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How Would CDAoI Baseball World Look Like in 2017?, Take 1 and Action!


AL East: Baltimore Orioles, Boston Red Sox, Buffalo Bisons, Miami Crocs, New York Yankees, Toronto Blue Jays

AL Central: Chicago White Sox, Cleveland Spiders (was Indians), Detroit Tigers, Indianapolis Hoosiers, Kansas City Royals, Nashville Sounds

AL Northwest: Calgary Cannons, Edmonton Trappers, Oakland Athletics, Portland Beavers, Seattle Rainiers, Vancouver Mounties
AL Southwest: Albuquerque Dukes, Arizona Diamondbacks, Houston Astros, Las Vegas Blackjack 21's, Los Angeles Angels, Salt Lake City Bees

NL East: Brooklyn Dodgers, Montreal Expos, Ottawa Lynx, Philadelphia Phillies, Pittsburgh Pirates, Washington Nationals
NL North: Chicago Cubs, Cincinnati Reds, Columbus Clippers, Iowa Oaks, Milwaukee Braves, Minnesota Giants, St. Louis Cardinals
NL South: Atlanta Thrashers, Birmingham Barons, Mexico City Diablos, New Orleans Pelicans, Tampa Bay Rays, Texas Rangers

NL West: Denver Bears, Hollywood Stars, Honolulu Islanders, Sacramento Solons, San Diego Padres, San Francisco Seals


Result: 48 Teams split into 2 Leagues, Each League has 24 Teams, will this be the verdict?

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Now a Choir Drill Tale of Interest in Pro Football, Take 1 and Action!


Northeast: Baltimore Colts, Buffalo Bills, Halifax Schooners, Montreal Alouettes, New England Patriots, New York Giants, New York Knights, New York Stars, Ottawa Renegades, Philadelphia Eagles, Quebec Harfangs, Washington Redskins

Central: Austin Texans, Cedar Rapids Kernels, Chicago Bears, Chicago Blitz, Dallas Cowboys, Green Bay Packers, Guadalajara Platados, Houston Oilers, Iowa Barnstormers, Kansas City Chiefs, Mexico City Aztecs, Minnesota Vikings, Oklahoma City Bulls, Omaha Scarecrows, St. Louis Cardinals, San Antonio Gunslingers, Saskatchewan Roughriders, Winnipeg Blue Bombers

Great Lakes: Cincinnati Bengals, Cleveand Browns, Denver Broncos, Hamilton Tiger-Cats, Indianapolis Racers, Kitchener Timberwolves, Pittsburgh Steelers, Toronto Argonauts

Pacific: Anchorage Huskies, Boise Steelheads, British Columbia Lions, Calgary Stampeders, Denver Broncos, Edmonton Eskimos, Hollywood Moguls, Honolulu Hawaiians, Las Vegas Outlaws, Los Angeles Rams, New Mexico Rattlers, Oakland Raiders, Phoenix Firebirds, Portland Lumberjacks, Sacramento Condors, San Diego Chargers, San Francisco 49ers, San Jose Invaders, Seattle Seahawks, Salt Lake City Seagulls

Southeast: Atlanta Falcons, BIrmingham Vulcans, Charlotte Panthers, Jacksonville Jaguars, Memphis Showboats, Miami Dolphins, Nashville Kats, New Orleans Saints, Norfolk Neptunes, Orlando Thunder, Raleigh-Durham Skyhawks, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Result: You Get The Picture, Will These Be It!

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Here's a little something for all you alternate history-enthusiasts out there: Pro Football in a world where the South won the Civil War.


The NFL is still formed in this time line, but soon after, a rival league called the Southern Football Association (SFA) is formed in the Confederacy. The NFL believed it didn't have a chance to compete with the king that was College Football in the south, but to their surprise, the SFA thrived. The AFL is never formed because of two leagues already competing, and those owners get their teams.


Also, after losing the Civil War, the Union moved the capital to New York, and the South took D.C as their own. As a result, the Redskins can't move to Washington, and stay in Boston. No other teams can move from a Union city to a Confederate city.




Philadelphia Eagles

New York Giants

New York Titans/Jets

Boston Redskins

Providence Patriots

Buffalo Bills

Pittsburgh Steelers

Baltimore Ravens (The Browns Fiasco still occurs)



Cleveland Browns

Cincinnati Bengals

Indianapolis Colts (Formerly Baltimore Colts)

Detroit Lions

Chicago Bears

Chicago Cardinals

Green Bay Packers

Minnesota Vikings




Denver Broncos

Oakland Raiders

Los Angeles Chargers (Formerly San Diego Chargers)(sorry)

Los Angeles Rams

San Francisco 49ers

Seattle Seahawks

Portland Sasquatches

Utah Stingers


Top team in each division makes playoffs, along with three wildcards. First and Second seeded teams get byes, Third seed faces Sixth, and Fourth faces Sixth. Worst surviving seed faces #1, the other faces #2. Winners of those face off in the Championship.




