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Angels tell Anaheim they're opting out of their lease on Angel Stadium

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44 minutes ago, LMU said:

Another difference: LA's a lot bigger and has a few dozen more suburbs.  As the map shows there's not a natural dividing line between the LA urban sprawl other than county jurisdiction lines.

 

By the same logic we should have the Carson Galaxy and, in a few years, the Inglewood Rams and Inglewood Chargers.

 

Anaheim's not even the largest city in Orange County.  It's acceptable as a location in that it's the most well known city in OC but it's certainly acceptable to have a Los Angeles team there.

 

Me coming from where I am, I see Anaheim separate from LA for that reason, it's the most known city in large part because of the Mighty Ducks or the Ducks.

 

But the points you made about the city sizes and the multiple locations, I get where the argument comes from.

 

It does feel weird to me to see an Anaheim team labeled as Los Angeles. But I understand the whole scheme a bit better now.

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The city of Anaheim was quite desperate to become "more well known", so they paid the Angels to take on their name.  Fortunately, that licensing deal has long since expired.

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1 hour ago, habsfan1 said:

It does feel weird to me to see an Anaheim team labeled as Los Angeles. 

Only because you’re used to it. The Los Angeles Rams moved to Anaheim in 1980 and no one cared that they kept the Los Angeles name. 

 

The NHL first began to be interested in Anaheim in the late 80s. The Minnesota North Stars proposed moving in the early 90s, and were planning on using the name “Los Angeles Stars.” 

 

That deal only got nixed because the NHL wanted that sweet, sweet expansion cheque from Disney. And Disney opted to name their team the “Mighty Ducks of Anaheim” to drum up publicity for the locale of one of their major resorts. 

 

Had the Los Angeles Stars relocation gone through, or had Disney just gone with “Los Angeles Mighty Ducks”? We’d likely think nothing of a team in Anaheim using the “Los Angeles” name. 

Again, the Rams did it for fourteen years and no one cared. 

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5 hours ago, habsfan1 said:

Why are they called the Los Angeles Angels, if they're in Anaheim?

 

Isn't the Dodgers LA's team?

 

 

At least they don't have that ridiculous Los Angeles of Anaheim name anymore.

The Pistons play in Auburn Hills, not Detroit. The Giants play in East Rutherford, New Jersey, not New York. The Angels are "Los Angeles" because that was their original name and they're part of the Greater LA Metro Area.

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17 hours ago, Ice_Cap said:

Only because you’re used to it. The Los Angeles Rams moved to Anaheim in 1980 and no one cared that they kept the Los Angeles name. 

 

The NHL first began to be interested in Anaheim in the late 80s. The Minnesota North Stars proposed moving in the early 90s, and were planning on using the name “Los Angeles Stars.” 

 

That deal only got nixed because the NHL wanted that sweet, sweet expansion cheque from Disney. And Disney opted to name their team the “Mighty Ducks of Anaheim” to drum up publicity for the locale of one of their major resorts. 

 

Had the Los Angeles Stars relocation gone through, or had Disney just gone with “Los Angeles Mighty Ducks”? We’d likely think nothing of a team in Anaheim using the “Los Angeles” name. 

Again, the Rams did it for fourteen years and no one cared. 

 

I'll start by saying I'm in favour of Anaheim being used as the geographical identifier and I think it can be after so many years of being used as one, but it is definitely a Disney creation.

 

Last season the Ducks put a bunch of old newspaper articles on their website ahead of this year's 25th anniversary from back when the team was announced. A few of the articles talk about what this new team will be called, including one where "Anaheim" is discussed with an Angels spokesperson being asked about it. I crudely cut and pasted it together here.

 

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Another article (which I linked to them above, they're all very interesting) talks to Eisner and then a Disney spokesperson after the team was conditionally approved but before it was official. One of the conditions of the official approval being Disney needing to get a deal done with an arena in Orange County/Southern California with the now-Honda Center being built for reasons unrelated to the Disney expansion team.

 

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(I like how [Disneyland] is added in before Matterhorn. Was the writer worried readers would think you could see it from the actual Matterhorn?)

 

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48 minutes ago, Quillz said:

The Pistons play in Auburn Hills, not Detroit.

They moved in with the Red Wings and came back downtown last year. RIP, home of the Pistons and almost the Whalers.

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Just now, the admiral said:

They moved in with the Red Wings and came back downtown last year. RIP, home of the Pistons and almost the Whalers.

 

Whuuuuuuuuuuuuuut?

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20 hours ago, Still MIGHTY said:

 

No, he's up. Which is partially why the Angels opted out now and said they'll negotiate next month with the new mayor and council.

