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Posted March 5, 2013 - 23:20

This just came in from WWE.com:

Paul Bearer has passed away.

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Posted March 5, 2013 - 23:47

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Posted March 6, 2013 - 00:24

Oh wow.. That's pretty shocking. Thoughts go out to his family.

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Posted March 6, 2013 - 08:51

Fonzy as a wrestler... who knew


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Posted March 6, 2013 - 09:12

My favorite Paul Bearer segment. This right here just shows his ability to take a cheesy concept like this, and make it great!



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Posted March 6, 2013 - 09:50

Got to watch Raw last night, and you know I marked the hell out when Mr. Ass came out. He put on a little weight, but still is in shape. It was awesome to see the fame-asser again.

Also, I'm not sure how I feel about this potential Shield match. They will face three former heavyweight champs who are still main eventers. It seems like it's poorly put together and wasting Show, Orton and Sheamus' talents to have them have in a thrown-together tag team instead of singles matches. It will only make sense if Shield wins, but I doubt that, being Wrestlemania.
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Posted March 6, 2013 - 10:03

Billy Gunn always had the personality of a 2x4. He's really not capable of saying anything other than "if you're not down with that", which is why he needed the stupid "smoking gunns" gimmick, then get paired up with HTM to speak for him, then Road Dogg who carried the team verbally. He's a great athlete (though it's debatable how good his matches were and how good a "pro wrestler" he was) but just never could break that wall between ring and audience.

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Posted March 6, 2013 - 10:10

Billy Gunn always had the personality of a 2x4. He's really not capable of saying anything other than "if you're not down with that", which is why he needed the stupid "smoking gunns" gimmick, then get paired up with HTM to speak for him, then Road Dogg who carried the team verbally. He's a great athlete (though it's debatable how good his matches were and how good a "pro wrestler" he was) but just never could break that wall between ring and audience.


Maybe it was just the wrong time for Gunn. There have been several lackluster champions over the past five years or so. Hell, Swagger was thrown the belt for a month, despite the fact that he sucks on the mic, has a lisp, always looks ridiculous and isn't really anything special in the ring. Of course, the Mr. Ass gimmick wouldn't fly today, but you have to think someone with his talent could have been a main eventer and heavyweight champ today. Then again, you can say the same thing about DiBiase, Mr. Perfect and a bunch of other guys.
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Posted March 6, 2013 - 10:44


Billy Gunn always had the personality of a 2x4. He's really not capable of saying anything other than "if you're not down with that", which is why he needed the stupid "smoking gunns" gimmick, then get paired up with HTM to speak for him, then Road Dogg who carried the team verbally. He's a great athlete (though it's debatable how good his matches were and how good a "pro wrestler" he was) but just never could break that wall between ring and audience.


Maybe it was just the wrong time for Gunn. There have been several lackluster champions over the past five years or so. Hell, Swagger was thrown the belt for a month, despite the fact that he sucks on the mic, has a lisp, always looks ridiculous and isn't really anything special in the ring. Of course, the Mr. Ass gimmick wouldn't fly today, but you have to think someone with his talent could have been a main eventer and heavyweight champ today. Then again, you can say the same thing about DiBiase, Mr. Perfect and a bunch of other guys.


Those guys ass had 100x more charisma than Gunn. I don't know much about Swaggar, so I can't comment on that, but I'd say Gunn is most comparable to a Randy Orton, and could've been a short-term heel champ / adversary of a Cena or a good guy HHH.

He did main event against the Rock the night Owen Hart died.

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Posted March 6, 2013 - 10:54



Billy Gunn always had the personality of a 2x4. He's really not capable of saying anything other than "if you're not down with that", which is why he needed the stupid "smoking gunns" gimmick, then get paired up with HTM to speak for him, then Road Dogg who carried the team verbally. He's a great athlete (though it's debatable how good his matches were and how good a "pro wrestler" he was) but just never could break that wall between ring and audience.


