guest23 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 15 hours ago, WSU151 said: Some of the biggest companies in America receive massive taxpayer subsidies...GM, GE, Boeing, Apple, Dell, nearly every single bank after the crisis, Amazon, et al. The strength of the business model is pretty much a subjective take. Good luck telling Jeff Bezos his business model is not strong. I consider pure market based capitalism to be the pinnacle of successful business. If your profitability/survivability requires extensive external financial assistance from taxpayer funds, that's welfare plain and simple. Obviously Bezos et al as you have mentioned are not good at capitalism without government assistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Old School Fool said: You want to talk lifeless warehouse? Take a look at Tropicana Field. Oh Absolutely, same category. That place shouldn’t be celebrated either. But that at least has the shine of introducing an entirely new organization to the area. Globe Life Whatever was just a mostly dull in-betweener. 2 hours ago, SFGiants58 said: We're Giants fans. We should know exactly what noteworthy event happened there: Unfortunately for the Rangers, they were on the losing end of it. I meant FOR the Rangers 4 hours ago, Quillz said: The 2011 World Series was one of the more exciting ones in recent memory. Although the most notable game (6) didn't happen there. Two World Series losses and a random All Star Game over 20 years ago is about it. Is that really worth commemorating? The first interleague game thing is kinda cool, admittedly, but even that’s rather underwhelming if that’s your most memorable moment. Sucks the taxpayers had had to pay so much for that. I think the thing thing that really motivates me to feel this way is historically baseball stadiums have added so much to the story. The idea of these teams have grown over so much time in these buildings is part of the romanticism of the game, I feel. It’s like the old home that’s been in the family for generations that’s seen so much change. I know we don’t really live like that any more, but the idea that the Rangers treated GLP like a starter home on the taxpayer’s dime doesn’t sit well with me at all. I think ALL of these teams demanding new parks after two decades can go get :censored:ed. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebuy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I went to a game there three years ago. It really is a wonderful ballpark. I get why the Rangers are getting a new retractable dome though. The weather in DFW is absolutely brutal in the summer and it really hurt an otherwise great viewing experience. The patch is nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Zero Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 6 hours ago, Bucfan56 said: Sucks the taxpayers had had to pay so much for that. You do know that the citizens of Arlington voted 65-35 for the new park, right? The City paid of its portion of Cowboys Stadium early and with the vote just shifted the money to help build the new park. I guess the better question is what is your opinion on the logo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MN Wilkings Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 6 hours ago, Bucfan56 said: Oh Absolutely, same category. That place shouldn’t be celebrated either. But that at least has the shine of introducing an entirely new organization to the area. Globe Life Whatever was just a mostly dull in-betweener. I meant FOR the Rangers Two World Series losses and a random All Star Game over 20 years ago is about it. Is that really worth commemorating? The first interleague game thing is kinda cool, admittedly, but even that’s rather underwhelming if that’s your most memorable moment. Sucks the taxpayers had had to pay so much for that. I think the thing thing that really motivates me to feel this way is historically baseball stadiums have added so much to the story. The idea of these teams have grown over so much time in these buildings is part of the romanticism of the game, I feel. It’s like the old home that’s been in the family for generations that’s seen so much change. I know we don’t really live like that any more, but the idea that the Rangers treated GLP like a starter home on the taxpayer’s dime doesn’t sit well with me at all. I think ALL of these teams demanding new parks after two decades can go get :censored:ed. Kenny Rogers did throw a perfect game as a Ranger there in ‘94. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 How is that Fenway and Wrigley have lasted over a century, Dodger Stadium has lasted more than a half century, yet Turner Field opened in 1996 and is already abandoned? Is it purely cash grabs or are teams just really horrible at maintenance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 12 hours ago, Quillz said: How is that Fenway and Wrigley have lasted over a century, Dodger Stadium has lasted more than a half century, yet Turner Field opened in 1996 and is already abandoned? Is it purely cash grabs or are teams just really horrible at maintenance? The Braves weren't happy with the area around Turner Field but never did anything about it but pout. They said it was hard to drive to and not very accessible by public transportation, so they moved to a place that's harder to drive to and less accessible by public transportation. