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The rules to the playoff should be simple:

1. Every conference champion gets an automatic playoff bid... and I mean EVERY conference, from the SEC to the Sun Belt. Like Geoff said, the games aren't played on paper. Who are we to just assume a LaTech or Arkansas State can't pull an upset?

2. Several at-larges from the top 25 (I assume the number would grow over the years).

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Why does everyone include at-large spots in their playoff proposals....then raise a stink when an at-large team wins the National Championship?

Why not just have a 4-team playoff with the four best teams (regardless of conference affiliation) and be done with it?

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Why does everyone include at-large spots in their playoff proposals....then raise a stink when an at-large team wins the National Championship?

Why not just have a 4-team playoff with the four best teams (regardless of conference affiliation) and be done with it?

A non champion team making it to the NCG with out a tourny is a problem.

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The rules to the playoff should be simple:

1. Every conference champion gets an automatic playoff bid... and I mean EVERY conference, from the SEC to the Sun Belt. Like Geoff said, the games aren't played on paper. Who are we to just assume a LaTech or Arkansas State can't pull an upset?

2. Several at-larges from the top 25 (I assume the number would grow over the years).

A Division 1A playoff should not expand past 16 teams IMO. Since some people are dead set against ending the tradtion of the bowl games, let those remain for teams that don't make the playoffs. With only 16 teams in the playoffs you'd have some pretty decent teams playing in the bowl games (which would pretty much become a football equivalent to the NIT). Theres already some crap teams getting into the low tier bowls now. Expanding the playoffs too much would then lower the bar for the teams playing in the "major bowls". I'm all for a Division 1A playoff, but at the same time I wouldn't want to see a 7-5 team playing in the Rose, Sugar, Orange, or Cotton bowls. Make the playoffs available to each conference champion & 5 at-large teams (or 6 at-large teams depending on when the C-USA/MWC merger actually happens).

But that's just my opinion on the matter. I sure others may disagree.

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Is it a difficult concept to grasp that the two best teams in a given season could both play in the same conference?

Well then I guess the issue of which of those teams is better will be settled or the field during the regular season then. Next issue please.

On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said:
You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now.
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Why does everyone include at-large spots in their playoff proposals....then raise a stink when an at-large team wins the National Championship?

The stink was raised because, after years of the SEC and their fans obsessing over conference championships, Alabama played for the national title without even getting to play for their conference championship - while the Big 12 champion Oklahoma State (with a BETTER resume) was left out in the cold. What's the point of having conferences if you can still be deemed NCG-worthy without even contending for your conference championship?

Not to mention, Alabama already lost in Tuscaloosa to LSU in the regular season. Apparently the "regular season is a playoff" argument applies to all conferences except the SEC?

Absolute hypocrisy at its finest... but sadly, not a surprise with the BC$ system.

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Why does everyone include at-large spots in their playoff proposals....then raise a stink when an at-large team wins the National Championship?

Why not just have a 4-team playoff with the four best teams (regardless of conference affiliation) and be done with it?

Because a 16-team playoff would require an at-large team to prove itself against four other playoff-caliber teams to win the championship. I don't buy the idea that the Butler's, George Mason's and VCU's of the college hoops world merely "survive" to the Final Four. If the so-called "power conference" teams were so great, they should have no problem "surviving" as well. All the whining about mid-majors making it deep in the playoffs/bowls comes from supporters of big-time schools who are butthurt about not seeing their teams playing in games they think its their birthright to see them in.

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Oklahoma State also lost to 6-7 Iowa State. A team that finished with a losing record. They only have themselves to blame for putting themselves in a position where they had to resort to comparing resumes.

And this is coming from a guy that was wanting Oklahoma State to play LSU.

A bunch of teams choked away their opportunities after Alabama lost to LSU. Undefeated Stanford lost by 20+ at home to Oregon. Oregon lost at home to USC. Boise State lost at home to TCU. Virginia Tech lost to Clemson in the ACC Championship. Houston lost in the Conference-USA championship game to Southern Miss. There's your "regular season is a playoff".

I've always been in the camp of "Have the two best teams play for the National Championship."....because logic dictates that it is very possible that the two best teams in the country can both be in the same conference. Why do you think that there's never been a stipulation requiring that the BCSNC be contested by two teams that won their conferences?

If you want to place blame on somebody....blame the Coaches' and Harris pollsters....especially those that aren't affiliated with the SEC. Alabama easily had more 2nd-place votes than Oklahoma State in the final poll. And that was despite Alabama not playing the final weekend, and OSU smoking Oklahoma. One would think that there's enough of an anti-SEC push outside the southeast that could have given OSU more votes, but there's a reason why it didn't happen. And the bowl games at least validated the pollsters....OSU would have lost had Stanford's kicker not gotten a case of the shanks (and still needed overtime to win), and Alabama killed LSU.

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Oklahoma State also lost to 6-7 Iowa State. A team that finished with a losing record. They only have themselves to blame for putting themselves in a position where they had to resort to comparing resumes.

On the road. In overtime. 24 hours after a school tragedy.