Maybe it was just the wrong time for Gunn. There have been several lackluster champions over the past five years or so. Hell, Swagger was thrown the belt for a month, despite the fact that he sucks on the mic, has a lisp, always looks ridiculous and isn't really anything special in the ring. Of course, the Mr. Ass gimmick wouldn't fly today, but you have to think someone with his talent could have been a main eventer and heavyweight champ today. Then again, you can say the same thing about DiBiase, Mr. Perfect and a bunch of other guys.


Those guys ass had 100x more charisma than Gunn. I don't know much about Swaggar, so I can't comment on that, but I'd say Gunn is most comparable to a Randy Orton, and could've been a short-term heel champ / adversary of a Cena or a good guy HHH.

He did main event against the Rock the night Owen Hart died.


I think that's really selling Orton short -- Gunn was never up to the level that Orton attained. Randy Orton, for all of his flaws, was one of pro wrestling's best heels of the past decade. The man main-evented a WrestleMania, for god's sake. Billy Gunn is more akin to a Dolph Ziggler (bleached-blonde hair aside): great worker in the ring, but always lacking a bit on the mic. They paired Gunn with a million people, just like they're trying to surround Ziggs right now. It never happened for Gunn, even after they gave him the '99 King of the Ring tournament and a featured match against The Rock at that SummerSlam, and it's looking like Ziggler's time has passed as well, even with a Money in the Bank win and a significant main event PPV victory over John Cena.

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Posted March 6, 2013 - 11:51




Billy Gunn always had the personality of a 2x4. He's really not capable of saying anything other than "if you're not down with that", which is why he needed the stupid "smoking gunns" gimmick, then get paired up with HTM to speak for him, then Road Dogg who carried the team verbally. He's a great athlete (though it's debatable how good his matches were and how good a "pro wrestler" he was) but just never could break that wall between ring and audience.


Maybe it was just the wrong time for Gunn. There have been several lackluster champions over the past five years or so. Hell, Swagger was thrown the belt for a month, despite the fact that he sucks on the mic, has a lisp, always looks ridiculous and isn't really anything special in the ring. Of course, the Mr. Ass gimmick wouldn't fly today, but you have to think someone with his talent could have been a main eventer and heavyweight champ today. Then again, you can say the same thing about DiBiase, Mr. Perfect and a bunch of other guys.


Those guys ass had 100x more charisma than Gunn. I don't know much about Swaggar, so I can't comment on that, but I'd say Gunn is most comparable to a Randy Orton, and could've been a short-term heel champ / adversary of a Cena or a good guy HHH.

He did main event against the Rock the night Owen Hart died.


I think that's really selling Orton short -- Gunn was never up to the level that Orton attained. Randy Orton, for all of his flaws, was one of pro wrestling's best heels of the past decade. The man main-evented a WrestleMania, for god's sake. Billy Gunn is more akin to a Dolph Ziggler (bleached-blonde hair aside): great worker in the ring, but always lacking a bit on the mic. They paired Gunn with a million people, just like they're trying to surround Ziggs right now. It never happened for Gunn, even after they gave him the '99 King of the Ring tournament and a featured match against The Rock at that SummerSlam, and it's looking like Ziggler's time has passed as well, even with a Money in the Bank win and a significant main event PPV victory over John Cena.


I won't pretend to be up on today's wrestling, I just know that Orton is an athletic, well put together heel with no personality, and other than his fist-pounding on the canvas, has no real in-ring "defining quality" (for lack of a better term.) He too was put in stables to try and build him up, and in a different era, I think Billy Gunn could possibly have been used similarly. I'll admit that Orton is more of your prototypical "champion" in terms of look, but in terms of charisma, they're kind of the same.

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Posted March 6, 2013 - 12:11

(though it's debatable how good his matches were and how good a "pro wrestler" he was)


Well, Road Dogg and him did push Mick Foley and Terry Funk off the stage in a dumpster. That made way for the biggest sell Jim Ross ever did.

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Posted March 6, 2013 - 12:18

I was referring to what I guess you guys would call "story telling", or selling, or whatever it's called when you just have the look of pure anguish on your face or sell overcoming an injury or something like that. In-match acting, for lack of a better phrase.

