Mac the Knife

MLB Relocation? Naw...

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14 hours ago, Cardsblues02 said:

Relocate the Brewers to Chicago already. Half of their yearly attendance comes from Cubs fans anyway.


Not only are you terrible at math; but your hatred of the Brewers is so random and weird, it borders on creepy.

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5 hours ago, GDAWG said:

 

The Rangers are getting a new stadium right across from the old one and have a retractable roof

Yes, they are also getting Texas live, a entertainment pavilion, (with a Guy Fieri taco shop), and a new hotel. You can already see where it’ll be and some progress if you go to a game and look from home plate to first base side.

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35 minutes ago, NicDB said:


Not only are you terrible at math; but your hatred of the Brewers is so random and weird, it borders on creepy.

I know you might not believe this, but I don’t actually dislike the Brewers. I just like seeing you get angry about my random comments about the Brewers. The Brewers are just another NL team to me...but I know I can make you mad so I do it! If you can’t tell, I bring up the Brewers in most discussions that I know you will be a part of. I guess I should put it to an end, as it has maybe gone too far. Now back to the topic

29 minutes ago, KRZYBDGRZ said:

Yes, they are also getting Texas live, a entertainment pavilion, (with a Guy Fieri taco shop), and a new hotel. You can already see where it’ll be and some progress if you go to a game and look from home plate to first base side.

I’m looking forward to attending the current ballpark this week. I was kind of upset when I heard of them tearing it down. Maybe I’ll get some insight on why it needed to go first hand. I’m sure it will be HOT.

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23 minutes ago, Cardsblues02 said:

I know you might not believe this, but I don’t actually dislike the Brewers. I just like seeing you get angry about my random comments about the Brewers. The Brewers are just another NL team to me...but I know I can make you mad so I do it! If you can’t tell, I bring up the Brewers in most discussions that I know you will be a part of. I guess I should put it to an end, as it has maybe gone too far. Now back to the topic


So you became so butthurt over one off-hand remark I made months ago about Cardinals fans; that you obsessed over it to the point of dissecting my tastes and preemptively striking in threads you think I'll read?

That's... even creepier.  

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41 minutes ago, NicDB said:


So you became so butthurt over one off-hand remark I made months ago about Cardinals fans; that you obsessed over it to the point of dissecting my tastes and preemptively striking in threads you think I'll read?

That's... even creepier.  

Ok? I’m not the “butthurt” one (odd term). I am done with this conversation though. And I’ve made 6 or 7 posts joking about the Brewers. Hardly obsessing. The fact you keep falling for it is odd, and here you go again. I don’t think it’s possible to be creepy on CCSLC forums. 

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22 hours ago, LMU said:

I give the Braves a slight pass.  Turner was built on the cheap due to the Olympic budget so I could see why they'd want to abandon that instead of burning money for a disproportionate amount of maintenance for decades.

 

Remember - THIS is how Turner first looked when built.

 

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They don't get a pass from me. They never played baseball in the Olympic configuration and it was brought it up to solid MLB standards with numerous upgrades throughout the life of the park. They could still be playing there if they wanted to. It was not a discernibly worse experience than being at Jacobs Field or Coors Field. Atlanta's failure was, as far as I've been told, never creating adequate public transportation to the stadium or building up the neighborhood around the stadium to make it more of a destination for the Cobb County people to venture to. 

 

I get why they built a new stadium where they did. I just take issue with the very wasteful practice of moving after less than 20 years, on principle. 

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55 minutes ago, McCarthy said:

 

They don't get a pass from me. They never played baseball in the Olympic configuration and it was brought it up to solid MLB standards with numerous upgrades throughout the life of the park. They could still be playing there if they wanted to. It was not a discernibly worse experience than being at Jacobs Field or Coors Field. Atlanta's failure was, as far as I've been told, never creating adequate public transportation to the stadium or building up the neighborhood around the stadium to make it more of a destination for the Cobb County people to venture to. 

 

I get why they built a new stadium where they did. I just take issue with the very wasteful practice of moving after less than 20 years, on principle. 

In fairness, the old Turner is at least still up and running.

 

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7 minutes ago, LMU said:

In fairness, the old Turner is at least still up and running.

 

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Only after they got booted from the 25-year-old Georgia Dome. 

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21 hours ago, Digby said:

Given the way baseball's been trending on the whole these past couple of years, I don't quite understand how the relocation threat gambit would even work at this point.

 

20 hours ago, Wings said:

It's pretty much Portland, Sacramento, Las Vegas, San Antonio, Indianapolis, Nashville, Raleigh, Charlotte & Montreal. I just don't see it happening in those markets unless some billionaire builds their own damn ballpark. 

 

Wings inadvertently answered Digby's concern by listing enough markets interested in Major League Baseball that they could start a third league.  Three of these markets (San Antonio, Raleigh and Montreal) have either existing stadia capable of temporarily hosting MLB-level baseball right now, or in Raleigh's case could do so with less than a year's notice by upgrading the Durham Bulls Athletic Park (which was specifically constructed with an immediate upgrade to 30,000 seats in mind should it ever be necessary).  Billionaires building their own parks wouldn't be necessary - billionaires willing to throw $100-150 million apiece down on an annual basis for player payroll to launch a third Major League is all you'd need.  If they announced today, a 21st century version of the Continental League could have opening day in April 2020.

 

19 hours ago, CreamSoda said:

The Rockies and Coors Field recently signed a 30 year lease agreement.    Its already the third oldest NL park.

