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  1. Everything about this seems...underwhelming? It still strikes me as the first draft of something you would have seen in the Concepts section five-eight years ago. The whole thing strikes me as rather plain, given the marketing emphasis on colours. The murals have bold usage of neon red and blue against black, but the logos, wordmarks, and uniforms use these insubstantial keylines. The idea that the red and blue will “glow”? I don’t buy it. Even in the era of HD tv. It’s going to be a struggle to get the intended effect during living tv and for a crowd watching the game live. Nothing about this strikes me as a brand that could last 50 years. It seems...trendy isn’t the right word, because it already looks a bit outdated in my opinion. It just seems like the sort of thing that will end up looking rather tired sooner rather than later, and they’ll be right back to the drawing board.
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  2. Apart from whatever cultural implications, that C looks like a staple gun misfire to me.
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  3. To me, it's saying that "indians" write with sticks or are cavemen or something. "Primitive" is right. Not sure we should be classifying cultures as 'primitive' - especially in this case. Is it as bad as Wahoo? That's subjective, and my answer would be no, but it's still south of the acceptability line, which makes puts it off limits.
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  4. Oh here we go with this trash again. This thread is about the rebrand. Keep your assumptions about Jeter's plans out of here and give him time to prove he's not Jeffrey Loria. To me he's already proved that.
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  5. Let's use Dressed to the Nines to corroborate that. Apologies in advance for the image bomb. -1909 features the debut of the "NY" on the sleeve: -1912 features the appearance of pinstripes, only for them to drop off the next year, then return two years later): -1917 sees pinstripes w/ no chest insignia appear, with the basic road uniform appearing in 1918. A pinstriped home cap appears in 1919 and 1921, while the 1927-30 teams used a "Yankees" wordmark on the road uniform: -1935 features the last non-insignia home uniform, with the 1936 team restoring the "NY" to its proper place: I would say that your statement is not entirely accurate. The modern look didn't stick until the 1930s, but the pinstripes long predated the decade. The 1930s were a great period of codification for many of baseball's classic looks. The Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, Cubs, Tigers, and Dodgers all debuted designs/colors that would reappear throughout the ensuing years: Back to the original point of your post, none of those "classic" teams got it right the first time (not counting the Orioles for the Yankees). Here are their 1903 (year of first World Series) looks, with the Cardinals tossed in (I'm not going to go into the boatload of birds-on-bat variations and how the modern version is a descendant of the 1956 script redesign): I must admit, I wouldn't mind seeing the Yankees break out that road uniform in Spring Training or against a similar pre-1910 uniform set. "Got it right the first time" only really works if we're talking about post-1961 expansion or relocation changes. The Marlins didn't even really get it right the first time, with the teal being overpowering on the set from 1993-96. The 1997 tweaks put it over the top (if you're following the thread, you know what they did). I'd argue that a teal-billed cap on both home and road sets would have been the perfect hat (as well as a teal jersey and all-teal hat for select home games), but '97 was closer to a strong brand than '93.
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  6. Minnesota it is! Minnesota Wild This set was influenced by the North Stars history and the Wild's Stadium Series uniforms. I brightened the shade of forest green a bit, ditched the cream in favor for white, and swapped out red for the North Stars' green. The alternate's jagged arm striping is taken from the primary logo's shape. And while I think most will hate the "State of Hockey" patch, I think it fits in well with the Wild's brand and adds to the desecration. C&C appreciated!
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  7. I’m not saying that. What I’m saying is that “just go back to it” doesn’t work for the Marlins. With the Mets, Blue Jays, and Phillies, they had plenty of sustained success in their “vintage” looks and were coming off of dated designs (the Mets’ BFBS additions to their classic wordmarks and scripts, the Phillies’ 1970s kitsch, and the Blue Jays’ big step outside their aesthetic tradition (blue-centric with split lettering) that included BFBS and a shortened team script). I have absolutely nothing against traditional looks. With the Marlins, I want to see something new. Something that symbolizes a fresh start for the team as Miami’s team would be best. Forget about Huizenga’s big fire sale that killed sustained success after 1997, forget about Loria’s two fire sales/preferred color scheme, and forget about the constant legal and financial quagmires the team has had. This set comes close to capturing a new ethos, drawing from something not often seen in baseball (light, near-neon accents on a bunch of black). Would I want tweaks? Sure! Team name on the home set, a few details adjusted on the cap logo, no separate primary logo, and a blue script with light red shadow on the black jersey would all be great ideas. Nostalgia and modernizations of classic looks aren’t always the solution. The Marlins are a team that can really push a modern identity, and they’ve come close here. There’s more potential here than with a modern overhaul of the 1990s set.
