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Ozzie Guillen

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He'll be back in the organization before 2016, mark it. I just don't know how yet. They can't give him the old standby sinecure of "goodwill ambassador" because his proclivity for verbally barfing on himself is the precise opposite of spreading goodwill. I could see him doing pre/post, maybe.

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As a Cuban American in Miami, I could not be more appalled at how the media and local politicians have manipulated his remarks in order to turn this into a firestorm that riles up the older generation. When I first read the statement, I knew exactly what he meant and many people in the exile community would be 'guilty' of making similar statements. "Fidel es un hijo de puta, pero es inteligente" (Fidel is a mother:censored:er, but he is smart) is a common statement you hear from the old timers. I've also been following him on Twitter for two years now and recall more than one occasion where he has gone after Chavez, so that helps it things in proper context.

With all that said, Ozzie should have never gone anywhere near the Castro/Chavez issue. That's the fastest way to alienate yourself with the two most powerful communities in Miami-Dade (Cubans and Venezuelans). Ask Magglio Ordonez.

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So Ozzie's stupid statement gets him a bigger suspension than Ryan Braun's cheating? Nice. Real friggin' nice! Way to show America what you believe in baseball. Cheating is good and saying something stupid about Castro in Miami, very bad!

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MLB did not suspend Ozzie, the Marlins did, and they did it hoping to take some heat off of him from the fans that were riled up. I agree Marlinfan that's how I read what he said too, and I am the biggest anti communist on this board. I personally think the Marlins will be dumb to fire Ozzie and this is just much ado about nothing.

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Ozzie is a good veteran clubhouse guy, a mediocre game strategist, and a public relations liability. If he's replaced before his contract elapses, it wouldn't be a terrible decision.

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As a Cuban American in Miami, I could not be more appalled at how the media and local politicians have manipulated his remarks in order to turn this into a firestorm that riles up the older generation.

That's about the size of it.

One part media opportunism, one part overly-sensitive community equals unjustified media firestorm. Ozzie is a moron, but he didn't deserve this one.

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He'll be back in the organization before 2016, mark it. I just don't know how yet. They can't give him the old standby sinecure of "goodwill ambassador" because his proclivity for verbally barfing on himself is the precise opposite of spreading goodwill. I could see him doing pre/post, maybe.

Well studio jobs like that are decided by the network, not the team, although the team might have veto power. I don't think Ozzie will be back in any regular way because he is going to eventually go down in flames in Miami, and he will say far worse before he is done. Hell, his degenerate sons haven't even gotten in on the fun yet! Just wait until they are tweeting intimate team secrets, accusing players of adultery, outing alcoholics in the clubhouse and personally insulting players' wives again. This is going to be Ozzie's last managerial gig, and his whole family (along with media lapdog Joe Cowley) are going to scorch the earth behind him.

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As a Cuban American in Miami, I could not be more appalled at how the media and local politicians have manipulated his remarks in order to turn this into a firestorm that riles up the older generation.

That's about the size of it.

One part media opportunism, one part overly-sensitive community equals unjustified media firestorm. Ozzie is a

moron, but he didn't deserve this one.

He didn't deserve to be fired, and he wasn't. A five game suspension is nothing in baseball. The Marlins had to do something to show concern.

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So Ozzie's stupid statement gets him a bigger suspension than Ryan Braun's cheating incident? Nice. Real friggin' nice!

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He'll be back in the organization before 2016, mark it. I just don't know how yet. They can't give him the old standby sinecure of "goodwill ambassador" because his proclivity for verbally barfing on himself is the precise opposite of spreading goodwill. I could see him doing pre/post, maybe.

Well studio jobs like that are decided by the network, not the team, although the team might have veto power.

The network is the team is the network, at least as far as CSN is concerned. If Reinsdorf is still alive by the time Ozzie is fired, he'll find a place for his prodigal imaginary son.

he is going to eventually go down in flames in Miami, and he will say far worse before he is done. Hell, his degenerate sons haven't even gotten in on the fun yet! Just wait until they are tweeting intimate team secrets, accusing players of adultery, outing alcoholics in the clubhouse and personally insulting players' wives again. This is going to be Ozzie's last managerial gig, and his whole family (along with media lapdog Joe Cowley) are going to scorch the earth behind him.

I agree with all this, especially the Media Lapdog Joe Cowley part.

What's your favorite Guillenling misadventure? I liked the time one's girlfriend slapped some guy at the Ozzie roast and started a fight.

