8BW14 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 What if the Colts never left Baltimore? I was thinking about this alternate reality and how that decision could have changed the make up of the NFL forever. The most obvious effect of the Colts remaining in Baltimore is the fact that the Ravens do not exist in this NFL and the Cleveland Browns are the real Cleveland Browns. Just for kicks I also decided that the Cardinals never left St Louis in 1988 and had a new outdoor stadium built to remain in the city, so the Rams remained in Los Angeles and built a new stadium with the the LA Raiders, which brings us to 1995.In 1995 the NFL expanded from 28 to 30 teams. In the real world, we all know that Charlotte, NC and Jacksonville, Fl were chosen to host the two new teams, the Panthers and Jaguars respectively. In this alternate timeline, Indianapolis, Vancouver, Phoenix, Nashville, and Charlotte were chosen as the finalists for the rights to two expansion franchises. Two cities stood out from the pack to the NFL. Charlotte, NC was an up and coming city in 1995 and Indianapolis was without an NFL franchise and campaigned very strongly to be granted one of the two proposed franchises. Ultimately Charlotte and Indianapolis were granted the two expansion franchises, and the NFL unveiled the new division formats for each conference. Now, for the fun part, naming the new teams. Indianapolis looked at at least four different identities, including, Racers, Mastodons, Kings, Defenders, and Guardians. Ultimately, Guardians was decided upon and the ownership unveiled the new team's helmet and logoThe colors were inspired by the city's flag and the logo is a depiction of the statue of Nike, Greek goddess of victory who watches over the city from her perch atop the Soldiers and Sailors Monument, which stands in Monument Circle in downtown Indianapolis.Charlotte's ownership group had decided to name the team Carolina, instead of Charlotte to appeal to citizens of both North and South Carolina. The ownership group chose the moniker of Panthers and a color scheme that consisted of silver, black and "Carolina" blue. The nickname and logo were inspired by the local Native American art and legends regarding the mysterious creature known as Bigfoot, or Sasquatch. The team colors of teal, copper and black were based colors of the region's forests and wildlife.Finally, both teams unveiled their uniforms on the day before training camp: So, this is it for now. What does everybody think? Is this too far fetched? and are the uniform, sufficiently 90's enough? I'm still working on team histories and future uniform updates. Please let me know what you guys think. Any suggestions for the 2002 expansion?Anyway, Thanks for taking a look at incredibly long and explanation of an unlikely scenario. C&C is definitely appreciated.EDIT: Vancouver was replaced with the real world Carolina Panthers, who now exist in this alternate reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Holmes Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I admire your effort and work, but my oh my, that Vancouver helmet is ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DnBronc Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Two other name possibilities for an Indianapolis team:Circle Stars (Indianapolis is the Circle City)Mohicans (An Indian tribe that was prevalent in that area) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I admire your effort and work, but my oh my, that Vancouver helmet is ugly. They both are...the Indy team looks like a 90s Buffalo Bills unifom thrown in a blender. I see your inspiration for the Vancouver team.Thankfully the NFL has never made the mistake of going to Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 First of all, I love the idea of an NFL where no team was allowed to move. That was the way it was supposed to be under their antitrust exemption following the NFL-AFL merger. If you want to stay true to that ideal, you should keep the Raiders in Oakland. I'm reasonably confident that even if there hadn't been relocations, that Charlotte would have gotten an expansion team. It was a really up-and-coming city in the '90s. Perhaps Carolina Panthers and Phoenix Jaguars? ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8BW14 Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 I admire your effort and work, but my oh my, that Vancouver helmet is ugly. They both are...the Indy team looks like a 90s Buffalo Bills unifom thrown in a blender. I'm glad you find them ugly, that's kinda what I was going for. I went back and forth between a red and white helmet for Indy so maybe I will post the white one because I definitely can see the Bills comparisons, but I thought the baby blue would differentiate the two teams enough.Oh, and honestly I really wasn't thinking of the Grizzlies when I chose those colors, I really just wanted to use teal and I thought the copper went with it really well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illwauk Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 First of all, I love the idea of an NFL where no team was allowed to move. That was the way it was supposed to be under their antitrust exemption following the NFL-AFL merger. If you want to stay true to that ideal, you should keep the Raiders in Oakland.I'm reasonably confident that even if there hadn't been relocations, that Charlotte would have gotten an