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  8. How about no? The “primitive cultures” font is almost as much of an issue as Wahoo was, IMO. Besides, it’s ugly ‘70s kitsch.
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  9. You absolutely have the right to say whatever you want, I'm not stopping you. But you're also making assumptions on Jeter and his ownership of the team 13 months into his run and based off what the previous owners did. There's absolutely nothing wrong with Jeter wanting to rebrand the team with a new identity, the fact that there were 2 identities before him isn't his fault. You're assuming this is a distraction from the on field product and I find that laughable. His plan now is for this to be the longterm definitive identity and the one that becomes associated with stability, success, and not making the mistakes that previous owners made. Give the guy a chance before you make ignorant assumptions.
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  10. I don’t mind alternate uniforms. I don’t mind changing up combinations week to week. Hell, even a tasteful BFBS or GFGS alt is acceptable if it looks good. But I should never turn on a game and think “Why the hell is TCU playing Wake Forest in November?”
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  11. That’s what “slate gray” means, a bluish-gray. Just like “teal” means a light greenish-blue. And as with teal, the exact ratio of color to color is up to each individual curtain company to decide.
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  12. I’ve never understood the love for that ’70s C. It might not be as generic as the Block C, but that doesn’t also mean it’s actually any good.
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  13. In a multitude of settings, they look phenomenal. In a number of baseball settings, it's going to be quite a strain to read those black-on-black names.
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  14. Scott Darling's "Whalers Night" gear has been posted. Great homage to Sean Burke. Excited to see it in action.
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  15. The Nets debuted their Biggie-inspired City uniforms tonight, and even had matching Coogi pattern arm sleeves:
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  17. Yes. In a league with the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Cubs, A’s, Royals, Blue Jays, Mariners, Cardinals and Pirates (whenthey actually wear their primary uniforms) there’s no way that Clelevand is top 5. Though I disagree with the idea that they’re competing for worst in the league.
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  18. Woof, that new cap looks AWFUL. Is the black part of the M just negative space?
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  19. The Marlins' new number font--or at least certain characters within it--remind me a lot of the Motre Bame Milwaukee Brewers (one of my favorite identities from the past, so definitely not complaining): (Think I might've stumbled upon CCSLC member jaha32's username inspiration!) As for the overall aesthetic... I've had two or three days to take this in. I think the Marlins stepped up to the plate swinging for the fences. I think they hit a ground-rule double with one RBI--but had they made better contact, they could have hit a 3-run homer. Someone mocked up a version of the blue and black jerseys with white keylines. That one small change alone made the whole jersey that much livelier. (They could even use glitter silver, to harken back to their original days, in that application to great effect). Up close, the detail in the scripts, numbers and sleeve trim look great. From distance, however...they may as well be another black and _______ team. (Kinda like in '03 when they won the World Series...the teal was barely noticeable--but 21-year-old me was all jazzed up about that! So yeah...add one more to the "nostalgia" column for that one.) I'm still not completely sold on the execution of the scripts, namely the terminals of some of the letters when the "M" has sharp pointed terminals (or semi-serifs, I guess?). But that's nitpicky stuff. One thing for sure, though: blue brims would do wonders to bring out at least one of their colores. And did they explore the idea of blue placket piping? That'd be at least one other way to get some more color in there. As it is, it's okay, but I'm not particularly moved by it. That said, I still haven't seen a jersey up close, so I'll see next time I happen by a sporting goods store.
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  20. But wait... they've by their own reporting signed 600 players already. Enough to give each of the 8 teams a 75 man roster. So why are they conducting tryouts and charging people for the privilege? Especially since they're allegedly so well capitalized, per Charlie Ebersol? Hmmmm...
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  21. The greys look like the Diamondbacks' alt greys from the back, and the Art Deco M looks worlds better with the two side-by-side. This is not the best. Experiment: close your left eye, or your right if that one closes more easily for you, and lean back in your desk chair (or do the equivalent for being in phone) and look at the two caps. The one on the left basically becomes a plain black hat. Not good!
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  22. Here's the road uni and PANTS... they've got the same sleeve piping along the pants, very good there... Check out @Marlins’s Tweet: The script looks great here but again the trim is hard to see. The numbers look good because the red trim is more noticeable. Still think a not black front number would help. I'm over the collar piping too as i perused other teams unis and was stunned by how many teams have sleeve piping but no collar piping.
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  23. didn't like this logo only style in 2002, still don't like it now. Looks like practice gear.
