NBA back to Seattle? NHL too?

[RedSox44]

Same post as the one I put in the 2011 NBA Season. For people wanting the Kings to be in Seattle, you will be disappointed. Apparently, the Maloofs and the city will combine to make the new arena in SacTown. Overall, this is excellent news for the NBA and will make expansion more possible. Also Sacramentoans won't pay taxes. Heres the Story: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/28/4297999/mayor-johnson-pressed-maloofs.html

Why do you want more expansion? The league's already watered-down enough as it is.

[pmoehrin]

It might be dualpurpose. The seats behind the baskets could obviously be removed, and notice that the first three rows of both sideliness are navy instead of purple. That could be to highlight the fact that they are movable (not sure why the rest of the far side is navy). Also, from the far sideline, it appears the first three rows are on a different pitch, which may show that they are on a removable platform.

Looks pretty dualpurpose to me. I can see a clear outline of where you would put a rink. The shape of the arena more mirrors a hockey rink then it does a basketball court which tells me again this is a dual purpose arena.

I don't know why they would make it dual purpose becasue there is basically zero chance of an NHL team coming to Sacramento and its far too big for a minor league team, but I'm not in the room when this happened and considering all the talks happened behind close doors highly unlikely either the city, the Kings or the NBA were interested in outside opinions so who knows.

The taxpayers are probably getting fleeced somehow but on the bright side at least they get to keep their team.

[TheOldRoman]

As long as having it hockey-equipped isn't to the detriment of the basketball set-up, there is no point in not doing it. Maybe they get a minor league team, maybe one of the other teams decides to play some preseason games there, maybe the Sacramento market grows so much that NHL Atlanta III moves there 20 years from now.

[dfwabel]

Again, if you read the proposal which possesses the illustration, you can see that it will have the mechanics to become an ice rink. It is a public doc on the city's web site.

The details of the tentative agreement will be there tomorrow as well so anyone can read through the details then and form a better opinion before March 6.

[rams80]

Same post as the one I put in the 2011 NBA Season. For people wanting the Kings to be in Seattle, you will be disappointed. Apparently, the Maloofs and the city will combine to make the new arena in SacTown. Overall, this is excellent news for the NBA and will make expansion more possible. Also Sacramentoans won't pay taxes. Heres the Story: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/28/4297999/mayor-johnson-pressed-maloofs.html

Same post as the one I put in the 2011 NBA Season. For people wanting the Kings to be in Seattle, you will be disappointed. Apparently, the Maloofs and the city will combine to make the new arena in SacTown. Overall, this is excellent news for the NBA and will make expansion more possible. Also Sacramentoans won't pay taxes. Heres the Story: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/28/4297999/mayor-johnson-pressed-maloofs.html

Same post as the one I put in the 2011 NBA Season. For people wanting the Kings to be in Seattle, you will be disappointed. Apparently, the Maloofs and the city will combine to make the new arena in SacTown. Overall, this is excellent news for the NBA and will make expansion more possible. Also Sacramentoans won't pay taxes. Heres the Story: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/28/4297999/mayor-johnson-pressed-maloofs.html

Same post as the one I put in the 2011 NBA Season. For people wanting the Kings to be in Seattle, you will be disappointed. Apparently, the Maloofs and the city will combine to make the new arena in SacTown. Overall, this is excellent news for the NBA and will make expansion more possible. Also Sacramentoans won't pay taxes. Heres the Story: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/28/4297999/mayor-johnson-pressed-maloofs.html

Same post as the one I put in the 2011 NBA Season. For people wanting the Kings to be in Seattle, you will be disappointed. Apparently, the Maloofs and the city will combine to make the new arena in SacTown. Overall, this is excellent news for the NBA and will make expansion more possible. Also Sacramentoans won't pay taxes. Heres the Story: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/28/4297999/mayor-johnson-pressed-maloofs.html

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More importantly we know this already, and you would have known we knew if you actually read threads before posting.