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MLB did not suspend Ozzie, the Marlins did, and they did it hoping to take some heat off of him from the fans that were riled up. I agree Marlinfan that's how I read what he said too, and I am the biggest anti communist on this board. I personally think the Marlins will be dumb to fire Ozzie and this is just much ado about nothing.

Thank you for that information that I already knew. It still sends a horrible message that there is more punishment from a team about a stupid statement than there is about being caught cheating and following the rules of the game. Of course Milwaukee never would've actually suspended a player for not following the rules and there is no way that Bud Selig would suspend a Milwaukee player, but he is fine with a team suspending a manger for not being "P.C.".

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Just a few thoughts on Ozzie-gate...

There's really no way to say something good about Fidel Castro without looking really bad doing it. I don't really care in what context the comments were made or how he qualified the statement. There's nothing to "admire" about Fidel Castro. You say "yeah, he's awful, but he's tough and you gotta admire that" and I say "he lined people up and had them shot." I'm pretty sure my statement will cancel out yours every time.

Blame the media all you want. Somewhere in there, Ozzie Guillen stated that he admired Fidel Castro. You simply should not do that; in any context. You especially shouldn't do it in Miami. You really shouldn't do it anywhere. His comments weren't "Ozzie being Ozzie" and they shouldn't be so easily dismissed as such. What would happen here if someone said "the 9/11 terrorists were awful people, but you gotta admire the guts it took to fly those planes into the WTC?" This place would go ballistic. That is what would happen.

I'm not at all surprised to see Ozzie getting a bit of a free pass around here on this. Anytime something like this happens, we trip over each other in our rush to illustrate how we "get it." Then we proceed to eviscerate the media for "making a big deal out of nothing." It's what we do here, and in this case, we couldn't be more wrong in doing it. It is a big deal and it's not the media's fault.

Finally, I don't think he survives this. It's going to end up costing him his job. This one ain't going away anytime soon.

OK, take me to the proverbial woodshed. B)

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What's your favorite Guillenling misadventure? I liked the time one's girlfriend slapped some guy at the Ozzie roast and started a fight.

That was a good one. Among my favorites was them tweeting that players were irate at Ken Williams because he didn't fly to KC to watch the team in a double header when they were shorthanded due to a trade, accusing him of being out cheating on his wife while at a comedy club (!) at the time, despite the fact that he had been divorced for several months.

Also, a few weeks ago, Chuck "Mr. Peepers" Garfein reported Williams and Ozzie exchanged apologetic text messages. The sons took to twitter to call Garfein a lying piece of crap because Ozzie would never accept an apology from Williams, only to realize a few hours later that it actually did happen. They then said it was a vag move by Ozzie to make up with Williams.

Of course, the aforementioned attack of Mark Teahen's wife was a vintage Guillen moment. After being traded and subsequently ripped again by the sons on Twitter, Teahen tweeted his goal was to be so successful that his lowlife son could be an unemployed slob who lived off of his fame. The son responded by calling Teahen's wife ugly, saying she was built like a man and saying she has horrible acne, none of which are actually true. It was reported that one of the players on the team after that trade had to be restrained from kicking Oney's ass after that one. Good times.

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MLB did not suspend Ozzie, the Marlins did, and they did it hoping to take some heat off of him from the fans that were riled up. I agree Marlinfan that's how I read what he said too, and I am the biggest anti communist on this board. I personally think the Marlins will be dumb to fire Ozzie and this is just much ado about nothing.

Yeah I'm pretty much in the same opinion.

I don't think Ozzie said or did anything to deserve getting suspended but he po'd people who will throw a :censored: fit over anything that even the least bit praises Castro and for it they want blood.

So yeah I absolutely think the Marlins caved in to peer pressure on this and if there wasn't such a public outcry I highly doubt anything would have happened to Ozzie. I don't think anyone should be suspended for political statements even though its happened before and I'm sure it will happen again. We're talking about one of the most polarizing figures in the world and Ozzie just happened to have the bad luck of being in the area where you have Bay of Pigs survivors.

All I'll say regarding the Cuban exiles are anti-Fidel is that the enemey of my enemy is not necessairly my friend. I don't think there were many people who was actively anti-Fidel in Cuba at the time when he took power that were above doing anything that Fidel did to them.

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Ozzie just happened to have the bad luck of being in the area where you have Bay of Pigs survivors.

Um, he didn't exactly stumble into the wrong neighborhood...

