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  1. The. Angels. Are. Not. Leaving. The. Los. Angeles. Metropolitan. Area. They. Are. Not. Giving. Up. A. Two. Billion. Dollar. Television. Contract. Stop. Assuming. They. Are. Going. To. Vegas. Or. Portland. Or. Montreal. It. Is. Not. Happening.
    8 points
  2. 6 points
  3. Only because you’re used to it. The Los Angeles Rams moved to Anaheim in 1980 and no one cared that they kept the Los Angeles name. The NHL first began to be interested in Anaheim in the late 80s. The Minnesota North Stars proposed moving in the early 90s, and were planning on using the name “Los Angeles Stars.” That deal only got nixed because the NHL wanted that sweet, sweet expansion cheque from Disney. And Disney opted to name their team the “Mighty Ducks of Anaheim” to drum up publicity for the locale of one of their major resorts. Had the Los Angeles Stars relocation gone through, or had Disney just gone with “Los Angeles Mighty Ducks”? We’d likely think nothing of a team in Anaheim using the “Los Angeles” name. Again, the Rams did it for fourteen years and no one cared.
    5 points
  4. We're all the better here without the Raiders.
    5 points
  5. Another difference: LA's a lot bigger and has a few dozen more suburbs. As the map shows there's not a natural dividing line between the LA urban sprawl other than county jurisdiction lines. By the same logic we should have the Carson Galaxy and, in a few years, the Inglewood Rams and Inglewood Chargers. Anaheim's not even the largest city in Orange County. It's acceptable as a location in that it's the most well known city in OC but it's certainly acceptable to have a Los Angeles team there.
    5 points
  6. A hole in the ground is a better fit for the Chargers than LA is. Up to this point, the Chargers in LA have been an unmitigated indefensible disaster. Not even two years in and the franchise has already resigned itself to being the stepchild team. It may go down as the worst and most short-sighted franchise move in pro sports history before all is said and done.
    3 points
  7. 400M down to 150M isn't just a "revision", it's catastrophic. Even 400M seems lower than what I'd expect an NFL team in a large market to generate, let alone 150M.
    3 points
  8. Bumping, since there are reports that the NFL is still concerned about the Chargers' long-term viability in Los Angeles. Sources: NFL owners concerned about Chargers in LA (ESPN.com) Shocking, I tell ya. And that's what the NFL cares about.
    3 points
  9. Here is the New Golden State Ring Everyone has been waiting to see.
    3 points
  10. Oh yeah. With the Mouse on the prowl for any and all open Anaheim land, they would swoop in instantaneously and knock it all down should the property become available. I have no doubts on that.
    3 points
  11. I'll start by saying I'm in favour of Anaheim being used as the geographical identifier and I think it can be after so many years of being used as one, but it is definitely a Disney creation. Last season the Ducks put a bunch of old newspaper articles on their website ahead of this year's 25th anniversary from back when the team was announced. A few of the articles talk about what this new team will be called, including one where "Anaheim" is discussed with an Angels spokesperson being asked about it. I crudely cut and pasted it together here. Another article (which I linked to them above, they're all very interesting) talks to Eisner and then a Disney spokesperson after the team was conditionally approved but before it was official. One of the conditions of the official approval being Disney needing to get a deal done with an arena in Orange County/Southern California with the now-Honda Center being built for reasons unrelated to the Disney expansion team. (I like how [Disneyland] is added in before Matterhorn. Was the writer worried readers would think you could see it from the actual Matterhorn?)
    2 points
  12. The city of Anaheim was quite desperate to become "more well known", so they paid the Angels to take on their name. Fortunately, that licensing deal has long since expired.
    2 points
  13. Yeah, I don't think the Angels are going to move. They had either now or 2028 to opt out of the lease and with a local election on the way, why not opt out now and try to get something from a new mayor? They also just sunk a bunch of money into the stadium this previous season for new video boards, so kind of a weird move to do a major upgrade to the stadium and then want to leave. --- I don't know where I stand on what happens if they do move. I'd much rather have them stay in Anaheim, but I don't know if I would stop being a fan of the team if they were to move. The reason I became an Angels fan was because of the Ducks so I'm a fan of two local teams, but I'm not a local fan.
    2 points
  14. No, he's up. Which is partially why the Angels opted out now and said they'll negotiate next month with the new mayor and council. Also, low key info, Disney kind of wanted out of that hotel anyway. They weren't that mad about having to cancel the project.
