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    Final team! I'll try some revisions on certain kits and I'll also share some goalkeeper kits as well. I stuck with a traditional look for the Whitecaps home kit with the big blue stripe and some small mountains forming the light blue outline. I went out on a ledge with a nod to the Vancouver Grizzlies on the secondary kit. The third kit is a brown and blue kit similar to what the Caps wore a few years ago.
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    Im crying over here that this is all coming to an end. This has been a 10/10 concept series. Presentation, template, those little schedules, it's all been amazing. Definitely going to be on the lookout for new series from you. Great work!
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    I hate the Bucks' new stuff, absolutely hate it. The font looks like a child trying to draw athletic block from memory without understanding it past "there aren't curves." Dark green, royal blue, and black don't look great together, throw in the cream and they're Ye Olde Devil Rays. I hate the logo, this tweet sums it up: The last set wasn't perfect, but the color scheme was. But that's okay, because you should be able to keep a color scheme and come up with new logos. The Bucks did it the other way in 2006, changing their colors back to the original green and red but keeping the deer-in-headlights logo.
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    DETROIT WHEELS (1974-PRESENT) Detroit plays in the Central Division with Chicago, Columbus, Houston and San Antonio. Original Logo/Look: The Detroit Wheels have defied the odds and made a real success of hard times in the Motor City. When the city was at its lowest, the Wheels seemed to thrive. Perhaps it was the high cost of Lions tickets, or the sense that the Wheels were a blue collar team for a blue collar town, but the Wheels have all-but overtaken their NFL rivals in fandom in Motown. It does not hurt that for over a decade (1997-2009) the team had one of the WFL's biggest stars on its roster. QB Kurt Warner, a player plucked from Northern Iowa and the Arena League became a star in Detroit. Leading the Wheels to 4 championships in his 12 season career, Warner was a regular All-World player. His presence in Detroit helped the team fill the SilverDome and later Ford Field, while other WFL teams were lucky to average 25k a year. Now, as the voice of the Wheels on local broadcasts (TV and Radio), Warner continues to keep the Wheels fandome alive and strong. The Wheels look made a major shift in the mid-80's when they ditched the very 1970's mustard yellow, added a metallic gold, and prioritized black and red as the lead colors for the team. A new logo came in 1984, replacing the lower case D with a bold upper case D. Their current uniform, designed in 2011, features subtle tire-tread elements on the shoulders and pants, while using a retro feel with its numbers. The wrap around striping in the helmet logo depict speed and acceleration, two themes the Wheels emphasize on the field and with their marketing each year. Detroit has not returned to the World Bowl since 2008, but have been regular playoff contenders and their merch still makes Top 5 sales lists thanks to their rabid fanbase. Notes: If you click on the image and then magnify, it is easier to see the tire tracks. These are similar to the glossy/matte elements of recent college teams and the Jags (in their dual-tone helmet period). And, if you were wondering, yes, I tried to draw some parallels between the Wheels and the Arena League's Iowa Barnstormers as a bit of a nod towards Kurt Warner.
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    Arizona Cardinals The Cardinals are in a desperate need for new uniforms, so here's a design that incorporates the Arizona flag, while deepening the red and gold that the team uses. Also changed the font the teams uses to look more like what they used pre-2005. C&C welcome Up next: Atlanta Falcons
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    This was the pic I was talking about! I still don't love the font, but this would be a really good modern uniform.
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    Before I hand out the medals, I want to point out that the voting for this event was very well distributed! Everyone got points, and almost everyone got a vote for either first or second place, which shows this was a great event for everyone! Onto the hardware! The bronze medal goes to @GriffinM6, for Entry 5! The silver medal goes to @jmoe12, for Entry 11! jmoe12 has already completed the medal trifecta, with a gold, a silver and a bronze after three events! And the gold medal goes to @HRC4, for Entry 9! Full album here Please copy the medals and host them on your account if you want to add them to your signature. List of participants and points tally:
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    1. Cream/Green is an inferior pairing, but that's a matter of taste, whatever. 2. The Bucks won a championship with Red/Green and own that combination throughout the 3 major sports 3. Even if you prefer Cream/Green, the Bucks don't wear it. You could make a case for cream replacing the white like this: ...but again, that's not what The Bucks do. They wear 27 bad colors and put cream next to white. They look like an expansion team.