[FiddySicks]

I could be wrong, but I believe that the arena is being made into a dual purpose arena, and while they're setting it up so that they could potentially lay down an ice surface, it will be primarily used for concerts when not in use as a basketball arena. And actually, they may never admit this, but Sacramento wanted an arena for concerts even more than they want one for the Kings. Despite its size, there isn't a single venue in the Sacramento area that can accommodate large indoor concerts. Arco Gymnasium is not only a dump, but is an AWFUL layout in terms of potential non basketball events, and the closest full sized concert venue is the Sleep Train Ampatheatre up the road in Wheatland. IMO, the city of Sacramento was going to build some sort of concert venue regarless of the Kings situation, because they absolutely needed it. In some ways, this is the best of both worlds. Kings fans get to keep their team, and the city of Sacramento found someone dumb enough to foot the bill on part of a building they were probably going to build anyway.

[ninersdd]

I went to a Sharks-Canucks preseason game at Arco in 2002, and the layout for hockey is bad. Hopefully now the Sharks can play some preseason games again in Sactown.

[Gothamite]

It does look though that it's not dual purpose. Not that Sacramento has any chance of an NHL team, but it just seems silly to limit yourself just... "in case".

Agreed.

Brooklyn would have the Islanders for the asking, had Rattner designed an arena that could accommodate them. He chose expediency over versatility, and in so doing gave up a tremendous amount of programming content, which is all he ever wanted the Nets for anyway.

[dfwabel]

I could be wrong, but I believe that the arena is being made into a dual purpose arena, and while they're setting it up so that they could potentially lay down an ice surface, it will be primarily used for concerts when not in use as a basketball arena. And actually, they may never admit this, but Sacramento wanted an arena for concerts even more than they want one for the Kings. Despite its size, there isn't a single venue in the Sacramento area that can accommodate large indoor concerts. Arco Gymnasium is not only a dump, but is an AWFUL layout in terms of potential non basketball events, and the closest full sized concert venue is the Sleep Train Ampatheatre up the road in Wheatland. IMO, the city of Sacramento was going to build some sort of concert venue regarless of the Kings situation, because they absolutely needed it. In some ways, this is the best of both worlds. Kings fans get to keep their team, and the city of Sacramento found someone dumb enough to foot the bill on part of a building they were probably going to build anyway.

Remember AEG is putting up $60M to be the facility operator and booker. Getting events like "Disney on Ice" helps their bottom line more than the Kings and city. AEG has a ROI to achieve in managing the facility, hence the reason it is in the project along with the fact that ICON Venue Group, the facility planner who made the proposal to the city is a subsidiary of The Anschuetz Group, also the parent of AEG.

[DaytonBlue]

I bet it will be able to host ice events like BL Fieldhouse, FedExForum, AT&T Center, and TWC Arena do. One section of end zone seats will retract, so an 18K basketball arena will have 13K or so non-obstructed seats for ice setup, which is perfect for preseason hockey or a minor league team.

Maybe the Sharks could put their AHL team in their as part of this AHL moving west initiative many of the NHL Western teams want to do.

[dfwabel]

Full Sacramento ESC Term Sheet

From The Sacramento Bee

Among the new details released were plans for a privately-financed $25 million premium parking facility next to the arena; a $1 fee on every arena ticket that will be set aside for facility maintenance and operations; and terms of a 50-50 split on naming rights and luxury suite revenue between arena operator AEG and the Sacramento Kings. Kings co-owner George Maloof said there are "some things we still have to negotiate" on the deal, but that he is confident it will get done.

"Term sheets are not final deals, but there's enough in there that there's a roadmap to getting it done and that's our intention," Maloof told me. "It is our intention to get this done and stay in Sacramento."

Maloof would not say which parts of the term sheet still need negotiating. "There are things we need to figure out, which is typical of a term sheet," he said. "There will be things we have to figure out, but I'm sure we'll get it done."

However, Maloof did say his family will continue talking to AEG. Under the term sheet, the Kings and AEG would split 50-50 the naming rights deal and luxury suite revenue from the arena.

"We're going to sit with AEG and go through some things with them," he said. "There are things that are fair and other things we have to look at."

