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[NJTank]

Marlins suspend Ozzie for 5 games

[RedSox44]

charger77, on April 10, 2012 - 09:11, said:

CS85, on April 10, 2012 - 06:48, said:

So then what's the big deal?  He apologized to the press.  Everybody knows that this is what Ozzie is and what he's going to do, so are people worried that there's going to be a massive never-ending protest or something?

These things go away.  They always do.

You're absolutely right and in a few weeks this will be chalked up to Ozzie being Ozzie.

In a few weeks, we'll forget that this had even happened.

[Bucfan56]

So Ozzie Guillen has now been suspended for more games than he's managed so far. What a great start in Miami!

[slapshot]

It's funny to read comment boards with complaints about "Where's Freedom of Speech"?

Some people like to forget that while Ozzie has a right to be stupid, his bosses have a right to punish him accordingly if his comments adversely affect the business. In this case, he alienated a significant portion of the team's fan base, which can lead to loss of profits.

Freedom of Speech only means you can't be jailed or shot for what is said. It does not protect one from spouting disparaging remarks about one's bosses or their business.

Ozzie can have whatever political or social beliefs he wants. But when he does it representing himself as an employee of the Miami Marlins (or any other organization), he must he held accountable if his comments are against the team's beliefs or business practices.

[NJTank]

Its all in context, Ozzie Guillen made the statements while managing in the one city that would be angry with these comments. One thing for sure when he returns the Marlins better win fast and let the comments be burried otherwise his time in South Beach will be short. Though its just Ozzie being Ozzie so the fans should accept his appology and move on.

[Gothamite]

Yeah, and if people actually listened to the entire quote in context I'm not sure it would still have raised the same ruckus.

Whole lot of adu over nothing. Once he gets going, he'll certainly say plenty worth getting riled over.

[the admiral]

Yeah, this time around, Ozzie Guillen is neither a childhood hero of his fanbase nor does he have a creepy relationship with his team owner, so if he becomes a headache, he's not going to be a headache for years and years.

[NJTank]

the admiral, on April 10, 2012 - 13:40, said:

Yeah, this time around, Ozzie Guillen is neither a childhood hero of his fanbase nor does he have a creepy relationship with his team owner, so if he becomes a headache, he's not going to be a headache for years and years.

Yeah Ozzie sucked as manager on the South Side, he blew it they had a shot at 100 yeras of misery too.

[TheOldRoman]

NJTank, on April 10, 2012 - 15:03, said:

the admiral, on April 10, 2012 - 13:40, said:

Yeah, this time around, Ozzie Guillen is neither a childhood hero of his fanbase nor does he have a creepy relationship with his team owner, so if he becomes a headache, he's not going to be a headache for years and years.

Yeah Ozzie sucked as manager on the South Side, he blew it they had a shot at 100 yeras of misery too.

Ozzie got progressively worse as a manager.  He did great things in 2004 and 2005.  Trusting his starters went a long, long way in turning around Jon Garland's and Jose Contreras' career.  He made all the right moves in 2005, but then again, that was a year that seemingly everything went right.  For as bad as he was afterwards, that team doesn't win the championship without Ozzie as manager.  Winning a championship really changed his managing.  He always was in the LaRussa school of lefty-righty matchups, but he went overboard from 2006 on.  I believe the World Series inflated his ego so much that he figured he never could be wrong.  He constantly made head-scratching moves (from insisting certain players play to bullpen usage) over the last several years, including a few losses each year which came because he blew threw the bullpen early, requiring the last guy to go longer than anticipated.  

Above all, he mentally checked-out last year.  He not only quit on the team, but I believe made moves specifically as a big FU to the GM for giving him certain players.  He gleefully left a sub-.200 hitter in the four hole for much of the year.  He didn't care if the team lost, and maybe even wanted them to lose.  Then, amidst it all, complained openly that he wanted a new contract in the midst of such a horrible season.  Everybody in baseball knew the Marlins had colluded and spoken to Ozzie, and I believe last year was pretty much one big parting shot to hasten his arrival in Miami.

[NJTank]

The White Sox will miss Ozzie, you can mark it down. In 20 years he will be as loved as Mike Ditka.

[the admiral]

He'll be back in the organization before 2016, mark it. I just don't know how yet. They can't give him the old standby sinecure of "goodwill ambassador" because his proclivity for verbally barfing on himself is the precise opposite of spreading goodwill. I could see him doing pre/post, maybe.