    2 points
  15. We have. ——— Look, the Angels aren’t moving to LA proper. There’s no space and no one willing. I actually think it could be kind of detrimental considering that large majority of the fan base they’ve built is to the South (OC) and to the East (Riverside) of DTLA. And I’ll guarantee the majority of those people aren’t driving up to LA for 81 games a year. The City of Industry/Grand Crossing idea is interesting, but that 57/60 interchange is its own special kind of hell without something actually going on there. Elsewhere in the IE would be interesting too, but again, you start to alienate the core of Angel fans that currently exist in OC. Taking the 91 out of OC at 5 pm any day of the week again is a special kind of hell. The only in-OC/non-Anaheim option that was ever sort of seriously pursued was Tustin. Which I mean there’s space to do it and it’s actually closer to where I live, however, Tustin also isn’t coughing up any public dollars and putting a professional stadium in Tustin is... weird. Just weird. You’re really getting into suburbia at that point. And if anything, it’d give them even less claim to “Los Angeles” than they already have. So, it’s Anaheim or bust, I think. I probably overreacted in the first post because I was kind of seeing red, no pun intended. Something will get worked out. Whether it’s upgrades or building in the parking lot, something will happen. But if not, really, kick rocks Arte. It’d be one way to kill the baseball in this sports fan.
    2 points
  16. Massive waste of resources? An entire economy based around paying people very little to accommodate the ultra wealthy? Poorly planned transportation system? Fattening foods and chains as far as you can see? Not sure about your "until" there. I know that there are municipalities that like the idea of baseball, but I can't imagine any North American city (even Montreal?) paying for a new baseball stadium. In 2018 I feel like we're all smarter than building single-use stadiums for a sport that has evolved into four teams competing against the rest aggressively not.
    2 points
  17. 2 points
  18. If this team moves to Las Vegas I'm done with all sports forever.
    2 points
  19. What options would they have for a move? The location the Raiders and Chargers wanted? Are they just thinking of getting the cost of rent knocked off and some money for renovations instead? I think that makes more sense.
    2 points
  20. The main thing I learned from this article is how badly the NHL wanted to be in Nashville.
    1 point
  21. If the Chargers move to Las Vegas to freeload off of the Raiders' new stadium, it would cement the Chargers as the most pathetic franchise in the NFL.
    1 point
  22. https://www.upi.com/Archives/1996/04/17/Michigan-possible-home-for-NHL-Whalers/9859829713600/
    1 point
  23. The Pistons play in Auburn Hills, not Detroit. The Giants play in East Rutherford, New Jersey, not New York. The Angels are "Los Angeles" because that was their original name and they're part of the Greater LA Metro Area.
    1 point
  24. The Raiders and Rams have long history and strong fanbase in Los Angeles. The Chargers played one year in LA prior to their move so virtually no history, or fanbase. Had it been the Raiders joining the Rams in LA I think the story may have been very different than what we are seeing with the Chargers. I dont think the Chargers should have left San Diego. Where could the Chargers go if they dont stay in LA? Depending on what happens with the stadium measures on the ballot for November they could have a chance to return to San Diego. With the Raiders going to Las Vegas, they could see about a new stadium in Oakland but the Coliseum is out of the question at this point. I dont think Sacramento would be strong enough to support an NFL team, but I know they tried to lure the Raiders I think in the late 80s/early 90s. Portland, San Antonio, or Orlando would be other options.
    1 point
  25. I'll say it until I'm blue in the face: Chargers in San Diego Rams & Raiders in Los Angeles
    1 point
  26. I’m a huge fan of the Chicago Athletics look, the simple forest + white color scheme immediately has a classic feel to it that works perfectly. I’m not entirely sure on how I feel about the Seattle Sox, I will always love that scheme but something seems “missing,” I guess. If you could, I’d love to see how that set would look with striping similar to the real-life Sox away uniforms, like you tried with the Germanic Milwaukee Sox. I feel like that would help put the concept over the top but I would understand if you want to keep the headspoon piping. The Toronto Giants look great all-around, a pretty perfect blend of the Jays and Giants. Either of those color schemes would be fantastic, black/orange & royal/kelly are two of the best schems out there.
    1 point
  27. It’s absurd to think the Angles would leave, considering that it’s been proven that teams can make tons of money in the LA region even being second or third fiddle and not trying, as long as they have a nice lease somewhere (see - Clippers). Unless the owner had a personal reason to move the team, it’s difficult to envision him making more elsewhere, especially Vegas.
    1 point
  28. Let's hold off on the London Jag-you-ares rumors.
    1 point
  29. 1 point
  30. Because the New York and Los Angeles markets are large enough that they can handle two teams. Thats why MLB, NFL, MLS, NBA have two clubs for those markets. The NHL has three in the New York market, which I honestly think is overkill but its working. Southern California has the Dodgers, and Angels and even the Padres about 2 and half hours away in San Diego. Putting a fourth club in SoCal would be oversaturation of the market. There are also other markets in the US and Canada that deserve and could support a MLB club than adding a third club to Los Angeles. The issue with Los Angeles in the NFL is that nobody in LA wanted the Chargers. They have embraced the Rams as they previously played in the market for years and they wanted the Raiders to return. Had the Raiders moved to LA instead of the Chargers both clubs would have thrived in LA and we could have seen the Chargers either stay in San Diego or head for Las Vegas.
