2018 NFL Season

[Unocal]

Cowboys haven't won a SB, let alone played in an NFC-CG since 1995-96.

 

Dallas fans CANNOT be more insufferable than if we get a Pats rerun.

[PrimalCookie]

I would do anything to keep those refs as far away from the Texans as possible. Wow, that was awful.

[BBTV]

7 hours ago, Rockstar Matt said:

 

Definitely wasn’t a first, but maybe if Payton kept his challenges, and didn’t waste them on stupid challenges at that, they would been able to get that call right. 

 

And stop it.

 

The refs were terrible, but they were equally terrible to both teams.

 

So it’s the saints own fault that Dallas was handed an undeserved first down? Lololololol. 

[Kramerica Industries]

2 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said:

 

So it’s the saints own fault that Dallas was handed an undeserved first down? Lololololol. 

 

Officials make mistakes with the spot of the ball all the time. Sean Payton put himself in a position where, for 40 of the last 44 minutes of the game, he had no recourse for a bad call.

 

It's completely his fault. I was flabbergasted when he threw his second challenge flag on a play that wasn't worth it and with so much time left. It wasn't gonna be worth it. And he paid a big price in the end.

 

I also guess no one wants to acknowledge it would've been 4th-and-1, a go for it situation with a good chance of success, huh?

[B-Rich]

1 hour ago, Kramerica Industries said:

 

 I was flabbergasted when he threw his second challenge flag on a play that wasn't worth it and with so much time left. It wasn't gonna be worth it. And he paid a big price in the end.

 

The 2nd challenge actually made a LOT of sense; it was a pretty clear replay that was going to be overturned.

 

It was a 15 yard difference in location that took the Saints from a 3rd and long to a 1st and goal.

 

What he did with it afterwards was another story.

[Rockstar Matt]

4 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said:

 

So it’s the saints own fault that Dallas was handed an undeserved first down? Lololololol. 

 

Bad spot, clearly. But these refs were bad all night. 

 

To be fair to that particular official, he didn’t have the same angle that the broadcast did.

 

From his angle, he probably couldn’t even see Beasley’s knee hitting the ground (plus it didn’t hurt that Cole’s knee went down and came back off the turf fairly quickly).

 

Anyways, had Sean kept his challenges, they’d have been able to get that call right. 

[BBTV]

1 hour ago, Kramerica Industries said:

 

Officials make mistakes with the spot of the ball all the time. Sean Payton put himself in a position where, for 40 of the last 44 minutes of the game, he had no recourse for a bad call.

 

It's completely his fault. I was flabbergasted when he threw his second challenge flag on a play that wasn't worth it and with so much time left. It wasn't gonna be worth it. And he paid a big price in the end.

 

I also guess no one wants to acknowledge it would've been 4th-and-1, a go for it situation with a good chance of success, huh?

 

Thats absurd. A coach shouldn’t have to not challenge a potentially bad call because he may need to save it for an even worse bad call. 

 

I don’t know the circumstances of the first couple of challenges, and maybe they just weren’t worth it (there’s def cases where even if you win, nothing really changes) but a coach shouldn’t ever feel like he can’t challenge anything. 

 

Once youre out of challenges you can just be screwed.

 

I’m tired of the “bad calls are part of the game” line. Not in 2018 where there’s literally millions at stake on every game, contracts on the line, jobs at stake, etc. officiating should be perfect, and leave no doubt that there’s a level playing field. 

 

[Rockstar Matt]

4 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said:

I’m tired of the “bad calls are part of the game” line. Not in 2018 where there’s literally millions at stake on every game, contracts on the line, jobs at stake, etc. officiating should be perfect, and leave no doubt that there’s a level playing field. 

 

 

Well, that’s highly unrealistic. The officials are human and humans are prone to mistakes. 

 

What they should do instead is to simplify the rule book and thus leave less subjective interpretations of the rule book. 

 

And you definitely don’t want the refs calling a perfect game, otherwise they’d call offensive holding penalties basically every play of every game lol.

