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16 hours ago, monkeypower said:

 

Okay, on second thought I'm not correct about the grey thing, but I do think I'm somewhat correct about Luke wanting to move on from the Jedi Order and their philosophy with him and Rey.

 

(For the unaware, he's part of the Lucasfilm Story Group, i.e. the people in charge of the canon, and I'm not entirely sure of his position but he's somewhat of a social media figure for them. His word is pretty much Star Wars gospel.)

 

But the quote from the trailer could mean any sort of thing and could very well be cut off.

Honestly, it feels like misdirection to me.  He's setting up this strawman of a "gray jedi", when people are really saying that the jedi will end and Luke will found a new type of order.  In the past two movies, they've set up the idea that other non-jedi people can use the Force in a non-evil way.  The star destroyer captain that Kylo Ren killed at the beginning of TFA was a member of the Church of the Force, and there was at least the blind dude in Rogue One who was sensitive to the Force and guarded the temple, but was not a jedi. Interviews before TFA specifically mentioned that the trilogy was going to explore the concept of balance in the Force and what that means. Yeah, you're either a jedi or not, but they have gone out of their way to set up the idea that there are "good" Force users/believers who are not jedi.  There's no such thing as a vegetarian who eats meat, but there are pescatarians, vegans, etc.

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That "Jedi must end" line didn't sound like Hamil at all. I'm in the camp that it's villain dialogue placed over a shot of Luke looking somber in the name of trailer drama.

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1 hour ago, Cosmic said:

Honestly, it feels like misdirection to me.  He's setting up this strawman of a "gray jedi", when people are really saying that the jedi will end and Luke will found a new type of order.  In the past two movies, they've set up the idea that other non-jedi people can use the Force in a non-evil way.  The star destroyer captain that Kylo Ren killed at the beginning of TFA was a member of the Church of the Force, and there was at least the blind dude in Rogue One who was sensitive to the Force and guarded the temple, but was not a jedi. Interviews before TFA specifically mentioned that the trilogy was going to explore the concept of balance in the Force and what that means. Yeah, you're either a jedi or not, but they have gone out of their way to set up the idea that there are "good" Force users/believers who are not jedi.  There's no such thing as a vegetarian who eats meat, but there are pescatarians, vegans, etc.

 

I haven't seen Rebels yet, I probably will if and when it gets to Netflix, but I've recently read there's a character who is in the middle of the Force or something like that.

 

There was also the Mortis arc in the Clone Wars with the Father, Son and Daughter.

 

Maybe something will tangetially tie into those.

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14 minutes ago, monkeypower said:

 

I haven't seen Rebels yet, I probably will if and when it gets to Netflix, but I've recently read there's a character who is in the middle of the Force or something like that.

 

There was also the Mortis arc in the Clone Wars with the Father, Son and Daughter.

 

Maybe something will tangetially tie into those.

Thinking about all of these things together, it seems to me like the chances of Snoke being a Sith of any kind are around 1%. Having all of the bad guys be Sith and only one master, one apprentice made sense for a time, but I think they're trying to fill out the universe with different flavors of good guys and bad guys. I know that the Sith didn't always have that rule, but If every bad dude is a Sith, I think everything is tied together too tightly. Having lots of different factions with their own goals seems like a good way to setup a long-term, full throttle universe. Disney is not gonna want to take its foot off the gas after Episode IX.

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23 minutes ago, monkeypower said:

 

I haven't seen Rebels yet, I probably will if and when it gets to Netflix, but I've recently read there's a character who is in the middle of the Force or something like that.

 

There was also the Mortis arc in the Clone Wars with the Father, Son and Daughter.

 

Maybe something will tangetially tie into those.

Thinking about all of these things together, it seems to me like the chances of Snoke being a Sith of any kind are around 1%. Having all of the bad guys be Sith and only one master, one apprentice made sense for a time, but I think they're trying to fill out the universe with different flavors of good guys and bad guys. I know that the Sith didn't always have that rule, but If every bad dude is a Sith, I think everything is tied together too tightly. Having lots of different factions with their own goals seems like a good way to setup a long-term, full throttle universe. Disney is not gonna want to take its foot off the gas after Episode IX.

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1 hour ago, Ice_Cap said:

That "Jedi must end" line didn't sound like Hamil at all. I'm in the camp that it's villain dialogue placed over a shot of Luke looking somber in the name of trailer drama.

 

Yeah I agree, before they showed Luke during that quote I thought it might have been Kylo Ren.

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How do we know what Luke sounds like? It's been 34 years!

 

Joking. I didn't think it sounded like him either. But if it's not Luke... that's a pretty nasty trailer misdirection.

 

Is something layered in like during Rey's TFA vision and her Light/Darkness/Balance here?

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26 minutes ago, CubsFanBudMan said:

But if it's not Luke... that's a pretty nasty trailer misdirection.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ice_Cap said:

 

 

Keep that anger flowin'. It looks good on you. ;)

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On 15/04/2017 at 5:46 PM, Ice_Cap said:

That "Jedi must end" line didn't sound like Hamil at all. I'm in the camp that it's villain dialogue placed over a shot of Luke looking somber in the name of trailer drama.