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Posted March 6, 2013 - 12:29



Billy Gunn always had the personality of a 2x4. He's really not capable of saying anything other than "if you're not down with that", which is why he needed the stupid "smoking gunns" gimmick, then get paired up with HTM to speak for him, then Road Dogg who carried the team verbally. He's a great athlete (though it's debatable how good his matches were and how good a "pro wrestler" he was) but just never could break that wall between ring and audience.


Maybe it was just the wrong time for Gunn. There have been several lackluster champions over the past five years or so. Hell, Swagger was thrown the belt for a month, despite the fact that he sucks on the mic, has a lisp, always looks ridiculous and isn't really anything special in the ring. Of course, the Mr. Ass gimmick wouldn't fly today, but you have to think someone with his talent could have been a main eventer and heavyweight champ today. Then again, you can say the same thing about DiBiase, Mr. Perfect and a bunch of other guys.


Those guys ass had 100x more charisma than Gunn. I don't know much about Swaggar, so I can't comment on that, but I'd say Gunn is most comparable to a Randy Orton, and could've been a short-term heel champ / adversary of a Cena or a good guy HHH.

He did main event against the Rock the night Owen Hart died.

The night Owen Hart died, Undertaker fought Austin for the title. I had to look it up to see if Gunn was even on the card and he was, he had a match against Road Dogg.

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Posted March 6, 2013 - 12:33




Billy Gunn always had the personality of a 2x4. He's really not capable of saying anything other than "if you're not down with that", which is why he needed the stupid "smoking gunns" gimmick, then get paired up with HTM to speak for him, then Road Dogg who carried the team verbally. He's a great athlete (though it's debatable how good his matches were and how good a "pro wrestler" he was) but just never could break that wall between ring and audience.


Maybe it was just the wrong time for Gunn. There have been several lackluster champions over the past five years or so. Hell, Swagger was thrown the belt for a month, despite the fact that he sucks on the mic, has a lisp, always looks ridiculous and isn't really anything special in the ring. Of course, the Mr. Ass gimmick wouldn't fly today, but you have to think someone with his talent could have been a main eventer and heavyweight champ today. Then again, you can say the same thing about DiBiase, Mr. Perfect and a bunch of other guys.


Those guys ass had 100x more charisma than Gunn. I don't know much about Swaggar, so I can't comment on that, but I'd say Gunn is most comparable to a Randy Orton, and could've been a short-term heel champ / adversary of a Cena or a good guy HHH.

He did main event against the Rock the night Owen Hart died.

The night Owen Hart died, Undertaker fought Austin for the title. I had to look it up to see if Gunn was even on the card and he was, he had a match against Road Dogg.


There was some PPV where he took on the Rock, because I still remember Rock's promo about god looking down from heaven and telling Billy Gunn that he sucked. It was around that time because I remember watching it with the girl I was dating around then. I also saw part of the PPV that Owen died with her, so that's probably why I was confused.

EDIT: Summerslam '99.

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Posted March 6, 2013 - 19:16

*off topic alert*

Came across this video on youtube. Hindsight is 20/20, but hearing some of these ideas really makes me hate the reality of WCW after Starrcade 97. Although, how any of these scenarios would hold up against the impeding rise of WWF's attitude era is a whole different argument.

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Posted March 6, 2013 - 20:10

Seeing as how Wade Barrett has no direction heading into Wrestlemania, this would have been an ideal time for "The Intercontinental Cup" that they scrapped a little while ago.

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Posted March 6, 2013 - 20:13

Starrcade '97 is the worst case of blue balls in the history of pro wrestling. Thanks Hogan!

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Posted March 6, 2013 - 20:23

Starrcade '97 is the worst case of blue balls in the history of pro wrestling. Thanks Hogan!

Still not as bad as the ending of Starrcade '98.

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Posted March 6, 2013 - 20:40

The funny thing is that going into Starrcade 97, I thought WWF was just about finished. Yeah, WWF had HBK and Undertaker, but Austin was up-and-coming rather than the megastar he would become in 98, and the Rock, Kane and Mankind were entertaining but not as big as they would be. Meanwhile, Bret Hart joined WCW, where the NWO was still the biggest deal in wrestling. I thought he was the biggest coup out of all of the guys who crossed over, but boy did the whole thing blow up nearly immediately for WCW.
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