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    This is another alternate history concept series. In this series the World Football League (1974-1975) survived until today. I will use only actual team names, though the history and team locations may end up changing. Some will relocate from their original cities, others are expansion teams as the league grows. By the end we will have 20 teams based on actual WFL franchises. All teams will get remakes from 1970's style to the 2010's, though some elements of their "tradition" may be retained. As the WFL is keen on innovation (check out their position-specific pants idea) they will adopt a lot of the most current trends in design. All uniforms are made by Under Armor (see crest on right chest of jersey) and the league logo will be a patch on the left chest and found on the rear bumper of each helmet. One of the traditions of the WFL will be that all teams have their city name in a large font across their jersey. I will do home & away jerseys first, then, maybe, alternates (the WFL is still not as big as the NFL so maybe not quite as much money to do as many alternates.) BIRMINGHAM VULCANS (1974-2020, 1974 as Birmingham Americans) Play in the Southern Division with Charlotte, Florida, Jacksonville and Memphis. Original Logo: The first team up (going alphabetically of the 12 1974 franchises) is actually the 1974 Champion, though they are renamed. The Birmingham Americans, after their 1974 championship, were renamed the Vulcans. It is this Vulcans team which remains a stalwart of the league throughout its history. The Vulcans would win 5 World Bowls between 1974 and 1999 before falling on hard times in the 2000's. In the mid 1980's they updated their logo, adding a gunmetal grey anvil element to their logo and their color scheme. Their current look makes heavy use of sublimation to create a "fiery glow" on the helmets, jersey yokes and pant stripes. Even the socks have a bit of this glow to them.
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    Um where? By who? The Bucks' current identity is middling at best and a mess at worst.
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    This graph really shows how many good entries there were here, and how close the voting was. Just about every single entry was fun, creative and really well-done. I'm also happy that @scottyeagle and I had almost the exact same idea and ended up tied. I actually tried to make a striped hat (for the sunday uniform) look good but I couldn't do it, and then you did it perfectly.
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    I remember that one. Yeah, shrink the ATL, fiddle a bit with that clunky font, and get some gray pants (which I'd just wear exclusively) and that's not a terrible look. When it was revealed that we'd have multiple pants options, I for sure thought they were going to go with black, white, and gray/silver. That would theoretically double as two throwbacks, the red and black sets from the 80s-90s.
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    Seems unnecessary plus I was looking forward to seeing what standard court design the NBA would use for everybody.
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    I remember that one. Yeah, shrink the ATL, fiddle a bit with that clunky font, and get some gray pants (which I'd just wear exclusively) and that's not a terrible look.
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    Some teams will have updated logos (see Birmingham), others entirely new logos, but some will have had enough success that their logo became "untouchable" for the fans. Think of the Steelers, Raiders, Cowboys or Vikings. You really cannot touch those teams, even though their logos were created in the 60's. The same is what I see happening with the Hornets. They become iconic and fans would revolt if they tried to create a new hornet. That won't be the case for all teams, but for some it will.