expansion team. It was a really up-and-coming city in the '90s. Perhaps Carolina Panthers and Phoenix Jaguars?Sounds good to me... Phoenix was to the 80s what Charlotte was to the 90s. If the Cardinals hadn't moved there, Phoenix most certainly would've been at the top of the list for an expansion team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8BW14 Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 First of all, I love the idea of an NFL where no team was allowed to move. That was the way it was supposed to be under their antitrust exemption following the NFL-AFL merger. If you want to stay true to that ideal, you should keep the Raiders in Oakland.I'm reasonably confident that even if there hadn't been relocations, that Charlotte would have gotten an expansion team. It was a really up-and-coming city in the '90s. Perhaps Carolina Panthers and Phoenix Jaguars?Sounds good to me... Phoenix was to the 80s what Charlotte was to the 90s. If the Cardinals hadn't moved there, Phoenix most certainly would've been at the top of the list for an expansion team.Okay, so Carolina instead of Vancouver. Fair enough. I was actually planning going with Phoenix because I know how much the city and its suburbs have grown in the past decade or so and another city that I'm still undecided on for the next expansion in 2002 or 1999 . Any suggestions for the other city? I was leaning toward Nashville, TN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DnBronc Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Phoenix had a group in 1984 that wanted to get an expansion team. They were going to call the team the Firebirds.Bart Starr was going to be the HC, and Thomas Stoen was going to be the owner. They bought land on the Gila Indian Reservation for the purpose of building a stadium.A good WI would be "No USFL in 1983". There would have been expansion in the mid-80's if that league didn't exist, most likely.Phoenix would have been one of the teams, and then, maybe something would have been worked out with Indy, Baltimore, and the Irsays regarding the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 SILLY ONE-LINER THAT ISN'T WHOLLY WITHOUT SERIOUSNESS: all other things being equal, if the 1999 Rams had been the Los Angeles Rams, it wouldd have become a major motion picture. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seancarter Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I think Indianapolis Arrows would be cool name for NFL team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCCoachArete Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I'm biased, but I would love to see the NFL move to Canada. Can't be a worse idea than watching Jacksonville's stadium sit half empty most of the time.I admire your effort and work, but my oh my, that Vancouver helmet is ugly. They both are...the Indy team looks like a 90s Buffalo Bills unifom thrown in a blender. I see your inspiration for the Vancouver team.Thankfully the NFL has never made the mistake of going to Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujju2 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I'm biased, but I would love to see the NFL move to Canada. Can't be a worse idea than watching Jacksonville's stadium sit half empty most of the time.I admire your effort and work, but my oh my, that Vancouver helmet is ugly. They both are...the Indy team looks like a 90s Buffalo Bills unifom thrown in a blender. I see your inspiration for the Vancouver team.Thankfully the NFL has never made the mistake of going to Canada.I agree, we need NFL in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Cardinals Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 would u mind posting the vacnouver logos/uniforms just so we can see? #9 LSU vs. TCU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujju2 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 would u mind posting the vacnouver logos/uniforms just so we can see?Please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8BW14 Posted November 19, 2013 Author Share Posted November 19, 2013 Yeah sorry about that. Here's the proposed uniforms and logos for Vancouver. The last one is the home uniform for I was working on for the 2012 Nike takeover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seancarter Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 would Tennessee Titans still exist in this alternate history of national football league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8BW14 Posted November 19, 2013 Author Share Posted November 19, 2013 would Tennessee Titans still exist in this alternate history of national football leagueMaybe, maybe not. As of now, the Oilers are in Houston and I don't have any plans on moving them, but a team in Nashville, possibly known as the Titans is still in the cards for the next expansion to 32 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk-owns-iu Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 If the Oilers hadn't moved to Tennessee, in all likelihood they would have went with Copperheads with expansion or other team relocation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_prankster Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 No Washington in this alternate NFL or did they get around to changing their name? The Fictional Story of Austus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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