Maybe it'll be a Snoke line.  This trilogy is going to hold a lot of its credibility for me going forward based on who or wtf Snoke is.  

 

If he's a giant troll or some miniature troll just thrown in as casual baddie... the legacy of these films will be much weaker for me.

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There better be some payoff with Snoke otherwise it'll be a letdown.

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2 minutes ago, AstroBull21 said:

There better be some payoff with Snoke otherwise it'll be a letdown.

I'm really at a loss for who it could be. Everything from Windu to Plagueis to Ezra from Rebels (seriously?) comes off as too fan fictiony to me. 

 

My personal hope? He's an old sage from another non-Sith order that used the dark side. Maybe an isolated sect somewhere. He grew powerful and saw an opertunity for a power grab when Palpatine died and the Empire collapsed. 

It wouldn't be a callback to anything previously established but if done right it could really grow the universe. 

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11 minutes ago, Ice_Cap said:

I'm really at a loss for who it could be. Everything from Windu to Plagueis to Ezra from Rebels (seriously?) comes off as too fan fictiony to me. 

 

My personal hope? He's an old sage from another non-Sith order that used the dark side. Maybe an isolated sect somewhere. He grew powerful and saw an opertunity for a power grab when Palpatine died and the Empire collapsed. 

It wouldn't be a callback to anything previously established but if done right it could really grow the universe. 

Under that same theory, he could be the one who teaches Luke that the dark side ain't all that bad, and that it can be used to balance the force.

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23 hours ago, Ice_Cap said:

I'm really at a loss for who it could be. Everything from Windu to Plagueis to Ezra from Rebels (seriously?) comes off as too fan fictiony to me. 

 

My personal hope? He's an old sage from another non-Sith order that used the dark side. Maybe an isolated sect somewhere. He grew powerful and saw an opertunity for a power grab when Palpatine died and the Empire collapsed. 

It wouldn't be a callback to anything previously established but if done right it could really grow the universe. 

I'm thinking the fact that he's limited Kylo's training up to this point leads me to believe that he has no special powers. He may have knowledge of certain types of force powers but is not able to fully utilize them himself. That's why Kylo is stunted in his development so far. 

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So today it was announced that the Episode IX release date is May 24, 2019.

 

I was under the impression that we had permanently moved to December releases. May 24 would be around the traditional Star Wars release dates, but it's not a special anniversary or anything. Strange.

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2 hours ago, Still MIGHTY said:

So today it was announced that the Episode IX release date is May 24, 2019.

 

I was under the impression that we had permanently moved to December releases. May 24 would be around the traditional Star Wars release dates, but it's not a special anniversary or anything. Strange.

I believe I had heard from the beginning that Episode 9 would be a April or May release.

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A little late to the party, but I watched Rogue One this weekend and really enjoyed it. It won't ever be the best Star Wars movie, but it stands on its own pretty well. In a way, it sort of enhanced a New Hope by establishing the importance of the plans. I also absolutely loved Vader just mowing through people at the end.

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On 4/18/2017 at 4:46 PM, Ice_Cap said:

 

 

Watching that trailer brings me back... to a day I thought Kingsley was going to be a badass Mandarin. I didn't hate what they did -- I laughed at the time and I still laugh at "I panicked and then I handled it" -- but what a missed opportunity.

 

As for Snoke... I like him as much as I liked the Emperor in Empire -- not at all. (Kind of a "who the @#$% is this guy?" feeling about both... preferred Vader as the big bad, but then... whoa, lightning! I was 9.) They really need to make Snoke work -- or have Luke cut him down within the first act and move on. (Sorry, Dooku.) I'm not buying him right now as the final hurdle. Ren or Rey or Luke or Laura Dern or Boba del Toro might need to be the main villain by Ep. 9. Snoke was as disposable as Phasma to me.

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2 hours ago, Shumway said:

A little late to the party, but I watched Rogue One this weekend and really enjoyed it. It won't ever be the best Star Wars movie, but it stands on its own pretty well. In a way, it sort of enhanced a New Hope by establishing the importance of the plans. I also absolutely loved Vader just mowing through people at the end.

Yep, R1 for me plays less as SW eps 3.5 & more as prologue to Star Wars (IV).

As such, it'll become part of my Star Wars (IV) re-watches going forward.


Ppl are saying it's simply SW porn, to which I say so what.  Not everything SW has to be some major dramatic character study for me to feel entertained & engaged.

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12 hours ago, Shumway said:

A little late to the party, but I watched Rogue One this weekend and really enjoyed it. It won't ever be the best Star Wars movie, but it stands on its own pretty well. In a way, it sort of enhanced a New Hope by establishing the importance of the plans. I also absolutely loved Vader just mowing through people at the end.

That's my favorite part about the movie. For years nerds have been like "really? all you have to do is shoot this one hole and the whole Death Star blows up? How convenient." Yeah, really. Someone else said it when it first came out - they took a bug from IV and made it a feature, which was really quite brilliant. 

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