 

Also, low key info, Disney kind of wanted out of that hotel anyway. They weren't that mad about having to cancel the project.

 

Any word if whether Disney will reopen the Downtown Disney shops that they closed to make way for that shelved hotel?

 

Would like to see Dave and Buster's or Buffalo Wild Wings take over the old ESPN Zone.

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8 hours ago, LMU said:

Another difference: LA's a lot bigger and has a few dozen more suburbs.  As the map shows there's not a natural dividing line between the LA urban sprawl other than county jurisdiction lines.

 

By the same logic we should have the Carson Galaxy and, in a few years, the Inglewood Rams and Inglewood Chargers.

 

Anaheim's not even the largest city in Orange County.  It's acceptable as a location in that it's the most well known city in OC but it's certainly acceptable to have a Los Angeles team there.

 

It is.

 

2 hours ago, neo_prankster said:

 

Any word if whether Disney will reopen the Downtown Disney shops that they closed to make way for that shelved hotel?

 

Would like to see Dave and Buster's or Buffalo Wild Wings take over the old ESPN Zone.

 

They already are. Earl of Sandwich has reopened. Rainforest Cafe said they’d like to reopen their location. No announced plans for the ESPN Zone or AMC Theaters they cleared out. Both are pretty unique structrues internally, so I’m quite curious what those become.

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8 minutes ago, Still MIGHTY said:

 

It is.

It just passed Santa Ana in the last census.  I was right at the time that the Angels adopted the name ?

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15 minutes ago, Still MIGHTY said:

No announced plans for the ESPN Zone or AMC Theaters they cleared out.

Are there a lot of fork-and-screen movie theaters (where you can eat a full meal at your seat during the movie) out there? The Orlando Downtown Disney/Disney Springs AMC has been like that for a few years, and it seems to be pretty popular. If they're already closed, it seems like an opportune time for construction.

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Studio Movie Grill would probably make some sense for the ESPN Zone location. I’d like that to reopen, though. That place was great. 

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1 hour ago, Cosmic said:

Are there a lot of fork-and-screen movie theaters (where you can eat a full meal at your seat during the movie) out there? The Orlando Downtown Disney/Disney Springs AMC has been like that for a few years, and it seems to be pretty popular. If they're already closed, it seems like an opportune time for construction.

 

I’m not sure about the Anaheim area in particular, but yeah, we have a bunch in south Orange County.

 

Its not a bad option, but I never found that AMC to be a great movie location anyway. If I’m going to Disney, I’m not seeing a movie. And if I’m seeing a movie, I’m not dealing with Disney.

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4 hours ago, Red Wolf said:

The main thing I learned from this article is how badly the NHL wanted to be in Nashville.

 

I'd always thought Hartford should've relocated to Nashville but the owners were not going to give up that expansion money. 

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8 hours ago, Still MIGHTY said:

 

I’m not sure about the Anaheim area in particular, but yeah, we have a bunch in south Orange County.

 

Its not a bad option, but I never found that AMC to be a great movie location anyway. If I’m going to Disney, I’m not seeing a movie. And if I’m seeing a movie, I’m not dealing with Disney.

The AMC's already confirmed to be relocating to the Garden Walk (although strangely I did go on a date at that Downtown Disney AMC a decade or so ago).

 

With the ESPN Zone, since even the one at LA Live, directly downstairs from the ESPN LA studio complex, went under there's no way that's going to come back in any capacity.

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I'm of the opinion that every one of these situations should be handled thusly...

 

Team:  "We're opting out of our lease."

 

City:

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20 hours ago, Ice_Cap said:

Only because you’re used to it. The Los Angeles Rams moved to Anaheim in 1980 and no one cared that they kept the Los Angeles name. 

 

The NHL first began to be interested in Anaheim in the late 80s. The Minnesota North Stars proposed moving in the early 90s, and were planning on using the name “Los Angeles Stars.” 

 

That deal only got nixed because the NHL wanted that sweet, sweet expansion cheque from Disney. And Disney opted to name their team the “Mighty Ducks of Anaheim” to drum up publicity for the locale of one of their major resorts. 

 

Had the Los Angeles Stars relocation gone through, or had Disney just gone with “Los Angeles Mighty Ducks”? We’d likely think nothing of a team in Anaheim using the “Los Angeles” name. 

Again, the Rams did it for fourteen years and no one cared. 

 

Pretty much without the magic of Walt Disney, Anaheim would be as known as any other suburb of LA.

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Yeah, I always thought it was just commonly accepted that the Mighty Ducks and then the Angels took on "Anaheim" as the geographic ID primarily because making it "Disneyland" would have been one step too far.

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