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    That's because the old logos lasted far longer than they should have, as two of the worst logos in the league. Even with all their flaws, the new ones deserve to stand far longer. The Carolina one yes I can agree had started to look very dated, and I'm not sure that the changes made last year will or have done anything to add longevity to it, but it did need looking at. But I'm sorry I dont agree on the Jags logo. It was imo one of the most original and creative logo's in the NFL. It's bold use of negative space being the key reason I loved it so much. In recent years, through gimmicks and people not understanding what it was that made the mark strong to begin with, that was undermined. The logo made no sense as soon as the pearlescent effect was added to the helmet, and I'm glad all the talk and rumour I have seen has that dying the death it so rightly deserves. The original Jags logo could easily have stood another 5 years or more without being touched if the original plain black helmets were reinstated. I dont believe the same is true of this incarnation, infact I doubt it will last 5 years before it's tweaked again! Between it's extraneous golds, it's inconsistencies, it's fiddly little details which wont translate to the majority of uses it'll be required for and it's rediculous proportions! Seriously it looks like it's been enlarged out of pro, at around 140% width to 100% height, which results in it looking more like a female house cat than a wild cat of any description I think the Jags have taken a serious backward step. Not to mention that no matter how flawed their previous logo was, and it had some, to my eye they have created more problems for themselves with this logo than they ever had with their previous one, which utterly defeats the purpose of updating a logo or rebranding. 9erssteve
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    For what it's worth, something like this would've been fine with me.
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    I saw this image on the Potomac Nationals Facebook feed via DC Sports Bog: Feel free to flame away!
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    No. If anything they need to eliminate one and go back to 4 per league. This isn't the goddamn NHL where over half the league makes the post season.
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    So let's measure them. Because no matter how often that first sentence is repeated, it does not become any more true. Measurable way #1: Embroidery applications. How, exactly, are those spot details going to be embroidered onto any garment when reduced to a 3" area? Which line will you be removing/reworking/editing in order to achieve a logo that reproduces well at lower scales? The same holds true for the outer ear details and the tongue detail off to the side of the teeth. With the thicker/bolder lines on the former mark, the logo could shrink down and still maintain visual integrity. This is not the case on the new mark. Since it is functionally inferior, this makes the new mark inferior on the whole. Measurable way #2: With the new level of cartoonish detail - the illustrative style - when applying the new mark to playing surfaces, the fine detail work will be lost since blades of grass/synth turf are variable. When that fine detail is lost in the application of the logo, it changes the mark, and thus, makes it inconsistent. Inconsistent logos are inferior logos. These are but a few of the measurable, quantifiable ways the new mark is inferior. To Billy's point, the fact that a pro football team is implementing these logos doesn't automatically exonerate them from technical errors that will prove difficult for outside agencies/output houses/graphics companies/etc. to handle with consistency. Depending on where Khan went for this design, they may very well have not thought about each and every application of the mark. Or, he may have just really liked this Bugs Bunny style and ramrodded it through. I've dealt with similar phenomena throughout my time in sports logo and general logo design projects. Regardless of the reason, the outcome is the same: A new mark that has problems in a very measurable ways.
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    "Hmm, this trace looks really good, Bob, but something's missing. It needs...SPEED, aggression, passion, ferocity. I trust you'll know how to add those elements in, Bob. We're trusting you with this. Don't let us down." CTRL+T and 30 seconds later "WOW BOB!!! Out of the PARK! Where do I sign?!"
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    While I don't necessarily think the term "clip art" applies, it does feel a lot like a piece of stock artwork to me. This is of course by no fault of the designer, but the same style (shadowing, and fine detail) is completely overused on sites like iStockphoto. And to put it frankly it's just not a style that I have ever enjoyed. Here's an example just to give everybody an idea of what I'm saying: There is not necessarily anything wrong with the way the logo has been drawn, in fact I think they've done a pretty good job. But I think this may be the reason some people are so turned off by it. It's for this reason, to me at least, that the new logo gives off a minor league, or high school feel. Not because of poor rendering, or messy line work, but simply because of the style it has been drawn in and the connotations that it has come to have.