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    It's hard feeling burnt out on a project that you've poured a lot of time and energy into. But in the grand scheme of things, that's a very minor problem. With all the events going across cities in the United States, I got a weird feeling making sports uniforms for fun. This country is the only country I've ever called home and I want to be proud of it and hopefully we can find a way to right the wrongs and evils and find peace in all the chaos. Football - First time so far, I think, that a club hockey team has been the influence for the overall look. That said it's also not the only influence. Remember these? Well those uniforms influenced the placement of the stripe the hockey team inspired. Starting with the helmets, the classic silver helmet stays, with the new UNLV that was quickly scrapped and now revived for my purposes. New stripe down the middle. Alternate satin red helmet gets things the same way, just recolored obviously. Jerseys have the stripes on the shoulders, new logo on the sleeves. I honestly thought that was a good brand evolution, but apparently not to the public. Found a number font that gets close to the updated wordmarks. Pant stripes match the helmet stripes. Alternate is all black, with the logo on the sides in place of UNLV. Grey becomes silver, and white is largely eliminated from the alternate look. Hockey - It feels wrong to be so high on a look and then scrap it. Basically kept the club team's look with some major changes. Stripes on the sleeves don't change but the pattern of black home/grey away jersey is changed. Red becomes the home, white the away and black the alternate. Also added a matching hem striped and dumped the chest numbers. The chest logo for the home and away is the full UNLV wordmark above the logo. Black pants and helmets, pants have the stripe down the side. Alternate borrows the same idea from football, with white/grey replaced with silver. Baseball - For baseball, the two-button pullover was the route chosen. Hat was simple, all red with UNLV on the front. Jerseys have the same style stripes as football, with the stripes up on the shoulders. REBELS on the home whites, and UNLV on the road reds. Pants have the same stripes down the sides as everyone else. Alternate borrows the same ideas as the others, with white going away for silver, the logo being featured more prominently on the hat and left chest. Basketball - Probably the most well known team at UNLV, I kept things pretty clean and simple. Stripes start up on the shoulders and move down the sides of the jersey to the shorts. On the white jersey, went with the iconic Runnin' Rebels with the number in the middle. UNLV on the road uniform, and I left the Runnin' Rebels on the alternate. I tried the logo but I didn't like the look of it. C&C welcome. Wherever you guys might be, be safe with all that is going on
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    I can honestly say I've never seen it either. Nice find, @WSU151! Not sure what the story is there...i would guess it's just a logo created by Wincraft for that purpose only. People here are clamoring for stuff in that vein of aesthetic though, so the Mavs or Wincraft need to put that on merch by itself!
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    Ok, this is a good argument. I do still think a new team could still make it work in the hands of competent management and not, say, Don Waddell, but that's not gonna happen for the forseeable future, at least until we start talking about replacing State Farm Arena; if even then. Even before Kokusai Green crumbled the Lightning were a solid draw - yeah, they had help playing out of a baseball stadium with a larger capacity than most for 3 seasons, but they don't set pre-Heritage/Winter Classic/Stadium Series regular season & playoff attendance records if people aren't interested in the team and the game. In fact, I've never gone over this here, but one of my favourite stats about the Bolts' time at the ThunderDome: In their 3 seasons playing at what is now called Tropicana Field... ...the Lightning had higher average numbers than the Rays get, generally. In fact in their 22 seasons of play the Rays have had a higher average attendance than the Bolts' worst-attended season at the same stadium just 7* times. (off-topic sidenote but this is why I don't think it's just bad park location causing the Rays' woes: 25 years ago more people had no problem coming to the same dingy, far-away stadium to watch some hockey! Why don't they wanna come watch baseball?) * - 6 seasons, actually, but I'll be nice and give 2011 to them; they were off by 1 average fan per game!
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    Soccer has also managed to catch fire in the niche sports crowd in a way the NHL just never has in the US.
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    Atlanta gets a Marty Jannetty-an amount of chances as an NHL market. But, much like Jannetty, serious screw-ups keep happening. The "what if" game is fun and all, but in the end, Atlanta as a hockey market just had fundamental problems with demographics, marketability, and place within the sports landscape of the region. They were an upstart competing with the more-established Hawks, Falcons, Braves, and arguably UGA/GT athletics. Atlanta United doing as well as they have is likely due to both MLS novelty and the immediate success of the team (unlike the Thrashers). Tampa Bay did it right, once they got rid of Yakuza ownership. Nashville came around to doing it better. Carolina isn't beyond saving. Atlanta? Much like Jannetty and long-term sobriety, it just isn't happening.
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    Milwaukee is surrounded by more farmland than forest. You seem to have confused Milwaukee with Rhinelander. Common mistake.
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    I mean, they also say Quebec can't work "because they lost the Nordiques", which is itself a pretty flimsy argument that ignores most of why the Nordiques moved in the first place. Yeah, two is more than one in Atlanta's case, but that argument for Atlanta convinces me about as much as it does for the other cities. Past results don't guarantee future results. But I do get it, absolutely; I've been here a long while, I remember most of what you're talking about* - I'm just saying that one can indeed support small markets like Quebec & Hartford and bigger markets like Atlanta getting teams back, because I do. * - I'm a bit sad BigMac12 got himself banned before the Jets returned, because the meltdown he would've probably had at that news would have been amazing. Goldmine worthy, maybe.
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    I love what the bucks have been going for in the present. I'm all for dark green and cream. I feel like it really compliments each other and has a very professional look to it. Any other color like red or purple I just feel like downplays it. When I think of Milwaukee I think of the forests and the cream city. I feel like the two colors are all we need.