[BBTV]

Simplify the rule book definitely needs to happen. 

 

Maybe redefine holding, though I don’t know the technical current definition. 

 

Referees Ed are human, but we have 3D cameras and unofficial yellow lines and replay that can be accessed instantly. It’s very easy to get those types of things right. 

 

Review PI - both offensive and defensive. Review all personal fouls. Too much is on the line and these can literally change outcomes. 

[Rockstar Matt]

Oh yeah. Ball placement should never be an issue in today’s game. 

 

We could have a small sensor in every football and we’d know exactly where the ball was on out bounds plays, when crossing the goal line, on good field goals tries (especially when going over the goal posts), and etc.

 

I wouldn’t want more on the field reviews though. I’d rather the officials have several  off the field refs with access to all of the cameras being able to make real-time adjustments when needed. 

[Kramerica Industries]

1 hour ago, B-Rich said:

 

The 2nd challenge actually made a LOT of sense; it was a pretty clear replay that was going to be overturned.

 

It was a 15 yard difference in location that took the Saints from a 3rd and long to a 1st and goal.

 

What he did with it afterwards was another story.

 

Disagree completely. It was a first down play that the incompletion-turned catch-and-fumble occurred on. Worst case scenario, you have 2nd-and-10 from the 22. But if you want to argue that it looked clearly like a catch and a fumble (which the referee and replay crew obviously agreed upon review), you're still dealing with that Payton already used his first challenge, meaning he only has one left for the rest of the game, and there were still 11 minutes to play in the 2nd quarter. In that situation, the challenge isn't worth it. You've already shot one bullet (at the behest of a receiver, not the replay crew, and on a play that, yes, would've been a first down if ruled a catch but still well inside your own half of the field and only about halfway through the first quarter) and now you're shooting your other one and leaving yourself exposed for the entire rest of the game. 

 

There was the Beasley play, but there was also a ruled catch by Amari Cooper earlier that clearly was a drop but, well, without any challenges, nothing could be done about it (and that was a 3rd down conversion as well). That drive led to a field goal. Even though it was in the second quarter, you could argue forcing a 4th down punt rather than allowing a first down into field goal range is worth that last challenge. Would not disagree, even if the same general risk of leaving yourself exposed exists. You're actively taking (probable) points off the board for Dallas there, and that's always worth a challenge I would think.

 

Fact is - the Saints (generally) don't struggle to score points. Certainly it's not something they're going to concern themselves about during a game. So whether it's first-and-goal or 2nd-and-10 from the 22, in that situation, why does it concern you? 2nd-and-10 isn't an impossible situation to overcome. With that one challenge and that's it, that's not worth using it on. You've already got a field goal in your backpocket. Have to be smarter with challenges vis-a-vis situational awareness there. I was agape at that challenge knowing what it meant going forward for New Orleans. Was really surprised Payton opted to leave himself that exposed. Sometimes you get away with it, sometimes you don't. When you don't, you really end up looking foolish.

 

1 hour ago, BringBackTheVet said:

Thats absurd. A coach shouldn’t have to not challenge a potentially bad call because he may need to save it for an even worse bad call. 

 

I don’t know the circumstances of the first couple of challenges, and maybe they just weren’t worth it (there’s def cases where even if you win, nothing really changes) but a coach shouldn’t ever feel like he can’t challenge anything. 

 

Once youre out of challenges you can just be screwed.

 

I’m tired of the “bad calls are part of the game” line. Not in 2018 where there’s literally millions at stake on every game, contracts on the line, jobs at stake, etc. officiating should be perfect, and leave no doubt that there’s a level playing field. 