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    CCSLC always has the better product. ALWAYS
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    I'm right there with you. The airbrushing trend's the plague of goalie mask design. This is a goalie mask... This is something you buy at the county fair when you're drunk.
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    The Caps have been absolutely atrocious against teams who've played the night before. Everyone FTFY.
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    I have family in Toronto. I'm well aware of the city's ethnically diverse makeup. I've visited it plenty. I still think Mongrels is a dumb name. Sorry. However you want to spin it you can't make Mongrels work. While the culturally diverse nature of the city is to be celebrated "mongrel" is only ever used in a negative manner. When it's applied to people it's usually used by xenophobes to describe people of mixed race or ethnicity. Toronto's diversity is part of what makes the city great, but I don't think this particular aspect of the city lends itself to naming a sports team. What else could you use? Toronto Melting Pots? It just doesn't work. Further I don't think Toronto's diverse nature means a name with ties to one ethnic community should not be considered. While Toronto's a better place because of its diverse nature there's no denying that certain groups have contributed to the city's history in significant ways. I don't see how honouring, say, the city's Irish community with a name like Shamrocks could be construed as disrespecting the city's other ethnic communities. I'm sure non-Irish Bostonians still root for the Celtics.
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    It looks like Nosferatu as a koala bear.
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    Yet, this game is NOT televised. What gives? Even weirder: Mexico's opener against Jamaica is on ESPN2... I know of the deal Mexico had with ESPN for it's games, but still. It's weird. It's on Bein Sport
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    The Maloofs are quite clearly the worst owners in the history of sports. Not only have they wasted all their money, screwed over a great market and supportive fanbase, and run a completely dysfunctional low-budget mess of an organization, they've also strung other cities along in their desperate attempts to spite Sacramento while wasting other people's money in the process. Dolan, Sarver, and Sterling look like Mark Cuban, Jerry Buss, and Mickey Arison compared to this piece-of-trash family.
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    Yes. To both. They're not going to box themselves in. Both are options they were pursuing. Obviously the former's ship seems to have sailed and the latter hasn't completely shaken out (ie: Seattle isn't ready yet and may not be ready for a long time thanks to Sacramento). But there is still Quebec who is ready to go now and possibly Markham.
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    It looks SO much better when it's simplified and bolder. Nice tweak.
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    Brand New has it up, Armin gave it a surprising review: http://www.undercons...acksonville.php some of the comments from readers . . .
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    So let's measure them. Because no matter how often that first sentence is repeated, it does not become any more true.
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    I have no gripes with the Islanders' crest. Every team doesn't have to be a master-planned masterpiece and some teams shouldn't. The logo has an endearingly semi-pro quality about it, like it was some local club team that worked its way into the league. As a hockey team on Long Island, they basically exist on the figurative periphery of the literal periphery, so it doesn't make sense to me for them to look well-designed for mass appeal. Let them just be whatever it is they are, slapped-up logo and all.
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    Looks like the Jags have Big Truck Syndrome haha.