    1 point
  31. I will be stunned if the Angels leave Anaheim simply because no other market would give them a better option. A stadium deal is sweet, but long-term it's your market size that matters the most, especially in a sport like baseball where so much of the revenue comes from local television. I always hear people bring up how the Browns moving to Baltimore is a move that shouldn't have happened. From a fan's perspective this is an easy argument to make, but from a financial one, the move to Baltimore long term has made the franchise more valuable. The lousy move from that time I don't understand is Bud Adams moving the Oilers from Houston to Tennessee. Regardless of what the stadium situation would have been in Houston, its the sixth largest metro area in the country. Where do you think you're going where you're getting a better situation than that? For the last decade or so, the Texans have consistently been one of the ten most valuable teams in the NFL, while the Titans have been one of the ten least valuable teams in the NFL. Once Houston built a new stadium and made it a level playing field with Nashville, it's not even close regarding which market you own an NFL team in. It's much the same I see with Orange County. The only other market I could see matching Orange County would be Northern New Jersey. That will never happen because of the Mets and Yankees territory rights over the area. After that its a tossup between Portland, San Antonio, Austin and Charlotte as I see it. To a lesser extent Vancouver and Montreal. Possibly even Mexico City depending on the circumstances. But in every case, I would much rather stay put in Orange County than take a chance on any of these places regardless of the stadium they were presenting.
    1 point
  32. Not a chance. They're not gonna put a 3rd team in the LA market
    1 point
  33. The Angels say they're going to wait until after next month's election to talk to the mayor and city council and evaluate their options. They also say that they're not set on leaving and aren't trying to pressure the city into renovations, to which I call bull because that's exactly what Arte Moreno has been trying to do from Day 1. Look, I get it. Angel Stadium is the fourth oldest in baseball, and with another boom of stadiums, could stand to be majorly updated or replaced with a sparkly new one. However, Anaheim has been pretty hard line on this especially since Arte took over (and especially when we went through the whole "of Anaheim" fiasco). Not to mention with the current climate in California, I see no reason that Anaheim will give up anything. You look up and down the state and there just isn't public money going into stadiums anymore, and you look right up the freeway and see what the Rams (and Chargers) are building in Inglewood on their own dime, I just don't see what Arte thinks he's going to get done. On the other hand, sure. Anaheim has bent over backwards in the past for Disney and Disneyland, but there's also been a bit more push and pull with that lately. This either ends one of three ways: 1) They negotiate with the new council and Arte agrees to pay/build a brand new stadium 2) The new mayor/council lick Arte's boots and give him anything and everything he wants to "please, please, please, pleeeeaaasssseeeee don't leave" 3) The Angels are gone. Not to Tustin, not to any where else local. They're gone. I do love the Angels. I do. I also hate Arte Moreno. I don't want the city to give in and let this guy that's bullied and diminished the city and dried this team out on a vine get what he wants and win. It would also crush every bit of me to see the Angels leave. But if they did, I know where to squarely put the blame, and its not a different target than I've already had. you, Arte.
    1 point
  34. Sorry for the delayed response. More excellent work here! While I can't say I like it, the first Nationals set feels very 90s-tastic. The navy & gold to match the Capitals and Wizards of the time is a good move. Your Padres-Nats set is a pretty cool idea, though I feel the DC flag and home-plate didn't work super well. I think the tertiary works best. The Chicago A's are a good combo of Athletics and White Sox. Love the pinstriped home, and the forest green works wonders. Your Seattle White Sox (SeaSox!) looks really good but it just feels like a good Mariners concept with "Sox" on it. Pinstripes might help. I'm not a big fan of the batterman, but you adapt it well. Love those navy+kelly colors! Your Toronto set does a good job of combining the Blue Jays and Giants. I can really see this team doing what the Jays have done, with their shift to Canada imagery only away from any local stuff... Totally second your sentiment about losing the Jays identity... ? That font looks great for the Raptors! Could we see it on Toronto FC or the Argos, perchance? That What if logo feels like it's from the Japanese league!
    1 point
  35. Pictures of the jerseys for these games: Source: http://dailyhive.com/calgary/hitmen-calgary-corral-2019
    1 point
  36. New titans'... concentrate on he Columbia blue, add a Greek pattern.
    1 point
  37. I have this idea for some time and would love some opinions about it: It's an alternate universe type of series about "soccer" in the US. In this universe, "soccer" is the english word for Futsal. The NASL was founded in the early 60's (in real life it was 1968) as a futsal league, with similar rules as the ones we have today. The league would evolve over the years, and the sport would be as popular as today's NBA. It would be cool to test some rules concepts like, for example, a hockey style offside line. Design-wise the uniforms would be more "american" style in the sense of wordmarks over actual badges and stuff like that. Also, courts would evolve in the same sense as basketball courts have, with use of colors and patterns (even ads on the sidelines in the more recent ones). For the teams, I would probably use some of the original NASL and MLS identities, with some tweaks of course. If I end up doing it (I have some stuff sketched out already) I'm not even sure if it would be a "fan fiction" type of series (not really planning on simulating results and stuff like that) or just do the uniforms and teams from each era.
    1 point
  38. Corrected your post. Please try to be more accurate in the future.
    1 point
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