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    CHICAGO FIRE (1974-2020) Plays in the Central Division with Detroit, Houston, St. Louis and San Antonio Original Fire Logo/Look: Some teams are built upon legendary championships, while others seem to thrive on disappointment, pain, and heartbreak. The Chicago Fire of the WFL are firmly in the latter. One of only 2 teams from the original 12 to never win a World Bowl, the Fire are even unlucky when they are winning. The Fire have made the playoffs on only 10 occasions in their 46 year history, and their high point as a franchise was in 1985, when they made it into their only World Bowl, only to be defeated by the SoCal Sun. And to make matters worse, the success of the 1985 Bears meant that the Fire's best season ever was largely ignored. The team began play at Soldier Field, but was unable to fill the large stadium. After several seasons playing at Northwestern's Ryan Field, the Fire arranged with the Chicago White Sox to return to the city by playing in New Comiskey Park starting in 1992. After over a decade in Comiskey, the Fire again relocated to what is now called Seatgeek Stadium, a stadium they share with the MLS's Chicago Redstars FC. The new stadium, with a limited capacity of 20,000 has proven to be the perfect home for the diehard and long-suffering Fire fans. The Fire uniform has changed only marginally in their 40+ seasons. Retaining a fire red and black color scheme, the uniform has always featured a red helmet and jersey. Over time the logo itself has had multiple iterations. The current logo originated in 1999 and features the original "Fire Man" with a new flame pattern and the famous Chicago "C" similar to the one worn by the Cubs and on the Chicago Theatre. The flames on the team pants have been around since 1984, while the striped sleeve, accented with a flaming logo has been a feature of the team since 1993. The newest element is a major shift in the helmet. For over 30 years the Fire helmet featured a stylized flame on the side and around the helmet's ear hole. But in 2010, the designers at Riddell and Under Armor worked with Chicago on their most recent design change, and at that time it was decided to move the flame to the center of the helmet, arcing from the front bumper to the back of the helmet. New helmet designs had made the side-flame decals increasingly difficult to manage. While the new design does not completely eliminate the need to work around cutouts and pressure points in the helmet, the process is much simpler. And while there are still some diehard traditionalists who rail on the change frequiently, the shift has generally been a popular one for Fire faithful. Notes: Yes, the Fire's flames are from the Tennessee Titans, but in this reality, the Titans do not exist. The Oilers relocated to Las Vegas in 1998. Also, the flame on the pants is from the USFL Wranglers, but with the success of the WFL the USFL never existed. Many of the USFL owners ended up in the WFL. You will hear about at least one of them later. Next up, another Central Division team, the Detroit Wheels.
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    Considering how many times I've seen that "Super Bowl LIV was riiiiiiged man" video pop up in my recommendations feed, there's a large market for people who need a mental health assessment. Clearly what they need is some shifty online mental health therapy sponsored by prominent YouTubers. No way that'll turn out to be a scam.
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    Dude wtf are you talking about. Their road uniform is literally green with cream accents, just a white wordmark and numbers. Their city edition is literally cream with green (and blue) accents, the statement uniform is primarily green and cream accents, all of the logos are primarily green and cream.... White has VERY LITTLE to do with the overall look. And Milwaukee is nicknamed cream city, hence the city edition jersey, so them going back to red after using the cream color would be a TERRIBLE look. The general consensus is that the Bucks have a top 10 easily, made top 5 look in the NBA. Their last set, using green and red, was one of the WORST according to the overwhelming majority. So "they look like an expansion team" is just utterly blasphemous.
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    Somebody made a concept (either posted to here or Twitter) that essentially added grey pants and reduced the size of the "ATL", and the uniform actually looked great. I wish I had saved the pictures, because they showed how details can really hold a look back.