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 13 hours ago, Quillz said: How is that Fenway and Wrigley have lasted over a century, Dodger Stadium has lasted more than a half century, yet Turner Field opened in 1996 and is already abandoned? Is it purely cash grabs or are teams just really horrible at maintenance? Mostly historical significance and nowhere for a new park. Fenway is a POS that I, as someone with no emotional attachment to it, think needs to be replaced yesterday. Wrigley at at least has charm and a fun surrounding area, and is continuously renovated. It’s far from perfect, but I can’t imagine there’s any other option. I think the dodgers got really lucky with Dodger stadium. It’s just a great place to watch a game, and while getting there can be a chore, that’ll be the case anywhere in that area. I don’t know about their suite situation or if they have the same revenue streams as the modern parks, but as an average fan, I’ve really enjoyed taking in games there. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Well, the recent renovations added a lot of field-level seats (at the expense of some of the foul ground that helped make Dodger Stadium so pitcher-friendly) and I'm sure the suites were expanded/added to/fixed up. It's Southern California, there's no way they didn't work on the joint without developing new ways to extract large amounts of money from people. The area around Wrigley is gross now. They went too far and now it's a suburb on the Red Line. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I haven’t seen that area in around 8 years. I’ve Been to a bunch of games between 04-10, but not since then. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krz Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 19 hours ago, Perfect Zero said: You do know that the citizens of Arlington voted 65-35 for the new park, right? The City paid of its portion of Cowboys Stadium early and with the vote just shifted the money to help build the new park. I guess the better question is what is your opinion on the logo? Yes we wanted it to, lots of signs and such, stories on the news Excellent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxmc89 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 On 1/2/2019 at 10:08 AM, mr.negative15 said: Why build a retractable roof at all then? Just build a roof. Like, I know that sounds like a smart-ass comment but i'm honestly asking. I mean, they're putting a glass roof on the thing anyways, just keep it closed and climate controlled if that is the issue that is leading to attendance problems. Baseball is meant to be played outside, and they want the option of doing so when the weather is nice enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxmc89 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 On 1/2/2019 at 10:09 AM, kroywen said: Historic?! Bill Clinton was President, Kurt Cobain died, and OJ was arrested the year this place opened. Let's save that adjective for things that pre-date Zubaz shorts, please? It’s called sarcasm. On 1/2/2019 at 10:54 AM, joekono said: This is criminal. I'm 50 and I've actually seen teams now have two new stadiums built. Giants and Jets didn't need one, it was perfect for football. Why is the Superdome lasting so long then? Some of these stadiums never were even torn down i.e. Astrodome, CAA arena in NJ. Makes no sense sometimes but there's Wrigley, Fenway, Superdome etc. Not one cent should go to these greedy bastards or what are they gonna do...THREATEN TO MOVE THE TEAM. How did that work out for you Spanos? I didn't even know about the Rangers getting a new stadium, makes no sense. It makes a lot of sense. It gets hot and humid as hell in Texas in the summer and it rains a lot, so they really need a retractable roof. On 1/2/2019 at 10:20 PM, Old School Fool said: I have two thoughts on this. 1. The Rangers are getting a new stadium?! 2. Why? Because they made the mistake of building an outdoor stadium in a very hot and humid climate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 6 hours ago, rxmc89 said: Because they made the mistake 1) It was humid and hot in in Texas back in 1994. They couldn't figure this out then? 2) Why should the tax payers pay for the Rangers' boneheaded mistake? PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Texans don’t sound like very smart people. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krz Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Bucfan56 said: Texans don’t sound like very smart people. Woah there bud Excellent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxmc89 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 17 hours ago, Ice_Cap said: 1) It was humid and hot in in Texas back in 1994. They couldn't figure this out then? 2) Why should the tax payers pay for the Rangers' boneheaded mistake? 1. I guess not. 2. They voted for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, rxmc89 said: They voted for it. People vote against their best interests all the time. That this ridiculous proposition was even brought to vote is criminal. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ice_Cap said: People vote against their best interests all the time. I challenge you to name even one non-sports instance of this in the US. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said: I challenge you to name even one non-sports instance of this in the US. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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