[marlinfan]

As a Cuban American in Miami, I could not be more appalled at how the media and local politicians have manipulated his remarks in order to turn this into a firestorm that riles up the older generation. When I first read the statement, I knew exactly what he meant and many people in the exile community would be 'guilty' of making similar statements. "Fidel es un hijo de puta, pero es inteligente" (Fidel is a mother:censored:er, but he is smart) is a common statement you hear from the old timers. I've also been following him on Twitter for two years now and recall more than one occasion where he has gone after Chavez, so that helps it things in proper context.

With all that said, Ozzie should have never gone anywhere near the Castro/Chavez issue. That's the fastest way to alienate yourself with the two most powerful communities in Miami-Dade (Cubans and Venezuelans). Ask Magglio Ordonez.

[oddball]

So Ozzie's stupid statement gets him a bigger suspension than Ryan Braun's cheating? Nice. Real friggin' nice! Way to show America what you believe in baseball. Cheating is good and saying something stupid about Castro in Miami, very bad!

[NJTank]

MLB did not suspend Ozzie, the Marlins did, and they did it hoping to take some heat off of him from the fans that were riled up. I agree Marlinfan that's how I read what he said too, and I am the biggest anti communist on this board. I personally think the Marlins will be dumb to fire Ozzie and this is just much ado about nothing.

[the admiral]

Ozzie is a good veteran clubhouse guy, a mediocre game strategist, and a public relations liability. If he's replaced before his contract elapses, it wouldn't be a terrible decision.

[Gothamite]

marlinfan, on April 10, 2012 - 20:49, said:

As a Cuban American in Miami, I could not be more appalled at how the media and local politicians have manipulated his remarks in order to turn this into a firestorm that riles up the older generation.

That's about the size of it.

One part media opportunism, one part overly-sensitive community equals unjustified media firestorm. Ozzie is a moron, but he didn't deserve this one.

[TheOldRoman]

the admiral, on April 10, 2012 - 20:20, said:

He'll be back in the organization before 2016, mark it. I just don't know how yet. They can't give him the old standby sinecure of "goodwill ambassador" because his proclivity for verbally barfing on himself is the precise opposite of spreading goodwill. I could see him doing pre/post, maybe.

Well studio jobs like that are decided by the network, not the team, although the team might have veto power.  I don't think Ozzie will be back in any regular way because he is going to eventually go down in flames in Miami, and he will say far worse before he is done.  Hell, his degenerate sons haven't even gotten in on the fun yet! Just wait until they are tweeting intimate team secrets, accusing players of adultery, outing alcoholics in the clubhouse and personally insulting players' wives again.  This is going to be Ozzie's last managerial gig, and his whole family (along with media lapdog Joe Cowley) are going to scorch the earth behind him.

[WSU151]

Gothamite, on April 10, 2012 - 22:12, said:

marlinfan, on April 10, 2012 - 20:49, said:

As a Cuban American in Miami, I could not be more appalled at how the media and local politicians have manipulated his remarks in order to turn this into a firestorm that riles up the older generation.

That's about the size of it.

One part media opportunism, one part overly-sensitive community equals unjustified media firestorm. Ozzie is a
moron, but he didn't deserve this one.

He didn't deserve to be fired, and he wasn't. A five game suspension is nothing in baseball.  The Marlins had to do something to show concern.

[dbadefense1990]

oddball, on April 10, 2012 - 21:00, said:

So Ozzie's stupid statement gets him a bigger suspension than Ryan Braun's cheating incident? Nice. Real friggin' nice!

[the admiral]

TheOldRoman, on April 10, 2012 - 22:30, said:

the admiral, on April 10, 2012 - 20:20, said:

He'll be back in the organization before 2016, mark it. I just don't know how yet. They can't give him the old standby sinecure of "goodwill ambassador" because his proclivity for verbally barfing on himself is the precise opposite of spreading goodwill. I could see him doing pre/post, maybe.

Well studio jobs like that are decided by the network, not the team, although the team might have veto power.

The network is the team is the network, at least as far as CSN is concerned. If Reinsdorf is still alive by the time Ozzie is fired, he'll find a place for his prodigal imaginary son.

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he is going to eventually go down in flames in Miami, and he will say far worse before he is done.  Hell, his degenerate sons haven't even gotten in on the fun yet! Just wait until they are tweeting intimate team secrets, accusing players of adultery, outing alcoholics in the clubhouse and personally insulting players' wives again.  This is going to be Ozzie's last managerial gig, and his whole family (along with media lapdog Joe Cowley) are going to scorch the earth behind him.

I agree with all this, especially the Media Lapdog Joe Cowley part.

What's your favorite Guillenling misadventure? I liked the time one's girlfriend slapped some guy at the Ozzie roast and started a fight.