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Angels tell Anaheim they're opting out of their lease on Angel Stadium

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Interesting.  Could just be a negotiating tactic to secure a better deal in Anaheim.  Or maybe they're on the move?

 

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Angels tell Anaheim they're opting out of their lease on Angel Stadium

 

By BILL SHAIKIN   OCT 16, 2018 | 12:35 PM

 

The Angels opted out of their lease with the city of Anaheim on Tuesday, setting the stage for another round of negotiations over whether the team remains in their longtime host city or finds a new home elsewhere in Southern California.

 

Angel Stadium, which opened in 1966, is the fourth-oldest ballpark in the major leagues, behind Boston’s Fenway Park, Chicago’s Wrigley Field and Dodger Stadium.

 

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What options would they have for a move? The location the Raiders and Chargers wanted? Are they just thinking of getting the cost of rent knocked off and some money for renovations instead? I think that makes more sense. 

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I totally see them trying to get a new stadium in LA.

Which makes things that much more interesting for the A's and Rays prospects, should either of them attempt to move.  Any chance either of them end up in Anaheim?

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The Angels say they're going to wait until after next month's election to talk to the mayor and city council and evaluate their options.

 

They also say that they're not set on leaving and aren't trying to pressure the city into renovations, to which I call bull :censored: because that's exactly what Arte Moreno has been trying to do from Day 1.

 

Look, I get it. Angel Stadium is the fourth oldest in baseball, and with another boom of stadiums, could stand to be majorly updated or replaced with a sparkly new one. However, Anaheim has been pretty hard line on this especially since Arte took over (and especially when we went through the whole "of Anaheim" fiasco). Not to mention with the current climate in California, I see no reason that Anaheim will give up anything. You look up and down the state and there just isn't public money going into stadiums anymore, and you look right up the freeway and see what the Rams (and Chargers) are building in Inglewood on their own dime, I just don't see what Arte thinks he's going to get done.

 

On the other hand, sure. Anaheim has bent over backwards in the past for Disney and Disneyland, but there's also been a bit more push and pull with that lately.

 

This either ends one of three ways:

1) They negotiate with the new council and Arte agrees to pay/build a brand new stadium

2) The new mayor/council lick Arte's boots and give him anything and everything he wants to "please, please, please, pleeeeaaasssseeeee don't leave"

3) The Angels are gone. Not to Tustin, not to any where else local. They're gone.

 

I do love the Angels. I do. I also hate Arte Moreno. I don't want the city to give in and let this guy that's bullied and diminished the city and dried this team out on a vine get what he wants and win. It would also crush every bit of me to see the Angels leave. But if they did, I know where to squarely put the blame, and its not a different target than I've already had. :censored: you, Arte.

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6 minutes ago, NicDB said:


Which makes things that much more interesting for the A's and Rays prospects, should either of them attempt to move.  Any chance either of them end up in Anaheim?

Not a chance. They're not gonna put a 3rd team in the LA market

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The Los Angeles Angels Formerly of Anaheim.

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1 minute ago, Dilbert said:

Not a chance. They're not gonna put a 3rd team in the LA market


That never stopped the NBA or NFL from loading more teams into the LA market than should reasonably be there.

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If the Angels ever did somehow move to LA proper (they won't), they're not putting the A's or Rays in Anaheim. And I could say with some pretty good certainty, we wouldn't want the Rays or A's in Anaheim.

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The Angels have nowhere to actually move to right now.  If they were to up and leave they'd be pulling a Raiders by sticking around for a few years but would be playing in front of 10,000 fans a night if they're lucky.  Plus, they have a 20 year/$3 billion TV deal.  You're not getting that in Portland.

 

The first two options that @Still MIGHTY laid out are the likely possibilities.  Disney is funneling tons of money into this election so I think they're banking on having a much more business-friendly city council to negotiate with, especially with the aftermath of the Downtown Disney hotel cancellation.  The sticking point with the Tait regime was that the city wanted more tax revenue from the team through the land value of the parking lots.  If the new regime backs off I could see either a renovation/new stadium project on the current site with the tax issue being a city concession.

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I will be stunned if the Angels leave Anaheim simply because no other market would give them a better option.

 

A stadium deal is sweet, but long-term it's your market size that matters the most, especially in a sport like baseball where so much of the revenue comes from local television.

 

I always hear people bring up how the Browns moving to Baltimore is a move that shouldn't have happened. From a fan's perspective this is an easy argument to make, but from a financial one, the move to Baltimore long term has made the franchise more valuable.

 

The lousy move from that time I don't understand is Bud Adams moving the Oilers from Houston to Tennessee. Regardless of what the stadium situation would have been in Houston, its the sixth largest metro area in the country. Where do you think you're going where you're getting a better situation than that?

 

For the last decade or so, the Texans have consistently been one of the ten most valuable teams in the NFL, while the Titans have been one of the ten least valuable teams in the NFL.

 

Once Houston built a new stadium and made it a level playing field with Nashville, it's not even close regarding which market you own an NFL team in.