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    And that's part of the problem; it's hard to gauge how viable a southern market really is if what teams it gets are complete dumpster heaps. Remember, Nashville and Carolina also used to be full of rumors about relocating to a different market (remember Balsillie and the Hamilton Predators saga) while they sucked, but now that they've got ownership and staff that are committed to making a fun atmosphere and a winning team culture, those markets have shown plenty of support for the Preds and Canes once the organization stopped being run into the ground. Arizona finally seems to be trending in that direction again after years of miserable ownership and horrible teams, as well. Atlanta had one team that was decent but only won two playoff games in their entire existence before being sold off and moved to pay the owner's other debts and a second team that was a cavalcade of horrific mismanagement that had all of three seasons over .500 and never even won one of the 4 playoff games that they managed to play in their entire franchise history. Somehow, I don't think either of those would be very enticing to casual fans, especially when you're deep in the middle of football country. Part of the problem with the Thrashers was, like with many southern teams at that time, the team both sucked on the ice and had all the marketing presence of a wet tissue paper because ASG never bothered to give them more than a shoestring budget. Had they had an actual budget to build a competetive franchise and weren't basically locked out of their own arena by the end, there's plenty of reason to suspect that it'd be Phoenix, not Atlanta, that gets sold to TNSE and goes to Winnipeg. The Thrashers' tale is more a cautionary story of how terrible management kills franchises than a condemnation of the Atlanta market, in my eyes.
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    CHARLOTTE HORNETS (1974-1981, 1995-2020. Played as Carolina Hornets from 1982-1994) Play in the Southern Division with Birmingham, Florida, Jacksonville and Memphis. Original Hornets Look/Logo: The Hornets have often been described as a nomadic team. After moving from New York midway through the WFL's inaugural season, the Hornets have played at 4 different stadiums. They spent 8 years playing in American Legion field, but the small stadium quickly became one of the worst in the league. In 1982 the team relocated to the Triangle region and renamed themselves the Carolina Hornets. Between 1982 and 1995 the team had two stints at NC State's Carter-Finley Stadium, and even played 2 years at Duke's Wallace Wade Stadium. When the WFL and the city of Charlotte agreed on building a new stadium in the Queen City, the Hornets returned and have played to packed houses in Charlotte ever since. Many believe the move was made to head off the NFL's intentions to expand to Charlotte, a move which never materialized as the NFL found itself forced to expand back into LA once the Rams and Raiders both left town. The Hornets logo remains unchanged since the 1975 season, but the uniforms have changed quite a bit since their early days. Charlotte is often cited as one of the first professional teams to don a "unitard" look, wherein the home and away uniforms are the same color from jersey to socks. This is heightened even more on the road when the Hornets don yellow from helmet to shoes. Charlotte is the only team in the league not to have a white jersey option after receiving a dispensation from the league office to use yellow as its "light" jersey back in 1982. In addition to the Unitard look, the repeated motif of the double chevron or double stripe is found throughout the uniform, including the color-contrast sleeves on the jersey. And, of course, as do all WFL teams since 2002, Charlotte has its city name emblazened on the chest of their jersey. Next up among our 12 Charter franchises, Chicago's home town team.
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    Finally, all the OCLAF teams are already shown. It has been great to be able to share them with the Community and I sincerely believe that your suggestions have improved them beyond my imagination. I would like OCLAF not to end here and I have some idea to continue making it grow (match schedule, mockups, expansions?) But now I must put it aside a bit because it has been almost two months focused solely on it and it is time for me to focus in other things: my wife, my job, Logolympiad (hehe) ... But before I die of curiosity to know which team has liked more. So since we are in Logolympiad time I want to ask all of you who have followed the list to tell me and tell which of the 32 teams you thought was best. Also which has seemed worse if you want. And of course I would like to know why. Always with constructivism please. You already know that the designer's ego is fragile, hehe. I link the teams here so you don't have to be looking for them by topic: NORTH CONFERENCE Scandinavian Division: Oslo Invaders, Copenhagen Princes, Stockholm Polars, Helsinki Stags. North-Central Division: Berlin Breakers, Munich Monks, Hamburg Protectors, Prague Golems. SOUTH CONFERENCE Iberian Division: Porto Explorers, Lisbon Atlantics, Madrid Royals, Barcelona Segadors. Mediterranean Division: Roma Wolves, Napoli Volcanoes, Marseille Sailors, Athens Mighties. EAST CONFERENCE Orient Division: Moscow Redstars, Kiev Cossacks, Bucharest Vampires, Istanbul Sultans. Central Division: Wien Devils, Budapest Imperials, Zagreb Rebels, Warsaw Lancers. WEST CONFERENCE British Division: Cardiff Dragons, London Corsairs, Glasgow Gaelics, Manchester Steampunks. Western Europe Division: Paris 89ers, Zurich Guards, Ghent Keizers, Amsterdam Merchants. Thank you all for your comments.