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    The biggest issues I have with the new logo are, it's lack of consistencey, the amount of finiky and tiny extraneous detail, the fact the white areas on the top lip dont match, one side holds all the whiskers the other doesn't and worst of all the perspective on the nose doesn't seem to match the rest of the head. By lack of consistency I mean that various parts of the logo dont follow the same style. Take for example the lower jaw, bold sweeping lines, strong angles to suggest fur as with the previous logo. Then on the top of the head you have TINY thin cuts to create the fur effect, which will be a NIGHTMARE to reproduce at small sizes, on TV, when Embroidered etc. Personally I prefer the former style: bold, simplified, distilling things down to their essence. Explaining the item with as few lines and details as possible. That to me is logo design. With that said, if the ownership in Jacksonville wanted to go with what seems like the new trend and produce a logo like the Manitoba Moose one above then fine, go for it... but do it to the WHOLE LOGO, not just parts of it! Right now the whole thing reeks of a logo that someone else has tampered with. It doesn't have a complete feel to it. It's neither highly detailed, nor bold and simplified and as a result falls awkwardly between the two and imo fails as a strong logo. The change of angle doesn't bother me to much, the white on the lower jaw should actually help lift the logo, if as rumours suggest they're going back to a solid black helmet. The extra teal additions I quite like although they seem strange considering the team seems to be reducing it's teal usage everywhere else in it's branding package! While there are some things I like in this new version, all in all there are just to many inconsistencies and problem areas in this logo for me to consider it an overall up grade. 9erssteve
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    ramble_on: Words of advice from someone who taught himself virtually everything he knows about the field he now works in: learn to take criticism. You'll never get better unless you can take suggestions (harsh, passive aggressive, friendly, vague, helpful, what have you) in stride, and process those suggestions in a way that improves your process and final product. bigmike gave you good advice. Work on how you receive it.
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    No white outline on all black :
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    I am not putting myself on a high horse by any means. I am just telling you to put some more effort and time behind it. It is like vic furth was saying, do you think a guitar player that is just learning is gonna go out trying to play Crazy Train in a concert 3 days after he bought his guitar? It is great that you are starting to learn the program, but take some time to clean it up and and play around with it to understand it better. There are plenty of tutorials around here and things like that to help you get started. All I was basically trying to say is don't post something just for the sake of posting it, if you really want some good feedback, take some more time to learn your programs. You also need to be using a photoshop template or illustrator, whichever one it is you are actually using, that would help you tremendously, because it honestly looks like you made it in MS paint in about 5 minutes. I'm trying to help more than anything, go back and read my response without being so defensive. I actually like the helmet, it is the cleanest part of the concept and it looks good, the uniform though needs a lot of work IMO.
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    Gonzaga Michigan Ohio Northwestern Wisconsin Boston College Notre Dame Penn State UNC Louisville Texas Tech SFU Mizzou Towson NAU USC USC had outstanding presentation IMO!
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    I can't explain why, but I really liked this uniform for the Jaguars.
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    That's because people almost always reject change and then turn around and "warm up to it" later on. This logo would be praised and applauded if a member on here created it. Once you put the new and old logo side by side, it is an obvious massive upgrade
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    Here's the thing: If any concept artist on this board posted this everyone would applaud it. In other words, it's wonderfully designed. But, as stated above, it just is a tad too detailed and will look out of place with the rest of the logos in the sport. The wordmark is a different story, though. So lazy.
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    Nitpicking here (it's what I do best), but that IUPUI reference is incorrect. The more detailed version is considered a "Spirit" mark; it didn't replace the previous identity. Back on topic - I think I might like the new Jags logo better...maybe.
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    Amateur hour. Maybe the old logo looked like a cat coughing up a hairball but at least it was a well designed cat coughing up a hairball. This looks like a stock create-a-team logo you'd find on Madden or like something that would come up if you searched "jaguar clip art" on Google. I don't see that AT ALL. The old logo looked like a logo. The new one looks like an illustration you'd find in a colouring book designed to teach kids about animals.
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    As the Bullets logo has gotten older, the et has gotten better at boxing out ll for the rebound.
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    At this point, I'm thinking maybe the Islanders should just be one of those teams that doesn't have an alternate. Their default look is fine on its own, and clearly anything else this team tries ends up hit-or-miss at best. If they feel they absolutely need an alternate, an orange version of their home probably would be the best way to go IMO, although I'm still not sure if it'll turn out very well.
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    They put the chest logo on the wrong side...