Virginia Generals 

Washington Monuments 

Atlanta Falcons

Charlotte Panthers

Raleigh-Durham Skyhawks

Miami Dolphins

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Jacksonville Jaguars

Louisville Thoroughbreds 

Nashville Titans (formerly Houston Oilers)



New Orleans Saints

Memphis Hound Dogs

Dallas Cowboys

Houston Texans

San Antonio Gunslingers

Kansas City Chiefs (formerly Dallas Texans)

St. Louis Pilots

Oklahoma Twisters

Phoenix Rattlers

New Mexico Invaders


The SFA does it old school, with the top teams of each conference automatically going to the Lee Cup, without a playoff. This is unpopular, with many calling to change it. 

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FlyEaglesFly76, Nice idea on your Pro Football Alignment if the South has won the Civil War, here's my added idea on your Last Post


The Winner of the Lee Cup (from the SFA) takes on The Winner of the NFL Championship for the Super Bowl or the Civil War Bowl to see who will be the World Champion of Pro Football will be, it will be nice if we can have a Grey Cup Team from Canadian Football League participate in the Super Bowl on your last post when the South won the Civil War.

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1 hour ago, stratonascar said:

FlyEaglesFly76, Nice idea on your Pro Football Alignment if the South has won the Civil War, here's my added idea on your Last Post


The Winner of the Lee Cup (from the SFA) takes on The Winner of the NFL Championship for the Super Bowl or the Civil War Bowl to see who will be the World Champion of Pro Football will be, it will be nice if we can have a Grey Cup Team from Canadian Football League participate in the Super Bowl on your last post when the South won the Civil War.

 The CFL game is much too different to ever a make workable ruleset for a CFL-NFL/SFA Superbowl, but a SFA/NFL World Championship Game is neat idea. 


Also, I'm a fan of your alignment ideas, even if they tend to get..Big. They're actually pretty interesting.

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On the topic of alternate-history looks, here's a nice one for all of you history lovers (me included) - What if the USA went to war with Canada/England in 1844 over the border of Oregon Country?


HISTORY LESSON IN SPOILER (for those who don't know about Oregon Country and the resulting almost-war from it)


In 1843, settlers in the Willamette Valley established a provisional government at Champoeg, which was personally (but not officially) recognized by John McLoughlin of the Hudson's Bay Company in 1845.[citation needed]

Political pressure in the United States urged the occupation of all the Oregon Country. Expansionists in the American South wanted to annex Texas, while their counterparts in the Northeast wanted to annex the Oregon Country whole. It was seen as significant that the expansions be parallel, as the relative proximity to other states and territories made it appear likely that Texas would be pro-slavery and Oregon against slavery.[citation needed]

In the 1844 U.S. Presidential election, the Democrats had called for expansion into both areas. After his election as president, however, James K. Polk supported the 49th parallel as a northern limit for U.S. annexation in Oregon Country. It was Polk's uncompromising support for expansion into Texas and relative silence on the Oregon boundary dispute that led to the phrase "Fifty-Four Forty or Fight!", referring to the northern border of the region and often erroneously attributed to Polk's campaign. The goal of the slogan was to rally Southern expansionists (some of whom wanted to annex only Texas in an effort to tip the balance of slave/free states and territories in favor of slavery) to support the effort to annex Oregon Country, appealing to the popular belief in Manifest Destiny. The British government, meanwhile, sought control of all territory north of the Columbia River.[citation needed]

Despite the posturing, neither country really wanted to fight what would have been the third war in 70 years against the other. The two countries eventually came to a peaceful agreement in the 1846 Oregon Treaty that divided the territory west of the Continental Divide along the 49th parallel to Georgia Strait; with all of Vancouver Island remaining under British control. This border today divides British Columbia from neighboring Washington, Idaho, and Montana.[citation needed]

(Copied and pasted from Wikipedia)

So, say that James Polk unsecures his place as one of the least-remembered presidents by initiatiating, and winning, that war. This means Vancouver (and basically all of the British Columbia province as well) is now on US soil. This means that all of the Big 4 leagues expand into Vancouver.




Start in 1995, where the Vancouver expansion bid defeats Jacksonville's.


AFC East:

Buffalo Bills, Indianapolis Colts, Miami Dolphins, New England Patriots, New York Jets

AFC Central:

Pittsburgh Steelers, Cincinnati Bengals, Houston Oilers, Cleveland Browns (v1), Kansas City Chiefs (moved from AFCW to AFCC to accommodate for Vancouver expansion replacing Jacksonville)

AFC West:

San Diego Chargers, Seattle Seahawks, Denver Broncos, Oakland Raiders, Vancouver (Replaced Jacksonville - 1995 Expansion)


NFC stays the same as it was.


1999: Cleveland (v2) joins the AFC Central; Kansas City moves back to the AFC West.