Maloof said the premium parking plan - which calls for arena developer David Taylor to build a 1,000-space facility close to the arena - "was a big deal, we need that."

"We're pretty satisfied (with that part of the term sheet)," he said.

Maloof said his family is also "pretty comfortable" with both a $1 ticket surcharge to pay for arena maintenance and a 5 percent ticket surcharge to be collected by the city. As reported on Wednesday, the city is being counted on to provide $255.53 million toward the city-owned project, most of it from either privatizing downtown parking or borrowing against future parking revenue. The Kings are being asked to provide $73.25 million toward the project upfront. The franchise will chip another $70 million over the next 30 years by allowing the city to collect that surcharge on Kings game tickets.

AEG will contribute $58.75 million to the deal in exchange for keeping much of the revenue from operating the arena. AEG will share part of its profits with the city.

Kevin Johnson just bent over the city and is waiting for the council to approve and buy the K/Y.

[WSU151]

There have been far worse public deals than this one.

[Kevin W.]

I wonder if we'll ever get to the point where Anschutz just buys out every major league team.

[bosrs1]

I bet it will be able to host ice events like BL Fieldhouse, FedExForum, AT&T Center, and TWC Arena do. One section of end zone seats will retract, so an 18K basketball arena will have 13K or so non-obstructed seats for ice setup, which is perfect for preseason hockey or a minor league team.

Maybe the Sharks could put their AHL team in their as part of this AHL moving west initiative many of the NHL Western teams want to do.

Problem is the Sharks have a pretty good working relationship with Worcester despite the distance. The Ducks however are definitely in the market for a new AHL team if the Sharks would permit the Ducks to put a team so close to them. If not there, the local sports guys are stirring the pot down in San Diego to try and get the Ducks AHL team brought to San Diego to become version 1003 of the Gulls.

[WSU151]

I bet it will be able to host ice events like BL Fieldhouse, FedExForum, AT&T Center, and TWC Arena do. One section of end zone seats will retract, so an 18K basketball arena will have 13K or so non-obstructed seats for ice setup, which is perfect for preseason hockey or a minor league team.

Maybe the Sharks could put their AHL team in their as part of this AHL moving west initiative many of the NHL Western teams want to do.

Problem is the Sharks have a pretty good working relationship with Worchester despite the distance.

Hopefully you don't call them the Worchester Sharks.

Worcester (no h), MA. Pronounced Woostah.

[FiddySicks]

Get out of here. Really?

[The_Admiral]

It's not "woo," but it's hard to write out without IPA. It's the "oo" sound in "look," basically. You don't have to drop the R, that's just the New England accent kicking in.

[lightning25]

It's not "woo," but it's hard to write out without IPA. It's the "oo" sound in "look," basically. You don't have to drop the R, that's just the New England accent kicking in.

Exactly. Same way with "Gloucester".

[bosrs1]

I bet it will be able to host ice events like BL Fieldhouse, FedExForum, AT&T Center, and TWC Arena do. One section of end zone seats will retract, so an 18K basketball arena will have 13K or so non-obstructed seats for ice setup, which is perfect for preseason hockey or a minor league team.

Maybe the Sharks could put their AHL team in their as part of this AHL moving west initiative many of the NHL Western teams want to do.

Problem is the Sharks have a pretty good working relationship with Worchester despite the distance.

Hopefully you don't call them the Worchester Sharks.

Worcester (no h), MA. Pronounced Woostah.

D'oh. Still working on that one. It took me ten years to say Haverhill correctly. And don't get me started on Reading... my cousins and I always debate that one whenever I'm back there.

[Sodboy13]

Problem is the Sharks have a pretty good working relationship with Worchester despite the distance. The Ducks however are definitely in the market for a new AHL team if the Sharks would permit the Ducks to put a team so close to them. If not there, the local sports guys are stirring the pot down in San Diego to try and get the Ducks AHL team brought to San Diego to become version 1003 of the Gulls.

Oh, San Diego, Abbotsford, and the three Texas teams sure would make for a logistically delightful minor-league division.