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    Black pants doesn't fix the tri-color sleeves, the side panels, or the pant stripes.
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    For being a basketball aesthetic forum, idk WTF yall talk about half the time. The red-green wasnt bad but it wasnt that great either. Cream/Green is still unique to the Bucks and is a FAR superior set to the Christmas Bucks.
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    I've been working on a concept for a potential fantasy team application. The team nickname would be the Grizzlies. At this point, I'm not sure where else to go with the logo. I have 5 different options right now so I thought I would bring it here and ask for some C&C on it.
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    Right, there needs to be a balance between the designer's personal mark and style and creating a varied-looking league. This is usually only a problem in concept leagues where the entire thing is done by one person, but sometimes you can begin to tell when a certain designer made a logo. For example, you can pretty clearly tell that the same designer made both the Pelicans and Hornets in the NBA (RARE Design, who've actually made a ton more logos I never knew about) which bothers me, but in the long run isn't a problem. (Funnily enough, they're also responsible for every logo in the NBA 2K League, which has the biggest "same-y" problem I've ever seen.)
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    Atlanta Falcons I think the Falcons were heading in the right direction with their new uniforms. The only thing I didn't like was the too large ATL and the red gradient jersey. For their redesign, I shrunk the ATL down a bit, while adding gold to the teams logo and uniform design. I also added the falcon wings to the shoulders, because I think it's a cool, unique look. Up next: TBD, might not go in alphabetical order, but I have others that are completed
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    My point is that Atlanta seems to be getting a far more gracious assessment from this community compared to Winnipeg when I showed up. There are still active posters who rolled their eyes back circa 2006 at the idea that the league would ever entertain a return to Winnipeg. And again, Atlanta's lost two teams. But we seem ready to say "yeah it could still work!" It is, as I said, a double standard. Despite the hard evidence proving, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Winnipeg > Atlanta as far as being a NHL market goes. If things were different they'd be different. What if the NHL didn't force the Jets and Nords south as quickly as possible? And yet the team is far more financially viable in Winnipeg. And technically the Blackhawks "lose" money too. I'm not interested in playing the "well actually" game but it's the internet so whatever. My point is that Atlanta (and other sunbelt markets like the Phoenix Metro Area) have gotten passes, second chances after second chances, and benefits of the doubt that Winnipeg, QC, and Hartford were never, and in some cases still aren't, afforded. I don't care about "what if's." I'm talking how even twice failed markets like Atlanta get the rosy "oh what we've lost" laments when many people were ready to burry Winnipeg forever until TNSE forced the issue.
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    Man, it’s gonna be fun when Giannis leaves Milwaukee for the Western Conference.
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    Exactly. I could understand the complaints about the scheme being too dark 20 years ago, but with HD/4K sports broadcasts & 12 megapixel cameras in everyone's pockets these days it shouldn't be an issue. I wouldn't say the Kachina look is perfect, but I have yet to see a concept that's actually an upgrade.
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    The only tweak the Kachina jersey needed has already been done, they toned down the clunky collar.
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    That's also because Atlanta Spirit ran the team into the dirt for years. Hard to really drum up a big fanbase in a Southern market when you're constantly terrible; we're seeing that with Florida now, as well, and the Coyotes were notoriously sparse in attendance during the 2000's because they were awful and had highly unstable ownership. The Thrashers could easily have succeeded had they not fallen into ASG's grubby little paws; they never dropped below 13,000 in overall home attendance through their time in Atlanta even with the godawful performances, though, so I'd say there was a decent amount of interest in the team for a franchise that spent most of it's life toiling in the doldrums. The main problem with the Thrashers was on ASG; they did basically nothing to increase the team's profile in the market, nothing to develop the team into a contender and nothing to draw people in who may not otherwise have watched the NHL. It's hard to draw fans when you have a shoestring budget to try and even ice a competitive hockey team. Had they become what Nashville is now, a team that's well-run, consistently competitive and enjoys a rabid fanbase, I'd think there's a distinct possibility that other owners might've come in to buy the franchise and keep it in Atlanta, causing the Coyotes to move back to Winnipeg. Instead, they became the Golden Seals; a team that was horrifically mismanaged and basically never competetive. I get that there weren't an insane amount of fans visible, but honestly, the only reason the NHL kept Arizona over Atlanta was one had a city bending over backwards to keep them, the other had an ownership group literally doing everything in their power to poison pill the team to any prospective buyers. That's really the only reason the Thrashers moved and the Coyotes didn't, even speaking as a fan of the latter.