AFC East: same as '95

AFC Central: Tennessee Titans (relocated Houston Oilers), Baltimore Ravens (relocated Browns v1), Pittsburgh Steelers, Cincinnati Bengals, Cleveland Browns (v2)

AFC West: Seattle Seahawks, Kansas City Chiefs (moved back to AFCW from AFCC), San Diego Chargers, Oakland Raiders, Denver Broncos, Vancouver


2002: Houston Texans join the league, setting it to 32. Baltimore moves to AFC East (due to no Dolphins), Kansas City moves to AFC North (due to no Ravens), Miami Dolphins move to AFC South (due to no Jags)


AFC East: New York Jets, New England Patriots, Buffalo Bills, Baltimore Ravens (moved from AFCN to AFCE to accommodate for Kansas City)

AFC North: Pittsburgh Steelers, Cleveland Browns, Cincinnati Bengals, Kansas City Chiefs (moved from AFCW to AFCN to accommodate for Vancouver expansion)

AFC South: Tennessee Titans, Indianapolis Colts, Houston Texans (2002 Expansion), Miami Dolphins (moved from AFCE to AFCS to accommodate for no Jags)

AFC West: Oakland Raiders, Denver Broncos, San Diego Chargers, Vancouver


NFC: no changes

The NHL does not make any changes, as they already have the Canucks and would add them as normal in 1970.


The NBA also just keeps the Grizzlies in Vancouver (due to the Canadian dollar not mattering anymore, as it is a US city); Memphis does not have a NBA team. Here is the alignment:


Eastern Conf. No changes

Western Conf.:

Northwest: Utah Jazz, Denver Nuggets, Portland Trail Blazers, Minnesota Timberwolves, Vancouver Grizzlies (moved stayed in Vancouver, replacing Oklahoma City)

Pacific: No changes

Southwest: San Antonio Spurs, Houston Rockets, Dallas Mavericks, New Orleans Pelicans, Oklahoma City Thunder (moved from Northwest to accommodate for the Grizzlies)



1989: When the White Sox-to-Tampa-St Pete deal fell through, instead of agreeing to build New Cominsky, the White Sox get a deal to move to Vancouver. They pounce. The Vancouver White Sox take the field in 1990.


No changes in the alignment - Chicago was already in the West, so nothing changes other than the city in front of the "White Sox" name.


1994: The league realigns to 3 divisions. The only change is the White Sox moving from the Central to the West. Considering that the West was a shorthanded division, the Central becomes the shorthanded division in this scenario.


1998: The shorthanded division becomes the AL Central.


AL Central: Cleveland Indians, Kansas City Royals, Minnesota Twins, Detroit Tigers

AL West: Texas Rangers, Anaheim Angels, Seattle Mariners, Oakland Athletics, Vancouver White Sox


2002: MLB goes ahead with its contraction plan, eliminating the Minnesota Twins and Montreal Expos from the league. Due to 13 teams in the AL and 15 in the NL, the D-Backs move to the AL as a part of the AL West, and the Rangers move to the AL Central. Pirates move to NL East to accommodate for losing the Expos.


AL East: same

AL Central: Cleveland Indians, Kansas City Royals, Detroit Tigers, Texas Rangers (moved to AL Central to accommodate for Arizona joining AL)

AL West: Oakland Athletics, Anaheim Angels, Seattle Mariners, Vancouver White Sox, Arizona Diamondbacks (moved to AL in wake of contraction)


NL East: Atlanta Braves, Philadelphia Phillies, Florida Marlins, New York Mets, Pittsburgh Pirates (moved to NL East to accommodate for Montreal being contracted)

NL Central: St Louis Cardinals, Houston Astros, Cincinnati Reds, Chicago Cubs, Milwaukee Brewers

NL West: same but without D-Backs


2007: MLB announces that it will expand by 4 to bring the total number of teams to 32. The teams joining the league are...

Minnesota Twins (v2) - After thinking long and hard, the league determined that these Twins are not the same as the original Twins/Senators franchise. Joining the AL.

Washington Nationals - Filling in the void that the Expos left, just 2 years later. Joining the NL.

Nashville Sounds - They are a very successful minor league team, and at this point deserve to be in the majors. Joining the NL.

Charlotte Knights - Another very successful minor league team. Joining the AL.


The league overhauls the alignment system, now going with the NFL format of 4 divisions per conference (league), 4 teams in a division.


AL East: New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox, Toronto Blue Jays, Baltimore Orioles

AL North: Cleveland Indians, Detroit Tigers, Minnesota Twins (2007 Expansion), Kansas City Royals

AL South: Tampa Bay Rays, Charlotte Knights (2007 Expansion), Texas Rangers, Arizona Diamondbacks (truly the South division; all the Southern misfits that don't go anywhere else)

AL West: Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Seattle Mariners, Oakland Athletics, Vancouver White Sox


NL East: Washington Nationals (2007 Expansion), New York Mets, Philadelphia Phillies, Pittsburgh Pirates

NL North: Chicago Cubs, St Louis Cardinals, Milwaukee Brewers, Cincinnati Reds

NL South: Atlanta Braves, Florida Marlins, Nashville Sounds (2007 Expansion), Houston Astros

NL West: Colorado Rockies, San Diego Padres, Los Angeles Dodgers, San Francisco Giants

So as you can see, at least 2 of the major leagues will dramatically change, all if one extra war between the US and England.

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