 

I've given the Rockies credit as an organization since the day the franchise was awarded - while the team has been hit-and-miss on the field over the past 26 years (God, has it been that long?), they have in many respects gone out of their way to establish and maintain traditions despite the pull of commercialism and novelty.  I felt the same way about the Expos, but not quite to the same extent.  Contrast the Rockies with the Marlins in terms of business practices and public relations; contrast the Expos and Royals to the Padres and Seattle Pilots (oh... wait...) and you'll see what I mean.

 

18 hours ago, goalieboy82 said:

i think the cities shouldn't pay for new stadiums.  if anything, upgrade them (or have MLB pay for the upgrades).  have a fund that each year a little bit of money from the league goes into it (say 5% of what each team makes, or the league) and when things like this happen the league can help pay for it. 

 

An MLB version of the NFL's "G-3" program would be optimal:  not a reserve, but a league-wide credit line from which MLB teams could tap under certain contingencies, solely for the purpose of making stadium improvements or replacements.  Virtually every NFL team took some advantage of the G-3 program during its run, financing a not insignificant portion of stadia that simply couldn't have been built without it... to play 9 home dates a year... sigh.

 

3 hours ago, Cardsblues02 said:

I’m looking forward to attending the current ballpark this week. I was kind of upset when I heard of them tearing it down. Maybe I’ll get some insight on why it needed to go first hand. I’m sure it will be HOT.

 

Look in your last sentence.  There's the insight.  They were stupid when they built the last place by not putting a retractable roof on it, and when they looked into retrofitting, they realized it'd cost so much that they might as well look into a new stadium.  That's the whole deal in a nutshell.

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4 hours ago, KRZYBDGRZ said:

Yes, they are also getting Texas live, a entertainment pavilion, (with a Guy Fieri taco shop), and a new hotel. You can already see where it’ll be and some progress if you go to a game and look from home plate to first base side.

 

People still care about Guy Fieri? 

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Speaking of... Oakland really doesn't deserve the A's.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Cardsblues02 said:

know you might not believe this, but I don’t actually dislike the Brewers. I just like seeing you get angry about my random comments about the Brewers. The Brewers are just another NL team to me...but I know I can make you mad so I do it! If you can’t tell, I bring up the Brewers in most discussions that I know you will be a part of. I guess I should put it to an end, as it has maybe gone too far. Now back to the topic

So you admit to trolling another member? Nah. That’s not cool. Stop it.

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4 minutes ago, Ice_Cap said:

So you admit to trolling another member? Nah. That’s not cool. Stop it.

Got it...apologizes to @NicDB. Took it too far. Won’t happen again.

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1 hour ago, LMU said:

Speaking of... Oakland really doesn't deserve the A's.

 

 

 

The story says that the objections include opposition to the use of public money, and concern about the disruption to an encampment of homeless people.  These are excellent reasons to oppose building a ballpark at the site in question.

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1 hour ago, GDAWG said:

 

People still care about Guy Fieri? 

F L A V O R T O W N

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48 minutes ago, Crabcake47 said:

F L A V O R T O W N

I'm all in for Flavortown getting an expansion team. 

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4 hours ago, GDAWG said:

 

People still care about Guy Fieri? 

 

I mean, he's offensive to my tastes in most things, but don't hate on Guy Fieri! Dude does tons of philanthropic works, including recently helping folks fighting / displaced by the wildfire out in Redding CA. And if he's still opening restaurants and all over Food Network, someone must still care.

 

5 hours ago, Mac the Knife said:

 

 

Wings inadvertently answered Digby's concern by listing enough markets interested in Major League Baseball that they could start a third league.  Three of these markets (San Antonio, Raleigh and Montreal) have either existing stadia capable of temporarily hosting MLB-level baseball right now, or in Raleigh's case could do so with less than a year's notice by upgrading the Durham Bulls Athletic Park (which was specifically constructed with an immediate upgrade to 30,000 seats in mind should it ever be necessary).  Billionaires building their own parks wouldn't be necessary - billionaires willing to throw $100-150 million apiece down on an annual basis for player payroll to launch a third Major League is all you'd need.  If they announced today, a 21st century version of the Continental League could have opening day in April 2020.

 

Eh, sort of. This doesn't really address my concern that the overall ceiling for baseball has lowered dramatically and still might be dropping. Would, say, Portland care about a baseball team more than that market cares about the Timbers? Do teams in Raleigh and San Antonio and San Jose elevate TV ratings back above the NBA's like the old days?

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20 minutes ago, Digby said:

Eh, sort of. This doesn't really address my concern that the overall ceiling for baseball has lowered dramatically and still might be dropping. Would, say, Portland care about a baseball team more than that market cares about the Timbers? Do teams in Raleigh and San Antonio and San Jose elevate TV ratings back above the NBA's like the old days?

 

I'm not sure what you're referring to as the 'overall ceiling.'  What you pose are open questions to which the answers for each very well may be "no," but the metrics are different now; no one would expect a Raleigh, Nashville or San Antonio team to boost national television ratings.  What expansion (or a third league) would do is produce a new wave of local television rights revenues that, invariably, would raise the bar for everyone not currently locked down into a long-term deal.

 

For example, a Raleigh area team would almost certainly have ownership involvement from Capital Broadcasting Co., which currently owns the Durham Bulls.  CBC would pay a handsome figure for the local television broadcast rights to the team, if for no other reason than to derive on-book revenue for the team and to drive up TV deals in other markets.  For example, if CBC paid the Raleigh Athletics $10 million a year for broadcast rights, the Pittsburgh Pirates could go to their local station network and say, "CBC just got $10 million a year for a market that's comparable to ours... what can you do for us?"

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22 hours ago, Cardsblues02 said:

Got it...apologizes to @NicDB. Took it too far. Won’t happen again.


mod edit

Edited by Ice_Cap
let's all just move on

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