A bunch of teams choked away their opportunities after Alabama lost to LSU. Undefeated Stanford lost by 20+ at home to Oregon. Oregon lost at home to USC. Boise State lost at home to TCU. Virginia Tech lost to Clemson in the ACC Championship. Houston lost in the Conference-USA championship game to Southern Miss. There's your "regular season is a playoff".

If the rankings weren't subjective, you'd have a point.

I've always been in the camp of "Have the two best teams play for the National Championship."....because logic dictates that it is very possible that the two best teams in the country can both be in the same conference.

Statistically, it's an anomoly that the two best teams are in the same conference. You have 70-to-80 BCS schools. There's a good chance that at least 1 outside of your own conference is worthy of playing for a National Championship, and that's not even considering the smaller-confernce schools such as Boise, TCU, et al.

And the bowl games at least validated the pollsters....OSU would have lost had Stanford's kicker not gotten a case of the shanks (and still needed overtime to win), and Alabama killed LSU.

I don't know about that. Playing a team for the first time is a lot different than playing a team you just played 10 weeks earlier.

Because a 16-team playoff would require an at-large team to prove itself against four other playoff-caliber teams to win the championship. I don't buy the idea that the Butler's, George Mason's and VCU's of the college hoops world merely "survive" to the Final Four. If the so-called "power conference" teams were so great, they should have no problem "surviving" as well. All the whining about mid-majors making it deep in the playoffs/bowls comes from supporters of big-time schools who are butthurt about not seeing their teams playing in games they think its their birthright to see them in.

Exactly. Only the big power schools are hurt. Everyone else loves it when a smaller school beats the overwhelming favorite.

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And the bowl games at least validated the pollsters....OSU would have lost had Stanford's kicker not gotten a case of the shanks (and still needed overtime to win), and Alabama killed LSU.

Bowl Games don't validate or prove anything. "Will to win" is too much of a variable to make them accurate tests.

On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said:
You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now.
On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said:
Today, we are all otaku.

"The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert

POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010

The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy)

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Oklahoma State also lost to 6-7 Iowa State. A team that finished with a losing record. They only have themselves to blame for putting themselves in a position where they had to resort to comparing resumes.

On the road. In overtime. 24 hours after a school tragedy.

The plane crash is so overstated and not really relevant. The football players have little connection to a WBB coach. More relevant is that they blew a 17 point lead in the 2nd half.

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Oklahoma State also lost to 6-7 Iowa State. A team that finished with a losing record. They only have themselves to blame for putting themselves in a position where they had to resort to comparing resumes.

On the road. In overtime. 24 hours after a school tragedy.

The plane crash is so overstated and not really relevant. The football players have little connection to a WBB coach. More relevant is that they blew a 17 point lead in the 2nd half.

Except they interact every day in athletics facilities. No big deal. Plus it's more of a "That could have been us" dynamic.

The guy in the black sweater is OSU football player Jamie Blatnick.

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Oklahoma State also lost to 6-7 Iowa State. A team that finished with a losing record. They only have themselves to blame for putting themselves in a position where they had to resort to comparing resumes.

On the road. In overtime. 24 hours after a school tragedy.

The plane crash is so overstated and not really relevant. The football players have little connection to a WBB coach. More relevant is that they blew a 17 point lead in the 2nd half.

Except they interact every day in athletics facilities. No big deal. Plus it's more of a "That could have been us" dynamic.

The guy in the black sweater is OSU football player Jamie Blatnick.

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I agree. Plus, They had to fly right after they were told of the tragedy. Focus gone. Besides, i'm still a firm believer that undefeated does not equal better.

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Well... good. Rutgers doesn't belong in the Big Ten anyway and fits in much better with the ACC both culturally (now that they also have Pitt, Syracuse and BC) and academically.

Now that the Big Ten is at 12 teams, it makes no sense for them to expand for anyone not named Notre Dame, and even if that happens, there's no guarantee that they'll add another team. They did play with a lopsided number of members for the better part of two decades, after all.

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Well... good. Rutgers doesn't belong in the Big Ten anyway and fits in much better with the ACC both culturally (now that they also have Pitt, Syracuse and BC) and academically.

Now that the Big Ten is at 12 teams, it makes no sense for them to expand for anyone not named Notre Dame, and even if that happens, there's no guarantee that they'll add another team. They did play with a lopsided number of members for the better part of two decades, after all.

No, they'd jump to 14. Ask the MAC and SEC. 13 is a real pain in the arse to make work in the two-division setup.

On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said:
You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now.
On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said:
Today, we are all otaku.

"The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert

POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010

The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy)

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Hmm... good point. In that case, who would the Big Ten balance out Notre Dame with? The only way I see Texas being able to sell a move to the Big Ten to their alumni is if A&M and Oklahoma come with (since one or the other would just put the B1G back at square one).

Maybe Pitt (which is stomachable), or Maryland (not so much)?

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Hmm... good point. In that case, who would the Big Ten balance out Notre Dame with? The only way I see Texas being able to sell a move to the Big Ten to their alumni is if A&M and Oklahoma come with (since one or the other would just put the B1G back at square one).

Maybe Pitt (which is stomachable), or Maryland (not so much)?

It's been mentioned on a few occasions that the Big Ten has an interest in luring Georgia Tech away from the ACC. And Georgia Tech hasn't exactly tried to shoot down those rumors.

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