 

I mean, if you want to argue that it's silly that we still have chains measuring the ball with respect to first downs in 2018, yeah, it's unbelievably silly. Not going to see me disagree with that. But as far as challenges go, well, that's simply part of the game as it's currently designed. I mean, do you want the NCAA system where every play is reviewed upstairs and there's multiple instances of reviews per game? College games take 3:30-4:00 hours to play. I can enjoy the college game but that length of time is annoying. That's 30 minutes to an hour longer than the average NFL game. I don't think anyone wants that. And, furthermore, scoring plays and turnovers are automatically reviewed now in the NFL. Replay technology to team officials off-the-field are better than ever. It's not a surprise that challenge success rates are better now than they were 10-15 years ago. And if you win two challenges, you get a third one. 

 

That's a bit of a long way of saying that, yeah, managing your challenges is part of managing the game. Knowing which situations merit one more than others matters, and knowing that if you've only got one challenge for the rest of the game and it's still early in the second quarter and you're already in a scoring position, that challenging an incomplete pass knowing that, at best, you get a first down but that, regardless, you're done for the rest of the game is, well, a problem. Are some of these problems needlessly inflicted by the NFL? Yeah. Again, it's silly how outdated their ways of spotting the ball are. But those are the rules everyone plays under so, really, there's no excuses to be made on that. I'm sure we've all seen plenty of cases where someone's knee was down a quarter-second before reaching the ball forward trying get a first down/TD, and plenty of those times I'm sure we watched it in real-speed and thought "he got it/he didn't", and then the replay shows otherwise. If it can happen to us, it can happen to the officials down on the field as well. The side judge has the call in that situation. Beasley was facing the other way, the ball was hidden, and that made getting the angles difficult. I thought he got it at first; obviously he didn't. Either way, when you use your challenges early, that's the risk you run.

[dont care]

Looks like kareem hunt’s season is done now. That video isn’t as bad as ray rice’s but still has video evidence of him striking and kicking 2 women. If he hadn’t been restrained by his handlers who knows what could have happened.

[Gary]

And Hunt has been released by the Chiefs. Good Riddance. 

[FiddySicks]

I love how standards are so low at this point that people are actually praising the Chiefs for doing the bare minimum/“right thing”.

 

 

This his really is the worst possible timeline. 

[PrimalCookie]

Can you believe that people are actually saying that this is a “huge overreaction”? I guarantee that if this video was never made public, nothing would have been done at all.

 

I fully expect the Redskins or the Cowboys to swoop in within a week and sign him.

[Red Wolf]

9 minutes ago, Magic Dynasty said:

Can you believe that people are actually saying that this is a “huge overreaction”? I guarantee that if this video was never made public, nothing would have been done at all.

 

I fully expect the Redskins or the Cowboys to swoop in within a week and sign him.

Probably so. See: Ray Rice.

[masterchaoss]

I get Hunt being suspend for the rest of the year and he should be because it was defentaly bad, but him being cut seems like a over reaction to me, especially considering that according to the TMZ stroy she assaulted one of Kareems friends first and called him the N-word add to that no arrest was even made. I'm not saying he should have done it obviously he shouldn't have, I just don't believe that he should have been cut. And I am willing to bet that if he dose this to a man he isn't cut. 

[BBTV]

4 minutes ago, masterchaoss said:

 i am willing to bet that if he dose this to a man he isn't cut. 

 

Quoting this for posterity.

 

 

[JerseyJimmy]

So, uh... are the Chiefs still the favorites in the AFC after this? It's kind of funny how the script has flipped between the two conferences, actually; the AFC is a toss-up between like five different teams this year, while the NFC champ seems destined to be either the Saints or Rams.

 

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I just don't believe that he should have been cut. And i am willing to bet that if he dose this to a man he isn't cut. 

 

Nice thinly-veiled advocating for violence against women.

[Kaz]

10 minutes ago, masterchaoss said:

I get Hunt being suspend for the rest of the year and he should be because it was defentaly bad, but him being cut seems like a over reaction to me, especially considering that according to the TMZ stroy she assaulted one of Kareems friends first and called him the N-word add to that no arrest was even made. I'm not saying he should have done it obviously he shouldn't have, I just don't believe that he should have been cut. And I am willing to bet that if he dose this to a man he isn't cut. 

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