NFL Playoffs: Super Bowl LIII

[TrueYankee26]

2 hours ago, sc49erfan15 said:

 

Irony, that's not.

It is ironic in a sense that they are not going to be in California anymore after a year but that is pro sports in North America, teams move all the time. Raiders will still have a giant fan presence in California anyway.

[TrueYankee26]

57 minutes ago, rams80 said:

 

Maybe it dies when Bob Kraft dies and his congenital idiot of a son takes over.

Ask us Yankees fans, sometimes the boss's offspring ain't as good as the boss.

[See Red]

1 hour ago, Crabcake47 said:

I respect teams that win with defense and teams that can outscheme you offensively instead of “here star QB take this ball and chuck it somewhere”, but seeing a team steamroll an entire league for the better part of two decades with a west coast offense and sneakily good defense gets boring and not-fun.  

 

For what it's worth, they run an Erhardt-Perkins offense. They still run the offense installed by Weis, who comes from Parcells' coaching tree. At this point the difference is largely terminology but the influence of the E-P offense shows in their tendency to set things up with big, bruising backs like LeGarrette Blount and still employ a FB. 

 

I think their schemes are the one thing that's actually made their dominance a little more tolerable. Their willingness to adapt to their talent is amazing and has kept them ahead of a lot of the NFL trends. Their use of slot WRs made made 3-wide sets the norm in the NFL, they were the first to play out of the gun as often as they did, they were one of the first to go up-tempo but they've also played really slow.  There's games, weeks, seasons where they barely run the ball and there's others when they base everything off of the run. Then there were the years they went with 12 personnel and Gronk and Hernandez.

 

I think their dominance would be a lot worse if they were just running basically the same few plays with the same personnel all game like Peyton's Colts teams did for a decade.  At least the Patriots are more than just "we have a better QB than you so we'll just beat you this one way..."

[MJWalker45]

This title I was fine with the Patriots winning only because the Rams, in my opinion, shouldn't have been there. Had the Saints been playing I'd have been cheering whole heartedly for New Orleans. I couldn't do that for New England though. It's like rooting for Anakin vs the younlings.

[mcj882000]

I was cheering for the Rams but as the game progressed I was perfectly fine with the Patriots winning - in my opinion that was the most fitting outcome for the most boring Super Bowl ever played.

[infrared41]

48 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said:

I’d argue that doing it in the salary cap era is far more impressive - at least from a management standpoint. 

 

 

Fair point, but it doesn't change the fact that defenses were a lot tougher back then, etc. As I said before, each dynasty has to be judged by the era in which it took place. We could argue all day about this, but let's not. I'm not changing my position and I'm pretty sure you aren't changing yours. 

[Lights Out]

10 hours ago, Dolphins Dynasty said:

You know, an end to the Patriots' dynasty won't guarantee "parity". Just watch another team take their place and constantly dominate. This will all just run full course.

Unless the next great team's quarterback starts taking some convenient pay cuts like Brady always does, it will never be this bad again. Mahomes is already pretty much confirmed to get a record-breaking $200 million contract after next season, so it won't be the Chiefs.

[sc49erfan15]

1 hour ago, TrueYankee26 said:

It is ironic in a sense that they are not going to be in California anymore after a year but that is pro sports in North America, teams move all the time. Raiders will still have a giant fan presence in California anyway.

 

That is still coincidence, not irony.

[Lights Out]

1 hour ago, BringBackTheVet said:

 

I’d argue that doing it in the salary cap era is far more impressive - at least from a management standpoint. 

What people always ignore with this comparison is that the Niners' competition didn't have a salary cap either. The advantages of not having a salary cap applied just as much to the Giants' Big Blue Wrecking Crew and Joe Gibbs' Skins as it did to Montana's Niners.

[habsfan1]

[Sport]

2 hours ago, rams80 said:

 

Maybe it dies when Bob Kraft dies and his congenital idiot of a son takes over.

 

That's really our best hope. Also encouraging that every single Belichick underling has failed to try to recreate the magic somewhere else. 

 

21 minutes ago, Lights Out said:

Unless the next great team's quarterback starts taking some convenient pay cuts like Brady always does, it will never be this bad again. Mahomes is already pretty much confirmed to get a record-breaking $200 million contract after next season, so it won't be the Chiefs.

 

I was thinking about this last night. Brady's on a really friendly deal, but I'm skeptical that he's simply being loyal to the club and there's not some under the table thing going on after his career is over. What's stopping them from a handshake agreement that he gets a big-ass payout or a phony bologna front office job promising him an absurd amount when he retires? 