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    The Alaska Amaroks would be an NHL expansion team, based in Anchorage, Alaska. Since the Sullivan Center is not big enough to host NHL games, a new arena would need to be constructed. The team would draw support from all around the state of Alaska (market size of about 750,000), as well as the Canadian province of Yukon. They would play in the Western Conference. The franchise would be the only Big 4 (American Football, Baseball, Basketball, Hockey) sports team in Alaska. An Amarok is a giant wolf in Inuit (Native peoples of Alaska and the North American Arctic) mythology. Main Logo: Wordmark: Uniforms: The pattern on the wordmark and the uniforms is based on an Inuit art theme, and also represents the mountains in Alaska. The uniforms all feature the Big Dipper, which is depicted on Alaska's state flag. C&C Welcome and Appreciated.
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    The old look was better. Still not ideal, but better. Their big mistake with that set was getting rid of the black jerseys and pants. This caused that set to start looking boring and stale, especially on the road, where the "stormtrooper" look was their only option anymore. Their road look was more balanced with black pants.
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    And finally here we have the last team from the Western Europe Division, the West Conference and the entire league: the Amsterdam MERCHANTS. The name of the team is associated with the important naval history of the Netherlands. For several centuries they maintained one of the most important colonial empires in the world thanks to their merchant ships. The color scheme was evident given the typical colors of the Netherlands. For the uniforms I have also been somewhat inspired by the New York teams that wear these colors: Mets, Islanders and over Knicks (his shirt is one of my three favorites in the NBA) The Merchants play at the Emporio Arena of Amsterdam. Mood Board: Logo, wordmarks, numbers and slogan: Uniforms and helmet: Alternative uniform and helmet: C&c welcome!
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    Those shiny green/red Bucks jerseys with the beveled word mark were atrocious.
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    I have a lot of issues with the current uniform, but the directions of the stripes isn't one of them. The main problem is the uniform has too much happening all at once. You've got contrasting color sleeves, the universally loathed side panel, the Broncos pant stripe, drop-shadowed numbers, and a contrasting color collar. All that PLUS tiger stripes are haphazardly slapped all over it. The white jerseys inexplicably use an orange yoke because "HEY IT'S 2004!" It's an incoherent mess. The best helmet in football, which nobody disagrees with, is the star of the show, but it has so much going on that the best way to use it is some understated jerseys and pants that don't steal attention from the BHiF. It's a football uniform, not a tiger costume.
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    Thank you guys for being so understanding, it really means a lot to me. CHARLOTTE HORNETS - Queen City Close Call After brief consideration during the Twins’ ill-fated Carolina venture (read more here), Charlotte began concentrating on an MLB stadium. The AAA Knights’ venue was aging, and in poor repair, so it made sense to go all-in with an upgrade. When the Marlins’ David Samson began touring various cities around the US, Charlotte was on the list. In April 2006, real estate lawyer Jerry Reese had a plan for a 38,000-seat retractable-roof venue in the uptown/Second Ward of Charlotte. That stadium would be the cornerstone of a $600 million-$700 million redevelopment called The Brooklyn Renaissance Project (which included condos and more retail space).1 However, the plan competed with a rival proposal to construct a stadium for the minor-league Charlotte Knights in the Third Ward of Charlotte.2 The city government, namely the mayor, wasn’t inclined to support the MLB plan. By the end of 2006, the city decided to move ahead with the $35 million stadium plan for the Knights.3 Reese criticized the city for this move and later sued to block the land transfers as “the deals were a sham that shortchanged taxpayers by not selling to developers for a higher price,” among other claims.4 That project would eventually become BB&T Ballpark, arguably one of the best minor