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20 minutes ago, sc49erfan15 said:

Well, since it's now out in the open...

 

http://www.aseaofred.com/liberty-to-make-major-conference-affiliation-announcement/

 

Liberty from the Big South to the Atlantic Sun in all sports except football.

 

That seems like a very lateral move for Liberty. Weren't they more comfortable in the Big South?

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22 minutes ago, Seadragon76 said:

 

That seems like a very lateral move for Liberty. Weren't they more comfortable in the Big South?

 

Liberty has wanted to go FBS for a long time. They announced their (football-only) move up to FBS as an independent in February 2017, with all other sports staying in the Big South. One of the Big South bylaws basically says "full members must participate in the Big South in all sports the Big South offers." As the Big South offers football, Liberty would not remain a full member of the Big South - only an associate member.

 

Only full members of the Big South can host conference championships, not associate members. Liberty wants to host championships and has some great facilities. The A-Sun was really their only option, no other conference seemed to want them. IMO (with possible Big South homerism) it's a downgrade for Liberty, but allows them to chase their FBS dragon (flames? dragon? get it LOL) while remaining a member in a conference that will presumably allow them to host championships. They're making some sacrifices in attempt to go to an FBS conference in all sports.

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Any chance Conference USA or the Sun Belt would reconsider taking them? Is it just the religious aspect? 

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5 minutes ago, Wings said:

Any chance Conference USA or the Sun Belt would reconsider taking them? Is it just the religious aspect? 

CUSA reportedly turned down $24M from Liberty in 2016

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15 minutes ago, Wings said:

Any chance Conference USA or the Sun Belt would reconsider taking them? Is it just the religious aspect? 

 

If Liberty football is somewhat successful in FBS, maybe. I think that's what they're banking on/hoping for.

 

I think there's something to be said that this is their only move in this decade or so of mass conference realignment. C-USA has taken ODU and UTSA from FCS, and the Sun Belt has taken App State, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, and Texas State from FCS. Liberty has more money than they know what to do with. What's keeping them from an FBS conference? You decide.

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1 hour ago, Wings said:

Any chance Conference USA or the Sun Belt would reconsider taking them? Is it just the religious aspect? 

 

Religious aspect, poor quality education in some very important fields, the fact they are a for profit dot com hiding behind technically non-profit status.

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41 minutes ago, rams80 said:

 

Religious aspect, poor quality education in some very important fields, the fact they are a for profit dot com hiding behind technically non-profit status.

Sort of the Grand Canyon of the east

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44 minutes ago, Wings said:

Sort of the Grand Canyon of the east

 

With a :censored: ton more money and Young Earth Creationism.

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8 hours ago, dfwabel said:

CUSA reportedly turned down $24M from Liberty in 2016

They offered big money (less than $24M) to the Sun Belt as well. Falwell Jr. then took to calling everybody in C-USA and the Sun Belt religious bigots. The fact that they hired the POS Baylor AD to be the head of their own athletics department is enough for me to root against them. 

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This still feels very lateral for them. If the goal is to get into an FBS conference, being in the Atlantic Sun isn't going to help them in the long run.

 

At least being an associate member of the Big South means that if the FBS experiment fails, they have a fall back option (they still technically would have this option in the Atlantic Sun as they have an alliance deal with the Big South that would put A-SUN members in the Big South for football).

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1 hour ago, Seadragon76 said:

This still feels very lateral for them. If the goal is to get into an FBS conference, being in the Atlantic Sun isn't going to help them in the long run.

 

At least being an associate member of the Big South means that if the FBS experiment fails, they have a fall back option (they still technically would have this option in the Atlantic Sun as they have an alliance deal with the Big South that would put A-SUN members in the Big South for football).

 

They wanted to explore their FBS football dreams and be able to host championships in other sports. The Big South wasn't allowing that. Liberty has been a conference powerhouse over the past 20ish years in Olympic sports and women's basketball. Those aren't the money makers, but hosting championships for those sports is important to them.

 

They're hoping to play FBS independent football for a few years and be successful enough that the Sun Belt or C-USA finally relents and accepts them. Will it happen? I have no idea. But whether they spend the meantime in the Big South or A-Sun is pretty inconsequential.

 

Travel is an issue - the closest A-Sun opponent (NJIT) is farther than the furthest Big South opponent (Charleston Southern), but apparently they'd rather host championships.

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40 minutes ago, sc49erfan15 said:

Travel is an issue - the closest A-Sun opponent (NJIT) is farther than the furthest Big South opponent (Charleston Southern), but apparently they'd rather host championships.

 

I believe you (this being a geography issue, and all), but this kind of surprises me.

 

Maybe it's because I don't really know who is in the A-Sun without having to look it up.

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2 hours ago, leopard88 said:

 

I believe you (this being a geography issue, and all), but this kind of surprises me.

 

Maybe it's because I don't really know who is in the A-Sun without having to look it up.

 

Also because the A-Sun is basically a revolving door. 

 

As of right now, it's a bunch of Florida teams (FGCU, Jacksonville, North Florida, Stetson), Kennesaw State (Atlanta), Lipscomb (Nashville), and NJIT because... reasons. North Alabama is also moving to the A-Sun. 

 

It seemed that the A-Sun was carving out some sort of geographical niche away from the SoCon/Big South (apart from NJIT) and abandoning the Carolinas/Virginia for FL/AL/TN/GA, but Liberty kinda proves that they'll pretty much take anyone, anywhere. 

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