[monkeypower]

44 minutes ago, McCarthy said:

I was thinking about this last night. Brady's on a really friendly deal, but I'm skeptical that he's simply being loyal to the club and there's not some under the table thing going on after his career is over. What's stopping them from a handshake agreement that he gets a big-ass payout or a phony bologna front office job promising him an absurd amount when he retires? 

 

I seen this brought up in a few places where it seems it's more under the table as in the Patriots franchise has deals with companies Brady has some investment in, so he wets the beak on the back end.

 

That and Gisele is richer than he is, so it's not like he's the sole breadwinner for his family.

[BBTV]

1 hour ago, Lights Out said:

What people always ignore with this comparison is that the Niners' competition didn't have a salary cap either. The advantages of not having a salary cap applied just as much to the Giants' Big Blue Wrecking Crew and Joe Gibbs' Skins as it did to Montana's Niners.

 

Im not ignoring that - it’s just not relevant. The cap theoretically levels the field, when back them, some teams could do things that were well out of reach of the others. Look at baseball now - is winning repeatedly with a $200M payroll that impressive? Everyone else doesn’t have a cap, but they also don’t have the means. 

 

As as far as defenses being better, yeah - “defense wins championships” was true at one point, so teams built that way (well, the good ones anyway). Now you build to take advantage of the current state, and nobody has done it better - and within the confines of a cap to boot. 

 

 

[FiddySicks]

5 hours ago, dfwabel said:

So is Goff essentially now another version of Dak Prescott?  QB's who can look fantastic when their star RB is clearing the field and they acquire elite receivers who stretch the field.

 

Also, while just 24 and already signed his extension, have we seen the peak Todd Gurley and the decline has begun?
 

 

I fully expect the Rams to have a miserable season next year and end up 6-10. I feel like this was their best shot, and the Rams from yesterday is probably a lot more of what we’re going to see from them in the next few seasons. I’m thinking they may end up taking a path somewhat like the Cardinals and 49ers did after their Super Bowl losses. 

[BBTV]

I get he’s a young kid, but I don’t know if I’ve ever seen more of a “deer in headlights” look on a player than Goff last night. I don’t know him so maybe that’s just his look, but he seemed scared to death- like the game was moving at 500 MPH.  I’d expect a guy to rebound, but man did he seem like a little kid playing against men. 

 

That being said, he threw a great pass right before that final INT, and his receiver (cook?) simply didn’t haul it in. At first it looked like great D, but in reply, he should have caught it for a TD. 

[See Red]

Under McVay, the Rams break huddle really quickly so McVay can help Goff read the defense and make audibles as necessary before the communication cuts off at 15 seconds.  McVay basically holds Goff's hand. 

 

The Patriots sent in two plays at a time and switched to the second after McVay's comm. with Goff cut off, leaving Goff on his own to figure things out. 

 

If Goff can't figure out how to read a defense, the Rams are screwed. 

[IceCap]

 

[FiddySicks]

48 minutes ago, See Red said:

Under McVay, the Rams break huddle really quickly so McVay can help Goff read the defense and make audibles as necessary before the communication cuts off at 15 seconds.  McVay basically holds Goff's hand. 

 

The Patriots sent in two plays at a time and switched to the second after McVay's comm. with Goff cut off, leaving Goff on his own to figure things out. 

 

If Goff can't figure out how to read a defense, the Rams are screwed. 

 

I’ve read that before and I’m honestly not sure what to think about it. Part of me wants to praise it for being a clever workaround to the rules, but another part of me thinks it’s kind of cheap, and I almost feel like they’ll eventually modify that rule. Goff is probably toast if that happens because he had a lot of the same issues last night that he had under Fisher. 

 

I wonder how this all would’ve played out for the Rams had they picked Carson Wentz instead of Goff. Wentz has injury troubles, but when he’s actually out on the field he’s miles ahead of Goff IMO. 

[dfwabel]

1 hour ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

I fully expect the Rams to have a miserable season next year and end up 6-10. I feel like this was their best shot, and the Rams from yesterday is probably a lot more of what we’re going to see from them in the next few seasons. I’m thinking they may end up taking a path somewhat like the Cardinals and 49ers did after their Super Bowl losses. 

Their list of free agents is big, including Suh, Saffold, Fowler, and Easley

[Unocal]

So if Clemson lost to Alabama, perhaps Dee Ford stays onsides and Roby-Coleman gets the flag?