league stadiums in the sport. Ultimately, Reese’s plan might have worked in the long-run. While financial statistics do not indicate that Charlotte could have supported MLB in the mid-’00s, trends would indicate that support could eventually arrive.5 Perhaps Reese was right to criticize Charlotte’s city government for backing out of an MLB plan, especially when we see the struggles of both the Marlins and Rays. However, banking on the Marlins’ game of baiting other cities was an ill-thought-out idea. But what if the Marlins were serious? What if Reese got his stadium plan done and brought MLB to Charlotte? Given the long history of the Knights name (dating back to 1989), I thought it would be best to keep the sobriquet and the medieval aesthetic. The colors are the current Knights’ colors, with the provision that gold, silver, and white never touch. Taking inspiration from this novelty helmet, a few blackletter fonts, and this knight’s helmet plume, I crafted both a logo and a wordmark font for the team. The primary uses a shield with the helmet and an Old English C, while the cap logo is that same gold Old English C paired with a silver and white plume. The uniforms use a simple placket and sleeve trim template. Wordmarks and rear numbers are gold with a black outline, while the front numbers are silver or white with a black outline. The number font is a modified version of the Tar Heels font I’ve used previously for the Reds. Sock stripes feature an asymmetrical design, with a black/white/back pattern sandwiched between a large gold and a large silver stripe. The alternates include a black jersey with the cap logo on the chest and the tertiary on the sleeve. A creme alternate also appears, mimicking the Charlotte Hornets of the 1960s. It reuses some elements from my old Carolina Pilots design. Outerwear reflects the sock stripes and the “no-touch” trick. Charlotte is lucky in having as good a minor league identity as the Knights. It only takes a little bit of work to get it up to the major league level. C+C is appreciated, as always! Up next, an Oklahoma City trip. 1 Peter Smolowitz and Stan Choe, “Big Pitch: Ballpark, Marlins - County Board Hears `intriguing’ Plan for Major League Baseball,” Charlotte Observer, The, January 19, 2006, sec. Main, https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=NewsBank&t=state%3ANC!USA%2B-%2BNorth%2BCarolina&sort=YMD_date%3AD&page=1&fld-base-0=alltext&maxresults=20&val-base-0=marlins charlotte visit&fld-nav-0=YMD_date&val-nav-0=2005 - 2009&docref=news/10F42656132A1CD8. 2 Carrie Levine, “The Big Pitch - Backers of 2 Plans for Uptown Baseball Must Prove Their Viability,” Charlotte Observer, The, February 5, 2006, sec. METRO, https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=NewsBank&t=state%3ANC!USA%2B-%2BNorth%2BCarolina&sort=YMD_date%3AD&page=1&fld-base-0=alltext&maxresults=20&val-base-0=marlins charlotte visit&fld-nav-0=YMD_date&val-nav-0=2005 - 2009&docref=news/10F9C0D5C977CC30. 3 Carrie Levine, “Land Deal for Ballpark Advances - Board Tells County Staff to Negotiate Final Deal,” Charlotte Observer, The, December 20, 2006, sec. METRO, https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=NewsBank&t=&sort=YMD_date%3AD&fld-nav-0=YMD_date&val-nav-0=2006 - 2006&fld-base-0=alltext&maxresults=20&val-base-0=charlotte marlins baseball reese&docref=news/116290364364F138; Andrew Shain, “Marlins Say Move to City Possible - Mayor Says He Doubts Charlotte Is Ready, Won’t Lobby for It,” Charlotte Observer, The, April 4, 2006, sec. Metro, https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=NewsBank&t=&sort=YMD_date%3AD&fld-base-0=alltext&maxresults=20&val-base-0=marlins loria charlotte stadium&fld-nav-0=YMD_date&val-nav-0=2004 - 2007&docref=news/110CDAFA4E325E70. 4 Victoria Cherrie, “Baseball Land-Swap Suits Tossed - Lawyer Had Sued to Block Real Estate Deal Meant to Clear the Way for Uptown Stadium Designs for $35 Million Facility Are Nearly Done,” Charlotte Observer, The, October 11, 2007, sec. METRO, https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=NewsBank&t=&sort=YMD_date%3AD&fld-nav-0=YMD_date&val-nav-0=2006 - 2007&fld-base-0=alltext&maxresults=20&val-base-0=charlotte marlins baseball reese&docref=news/11C3C60B0E9A9620. 5 Erik Spanberg, “A Major League Income Shortfall,” Charlotte Business Journal, February 2, 2006, https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/stories/2006/02/06/story1.html.
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