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MLB did not suspend Ozzie, the Marlins did, and they did it hoping to take some heat off of him from the fans that were riled up. I agree Marlinfan that's how I read what he said too, and I am the biggest anti communist on this board. I personally think the Marlins will be dumb to fire Ozzie and this is just much ado about nothing.

Thank you for that information that I already knew. It still sends a horrible message that there is more punishment from a team about a stupid statement than there is about being caught cheating and following the rules of the game. Of course Milwaukee never would've actually suspended a player for not following the rules and there is no way that Bud Selig would suspend a Milwaukee player, but he is fine with a team suspending a manger for not being "P.C.".

I echo those sentiments; that's how I read Guillen's comments as well.

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My favorite Ozzie moment is when he ripped Magglio Ordonez after the White Sox dumped him.

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After this managerial gig is up I wouldn't be surprised to see Ozzie making regular appearances on the Worldwide Leader.

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It's amazing how easy it is to create a :censored: storm in the US. It is pretty admirable to survive as long as Fidel Castro has, especially given the attention the CIA was paying him in the 60s.

Saying that is not making Castro into an angel. But the guy stayed in power for 50 years with the world's biggest superpower looking over his shoulder, so he obviously did something to make people feel positive about him. Again that's not to say he was an angel.

However it's also worth comparing the quality of life in Cuba to the rest of the Carribean.

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It is pretty admirable to survive as long as Fidel Castro has

Osama Bin Laden took a long time to get capped for overseeing torture and murder. Did you admire him? When did the cockroach become a symbol of begrudging respect?

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It is pretty admirable to survive as long as Fidel Castro has

Osama Bin Laden took a long time to get capped for overseeing torture and murder. Did you admire him? When did the cockroach become a symbol of begrudging respect?

The two aren't the same thing. For a start, Castro didn't go into hiding. Secondly, he never got assassinated despite the best attempts of the CIA, and despite living in the shadow of his greatest enemy. Noone is ascribing any respect of his political beliefs in saying that. I think to have survived throughout the sixties, and beyond, when Castro was nearly as reviled in the US as Osama has been in the 00s and 10s, and whilst he was being targetted by the CIA is something of an achievement. I don't think anyone should be reviled for acknowledging that, and I don't think the media needed to create such a :censored: storm over this.

Yes Guillen says some undiplomatic, sometimes dumb, stuff, but the media doesn't need to keep rising to him either.

And the Florida-Cuban community would do well to get over its anti Castro paranoia. (Though I understand for, particularly, the older members of said community, that is not such an easy thing to do.)

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I don't think anyone should be suspended for political statements

You might want to think that one through again.

If someone triggers their inner-Marge Schott and proclaims Hitler was a great man, then yeah, they probably should be suspended.

There are some things you just don't say in public discourse.

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I don't think anyone should be suspended for political statements

You might want to think that one through again.

If someone triggers their inner-Marge Schott and proclaims Hitler was a great man, then yeah, they probably should be suspended.

There are some things you just don't say in public discourse.

There's a difference between being a political advocate for communism and a hate group such as the KKK or Nazis.

Yeah you can go over the line with political statements, but you take any aspect of freedom of speech to the most extreme point and your going to go over the line. I would think that just goes without saying.

And I won't no part of this discussion either. I made my statement and I stand by it. If people are going to start bringing up names like Hitler and Osama Bin Laden your going to lose context of what the situation is about and your going down a road I don't even want to get into.

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I don't think anyone should be suspended for political statements

You might want to think that one through again.

If someone triggers their inner-Marge Schott and proclaims Hitler was a great man, then yeah, they probably should be suspended.

There are some things you just don't say in public discourse.

There's a difference between being a political advocate for communism and a hate group such as the KKK or Nazis.

Yeah you can go over the line with political statements, but you take any aspect of freedom of speech to the most extreme point and your going to go over the line. I would think that just goes without saying.

And I won't no part of this discussion either. I made my statement and I stand by it. If people are going to start bringing up names like Hitler and Osama Bin Laden your going to lose context of what the situation is about and your going down a road I don't even want to get into.

I'm sorry. I didn't see the part where you set up a system that determines which political statement is better than another.

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But the guy stayed in power for 50 years with the world's biggest superpower looking over his shoulder, so he obviously did something to make people feel positive about him.

Saddam Hussein was in power for 25 years. Do you think he was he a swell guy that made people feel positive about him too?

People should not praise admirable qualities of despots.

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