 

It's much the same I see with Orange County. The only other market I could see matching Orange County would be Northern New Jersey. That will never happen because of the Mets and Yankees territory rights over the area. After that its a tossup between Portland, San Antonio, Austin and Charlotte as I see it. To a lesser extent Vancouver and Montreal. Possibly even Mexico City depending on the circumstances.

 

But in every case, I would much rather stay put in Orange County than take a chance on any of these places regardless of the stadium they were presenting.

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If this team moves to Las Vegas I'm done with all sports forever.

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is Montreal possible (return of the Expos).  maybe MLB does a Cleveland deal with Anaheim.  

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10 minutes ago, the admiral said:

If this team moves to Las Vegas I'm done with all sports forever.

From last week...

https://www.ktnv.com/news/tweets-about-mlb-stadium-replacing-rio-drive-internet-wild

 

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A pair of tweets by the closely-watched Vital Vegas Twitter account has set off a firestorm of speculation about the possibility of Major League Baseball coming to Las Vegas and a stadium being built where the Rio hotel-casino currently stands.

 

Vital Vegas, which is ran by Scott Roeben, also reported last month that Caesars Entertainment is hot to sell the off-Strip property and it appears the resort may be preparing for a sale by scaling back some of its offerings and laying off some of its employees.

 

Roeben said in an interview with KTNV that his sources close to the deal say the sale of the Rio will likely go through in the next few months. He said the success of the Golden Knights has given investors a reason to move on the deal.

 

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I see one of three things happening here ...

 

1) The Angels build a new stadium near the current park with city funding (partial, all, etc).

2) The Angels move to Downtown LA (is the convention center where State Farms Field was going to be built open?)

3) The Angels con a local LAC or OC city to build them a stadium or give them a sweetheart deal.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Angels did move to Downtown LA if Anaheim pursued a MLB team like the A's or Rays to play in a renovated or new park (at the Big A location).

 

21 minutes ago, dfwabel said:

 

Do you think Vegas could get another Bay Area team? The Vegas A's?

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1 hour ago, NicDB said:


That never stopped the NBA or NFL from loading more teams into the LA market than should reasonably be there.

Because the New York and Los Angeles markets are large enough that they can handle two teams. Thats why MLB, NFL, MLS, NBA have two clubs for those markets. The NHL has three in the New York market, which I honestly think is overkill but its working. Southern California has the Dodgers, and Angels  and even the Padres about 2 and half hours away in San Diego. Putting a fourth club in SoCal would be oversaturation of the market. There are also other markets in the US and Canada that deserve and could support a MLB club than adding a third club to Los Angeles.

 

The issue with Los Angeles in the NFL is that nobody in LA wanted the Chargers. They have embraced the Rams as they previously played in the market for years and they wanted the Raiders to return. Had the Raiders moved to LA instead of the Chargers both clubs would have thrived in LA and we could have seen the Chargers either stay in San Diego or head for Las Vegas.

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1 hour ago, pmoehrin said:

I always hear people bring up how the Browns moving to Baltimore is a move that shouldn't have happened.

 

You do?  What a profoundly dumb thing for anyone to say. 

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If the Angels do leave Anaheim, would the ballpark still be used for motorcross events and stuff like that?

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26 minutes ago, kimball said:

I see one of three things happening here ...

 

1) The Angels build a new stadium near the current park with city funding (partial, all, etc).

2) The Angels move to Downtown LA (is the convention center where State Farms Field was going to be built open?)

3) The Angels con a local LAC or OC city to build them a stadium or give them a sweetheart deal.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Angels did move to Downtown LA if Anaheim pursued a MLB team like the A's or Rays to play in a renovated or new park (at the Big A location).

 

 

Do you think Vegas could get another Bay Area team? The Vegas A's?

 

We can eliminate option 2 off the bat (no pun intended)...there's really no room in DTLA (particularly in that Staples/Convention Center/LA Live area), and the Dodgers play just outside of the western fringes of DTLA (essentially midway between DTLA and Hollywood), but still close enough for them to take issue having another team a just few miles away.  Hell, the area around Staples has been construction-hell for the last few years, just with five new highrises being built to the west of Staples, on 12th Street, between Figueroa and Flower Streets.

 

The last time this topic came up, I mentioned before that Ed Roski, after his City of Industry football stadium plan failed, tried to lure the Angels up the 57 freeway to a build a stadium complex on the Grand Crossing site, the closest Arte could perhaps ever get to Los Angeles proper, but still across the county line.  Of course, that in part was used in the last negotiations with Anaheim.

 

LMU properly stated why the Angels won't leave the L.A. market--Rupert Murdoch's annual $150 million check to Arte Moreno each spring.

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

 

You do?  What a profoundly dumb thing for anyone to say. 

 

Cleveland Browns, not St. Louis.

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1 hour ago, the admiral said:

If this team moves to Las Vegas I'm done with all sports forever.

 

Wait until America becomes one giant dystopian Las Vegas. 

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