rams80 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 And THIS is why I believe that the NCAA's transition rules should be reformed...take away the one-year ban for programs moving from FCS to FBS, and cut the D-II to D-I ban to 2 years. Seriously, people are gonna see this and think these schools moving up did something wrong. Umm...Burmy, the waiting period isn't a bad idea. There are a couple of HBCUs in fairly recent memory that thought they could hack the jump, but it turns out they couldn't. One of those is closed completely. There are other tirefires also lurking around the bottom reaches of Division I that probably should not have made the move, but did anyway. I don't think jumps should be made any easier than they already are. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadragon76 Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Hate to say it, but Rams is right here Burmy.It takes a lot for a school at the Division II level to jump up to the Division I level. Rams mentioned what went down with Morris Brown and Winston-Salem State was the last school that attempted a move to D-I only to abort and return to D-II.And it's not just D-I. McMurry tried to make the jump to D-II, but saw the writing on the wall money wise and went back down to D-III.If anything, the four year transition period makes sense. It give schools enough time to comply with the rules and regulations of Division I. If you can't make it, go back down to D-II, where you might feel like the competition is at your level. For anyone moving to Division II, it is a two year period, but after last year's circus of errors that resulted in many appeals, not many want to take that chance now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianoknight Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 In some of the lower divisions, I can understand why schools may wish to shuffle around from D-II, D-III, etc. At those levels, athletic programs and universities are less funded and they need to do what they can to keep the college's bank account healthy.But the transfer up from D-II to FCS, or then FCS to FBS, just seem much too big of a challenge for most schools to handle. When you look at some of the recent FBS jumps (App. State, Ga. Southern), they've tended to be fairly successful FCS schools, but they're essentially trading like-for-like by moving up to a lower tier FBS conference like the SunBelt or Conference USA. It's not like UMass is going to suddenly turn into the next Notre Dame, Alabama or Oklahoma. The ONLY way I see it making sense is that by bumping up to a mid-major conference, they gain a bigger pool of "blue bloods" to play against. A lot of the Power 5 conferences are moving away from scheduling FCS teams (the B1G has set a deadline for 2016), so moving into the low end of FBS would allow them to still play a team like Michigan and get a big pay day. When Nebraska played Southern Miss a few years ago, they originally moved the game from the USM campus to a neutral site, and then again to a home game in Lincoln. USM's athletic department felt they could make more money allowing Nebraska to pack in 90k+ fans and get only a visitor's cut of the take rather than trying to fill their 20k seat stadium in Hattiesburg.As we get more entrenched in the FBS playoff model and the Power 5 garnering more autonomy away from the NCAA, I can see there being a bigger push for FCS teams to jump up into the SunBelt, MAC, Mountain West, AAC and C-USA, before that option goes extinct and they're stuck. Quote 5th in NAT. TITLES | 2nd in CONF. TITLES | 5th in HEISMAN | 7th in DRAFTS | 8th in ALL-AMER | 7th in WINS | 4th in BOWLS | 1st in SELLOUTS | 1st GAMEDAY SIGN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burmy Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 I see where you're coming from...but postseason bans just look (and feel) like they're punishing the teams when they did nothing wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 They're partially designed to prevent terrible post-season mismatches. Would GaSou have been killed last year? Probably not. But keep in mind that in 2012, UTSA went 8-4 as a member of the WAC while transitioning up from FCS with wins over two D2 schools, two FCS schools, a Texas State squad also transitioning up to FBS, a 1-11 Idaho squad, a 1-11 New Mexico State squad, and a 2-11 South Alabama team.Think of where an 8-4 WAC team would have landed before and 2012 UTSA would have likely been beaten senseless in their bowl. Quote Athletic Director: KTU Blue Grassers Football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianoknight Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 They're partially designed to prevent terrible post-season mismatches. Would GaSou have been killed last year? Probably not. But keep in mind that in 2012, UTSA went 8-4 as a member of the WAC while transitioning up from FCS with wins over two D2 schools, two FCS schools, a Texas State squad also transitioning up to FBS, a 1-11 Idaho squad, a 1-11 New Mexico State squad, and a 2-11 South Alabama team.Think of where an 8-4 WAC team would have landed before and 2012 UTSA would have likely been beaten senseless in their bowl.That's exactly why the process for moving needs to be somewhat drawn out and involved. Otherwise, schools might consider dropping a level to build up their wins (and recruiting, etc), then transition back up. The relegation system found in most European soccer leagues just isn't feasible for college football. Quote 5th in NAT. TITLES | 2nd in CONF. TITLES | 5th in HEISMAN | 7th in DRAFTS | 8th in ALL-AMER | 7th in WINS | 4th in BOWLS | 1st in SELLOUTS | 1st GAMEDAY SIGN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzcut Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Independence is DEAD! Long live Independence: Yes, NJIT has found a home in the Atlantic Sun. Our long Independence in Basketball nightmare is over. Quote The CCSLC's resident Geelong Cats fan. Viva La Vida or Death And All His Friends. Sounds like something from a Rocky & Bullwinkle story arc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burmy Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Independence is DEAD! Long live Independence:Yes, NJIT has found a home in the Atlantic Sun. Our long Independence in Basketball nightmare is over.I'm happy they found a conference...but were the NEC's expectations too lofty for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadragon76 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Independence is DEAD! Long live