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    How about the Toronto Too Kools? Have KOOL cigarettes be the official sponsor, go with a color pattern of neon pink, teal, plum, and red (but have the official shade called "Slut Red"). The mascot could be an educational tool for kids; something like Koolio the Kancerous Polyp. Any words that utilize C will be replaced with K; everybody in the building is required to wear sunglasses. Official goal anthem would be the Mambo No. 5, primary uniform crest would be Paul Rudd's face with a speech bubble saying, "Yeah!"
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    I took a stab at that logo once...
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    Maybe this is some kind of viral stunt to promote the new Star Trek movie that was advertised earlier. Super Bowl: Into Darkness
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    I agree, the pinstripe Pacers' look is far better than I ever gave it credit for. In comparison to the overly simplistic, characterless milquetoast sets they have now, you dang skippy they are. The yellow sidepanels really sey them off (on the primaries, anyway)...but that extra outline on the scripts and the numbers really muddied them up, almost to the point of being illegible especially when set up against those pinstripes. Overall, though, it was a good look—but it still wasn't better than the Flo-Jos.
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    I've explained many times that I have a varied taste, but whatever floats your boat, man. Yeah you've said that before. Yet that doesn't hold up to your posting record.
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    I've found this to be unpopular, but this Helmet/jersey is light years ahead of this The current ravens helmet is great IMO and that old logo looks so dated it's unreal. I don't get how people think that logo is better than the current. Sure the current one has some flaws but overall it's way better than the original logo.
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    While I don't feel quite as strongly, I agree that it's a very overrated jersey. I've never understood all the love for it, especially when it gets called the best look in team history. As an aside, I just realized now how bad it looks paired with the half-red gloves.
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    Vicfurth is not being a jerk by giving you criticism. You need to practice quite a bit on your uniform concept skills before presenting something like this. The helmet actually looks pretty good, its clean, not sloppy. The jersey and pants you are showing are just sloppy though, I mean come on you can look at the quality of other people's work on this site and tell that your presentation just does not look good at all. Programs are no excuse, I use MS paint and gimp for all of my concepts, but I really try to focus on the quality of it before I throw it out there. It is gonna take some time for you to learn, I was there once too, when I started on this board, my concepts were awful, I'd probably cringe at seeing what they look like now and I almost got ran off the boards when I first started posting cause I was being so immature and unwilling to listen to criticism. You have to be open to all opinions even if they aren't what you want to hear, they can help you become a better artist. For starters, I'd say you are using the wrong template, it looks like a paint template, not photoshop or illustrator. If you are really using illustrator, you can download vector files (I think?) and that would help with the quality of your work tremendously, there are even photoshop templates on this board. I have a paint/gimp template that I've been trying to convert to gimp for full use but its my first time working on a template like that so I've been tweaking it for the past two months and still haven't released it because I wanna make sure it is very user friendly and things like that. Point is, don't post something just for the sake of posting it, if you want it to be well received, then you should definitely improve the quality of it first. I understand you are just starting but that is not an excuse, I mean the uniform just looks awful, why is the template cut out in some parts, like under the jersey number? If you are using photshop you can layer numbers and things like that on top of the template and cut out the space around it. The numbers are too blocky, it looks like you just used the fill tool and stretched them out, and then the stripes look really bad, too thin and the quality of the pants stripe looks bad, you need to fit it to the template better. Obviously you need some practice. I'm not trying to be a jerk by saying that, but if you want your concepts to be taken seriously then you need to practice at the quality before you post anything.
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    Canada I don't know what exactly happened, but I was doing this set, and I saw a logo with letters mashed together interlocking, I thought I could do that. I did a crest, with a banner on the bottom. I had a maple leaf up top cut down for design purposes. Then, I did my letters in the center. It's pretty basic, but I'd like to get feedback! Adidas for the Canadian team! Simple adidas stripes on the shoulders, with a bit of color underneath the arm. Just simple stripes on the pants too, nothing crazy.
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