Independence:Yes, NJIT has found a home in the Atlantic Sun. Our long Independence in Basketball nightmare is over.I'm happy they found a conference...but were the NEC's expectations too lofty for them?That's not the case... this is easily a marriage of convenience. NJIT needed a home and the Atlantic Sun were a raid or two away from death. This works out big time for both parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burmy Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Independence is DEAD! Long live Independence:Yes, NJIT has found a home in the Atlantic Sun. Our long Independence in Basketball nightmare is over.I'm happy they found a conference...but were the NEC's expectations too lofty for them?That's not the case... this is easily a marriage of convenience. NJIT needed a home and the Atlantic Sun were a raid or two away from death. This works out big time for both parties.Well, you can forget about any good rivalries forming now...the NEC would've been CHOCK-full of them.Here's hoping this move is only temporary and NJIT goes to where it belongs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Independence is DEAD! Long live Independence: Yes, NJIT has found a home in the Atlantic Sun. Our long Independence in Basketball nightmare is over.I'm happy they found a conference...but were the NEC's expectations too lofty for them? That's not the case... this is easily a marriage of convenience. NJIT needed a home and the Atlantic Sun were a raid or two away from death. This works out big time for both parties.Well, you can forget about any good rivalries forming now...the NEC would've been CHOCK-full of them. Here's hoping this move is only temporary and NJIT goes to where it belongs. Actually, Burmy, the NEC probably wouldn't want them because NJIT doesn't play football. To be honest, based on their status as a public school without football, their most compatible home would likely be the America East Conference. 1 Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 So long-time independent/headscratcher ("Why is a team in Jersey in the Great West?!") can thank a team barely out of the transition phase from Division II for them having a new home? lolFun fact, the Great West's website is still alive for some reason. Quote Athletic Director: KTU Blue Grassers Football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSUcelticsWON95 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 http://newsok.com/boren-big-12-should-strive-for-12-team-league/article/5429694I know it's just one AD talking of expansion, but this would be an interesting decision for the Big 12 to make. I know nothing is even close to being decided, but Oklahoma is a huge part of the Big 12, and they raise some interesting points. Conference realignment rumors are always fun, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 http://newsok.com/boren-big-12-should-strive-for-12-team-league/article/5429694I know it's just one AD talking of expansion, but this would be an interesting decision for the Big 12 to make. I know nothing is even close to being decided, but Oklahoma is a huge part of the Big 12, and they raise some interesting points. Conference realignment rumors are always fun, right? Actually, it was the university president.That said, it has been common knowledge that the Big XII had some of their membership visit Cincinnati in last December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001mark Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 They should just scoop up both UCF & USF while they can for a foothold in the Florida football factory. They won't, so don't worry though. Quote @2001mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadragon76 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 My take: BYU should be option number 1 no matter what.Yes, travel will be a little difficult. But, as of now, the Cougars are in the literal no man's land in terms of playoff hopes. Being in the Big 12 for football can easily give them a chance to compete for a New Year's Six game on a yearly basis. Plus, the Big XII is just going to ask for football membership so any issues on the 'We don't play on Sundays' front can be deflected.As for the other team... I think Cincinnati is a nice option. Gives West Virginia a nearby rival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burmy Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 My take: BYU should be option number 1 no matter what.Yes, travel will be a little difficult. But, as of now, the Cougars are in the literal no man's land in terms of playoff hopes. Being in the Big 12 for football can easily give them a chance to compete for a New Year's Six game on a yearly basis. Plus, the Big XII is just going to ask for football membership so any issues on the 'We don't play on Sundays' front can be deflected.As for the other team... I think Cincinnati is a nice option. Gives West Virginia a nearby rival.Heaven help us if we ever get a Seventh-Day Adventist college in Division I... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc49erfan15 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Coastal Carolina from Big South to Sun Belt in 2016-17As much as I hate Coastal, I really wish they would've stayed to preserve the Winthrop-Coastal rivalry. It's the premier basketball rivalry in the Big South.I fully expect the Big South to raid the A-Sun now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I could see Kennesaw State bringing the rest of their programs over and either (or both) Jacksonville or Stetson leaving the Pioneer and going scholarship. Both have been rumored with such a move. Quote Athletic Director: KTU Blue Grassers Football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadragon76 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I could see Kennesaw State bringing the rest of their programs over and either (or both) Jacksonville or Stetson leaving the Pioneer and going scholarship. Both have been rumored with such a move.I'd go with the second option largely because the A-Sun can't survive another raid at this point. Not to mention they've done a partnership with the SoCon for lacrosse... why not a partnership here and, in the case of the Big South, throw in Campbell from the Pioneer to boot?Now, you get a Big South with 5 current members (Campbell, Charleston Southern, Gardner-Webb, Liberty and Presbyterian) and 4 associate members (Jacksonville, Kennesaw State, Monmouth and Stetson) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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