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  24. In nature it can often have a bluish tint to it. Looks better - they're just kind of empty otherwise. I'm sure they'll come eventually - 100% with you on the blue hat/black bill. I listened to the interview - she never specifically said "this color is home, this color away, etc", but she said they showed "home, road, alt, and bp jerseys", and from that' you can deduce which is which. I was in South Beach last night, and this is clearly the effect they were going for:
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  25. Anyone see what Paul Lucas said about the 2012 -18 unis? How he disliked them at first but they were starting to grow on him and now it's weird to see them go? That it doesn't feel like "good riddance" like we thought it would? I feel like many of us can relate to that thought.
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  26. The last time I went cap shopping, I found that nearly all of the ones I sorted through were defective in one way or another. Most of it was random/missing threads and misaligned seams. Is it common for New Era caps to have this many flaws? I had assumed that they were already manufactured overseas and was floored that they cost $36.
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  27. I've seen the critiques here of the 90s wordmark and I happen to disagree with them. In fact, I think it's quite nicely executed and it's always been easy on my eyes. And, no, that's not nostalgia talking. I think the overall design is much better integrated than in the current rebrand where the M looks completely detached. If the Marlins were to go retro, I think they would need to do a nearly full redesign anyway in light of the name change. Obviously the cap logo and road gray wouldn't even work. They'd still mostly need to start from scratch aside from sticking to teal and a classic baseball look. Something in the spirit of the 90s with a little modernization would have been amazing and would not have looked lazy at all IMO. I think for me that solid teal wordmark on the home white is stylish, bold, and quintessential Miami. This doesn't even look that dated to me (you can always pair with black cap if you think it's too much teal):
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  28. Most of the Vicis helmets have this problem.
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  29. I don't know anything about baseball, so excuse me if I broke some cardinal rule of baseball uniforms. Quick and dirty "fix" to add some contrast to the tops with the addition of white outlines. Also tried to make the blue more consistent with the others.
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  30. It’s a “Jazz” Solo cup in jersey form.
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  31. Good call on the ABA, except for one. I don't think this one qualifies. The "N" is clearly upper case, even if that particular font uses a lower case-ish style. If the initial letters were the same size as the rest, then maybe it would fit.
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  32. Thanks for all the feedback, guys. Next up, the Chicago Bears! As a diehard Bears fan who sees no reason to make significant changes to their look, this was definitely a challenge. In order to make an original concept to one of the oldest franchises in the league, I had to make sure the changes I made were rooted in tradition. My goal here was to create a set that harkened back to the "Monsters of the Midway" era of Chicago football, when the Bears were a perennial powerhouse. I based this set of off their 1936 road uniforms, one of the most distinctive looks from the pre-Super Bowl era. The shoulder striping pattern from this uniform is applied to the entire set. The jersey numbers are a block version of their classic font. The sans-serif look wasn't quite hard-nosed enough for this look. I designed a new bear logo that takes cues from the uniform striping and classic wishbone C. A more symmetrical version of this C appears on their alternate helmet. The stars from the Chicago flag appear on the back of the helmet to inject some city pride into the set. The helmets are closer to the finish the Browns have, in lieu of the hi-gloss shell. The orange alternate is to be worn once a year the Sunday before Halloween. Mixing and matching between the home, road, and alternate is encouraged, as seen below. Ideally, they'd wear the road uniforms once or twice at home too, I also did a quick mockup of how the shoulder striping would look in action, since its pretty unconventional. Let me know what you think!
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  33. I'm sure it's not a popular opinion around here but I'd rather have players running around with a giant ad on their shirts than cut away from the game every minute and a half for a commercial break.
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  34. I can't bring myself to spend nearly 40 dollars on a baseball cap.
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  35. https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/banking/article221783230.html NEW: OLD: I think it's a good evolution - having everything line up on the flag fixes an issue that bugs me every time I see it. I'm hoping they'll have a better solution for applications on solid red or blue backgrounds:
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  36. So last night my high school played (and lost in three overtimes) Lewisville. I was there at the game when I noticed this atrocious thing, . So I decided to try to clean it up and resulted in this,
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  37. I am a child, so I laugh every time I log into my credit card account by going to bofa.com.
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  38. The bigger stroke/outline on the numbers looks so much better - you know, so you can actually see the colors. --- Here are a few pics I've taken after getting some of the merchandise.....the blue is the same as the current blue jersey. The colors DO pop in bright lighting: They start to dim/get lost quickly though in less-than-ideal lighting conditions. I guess luckily the team will be in bright lights in uniforms on the field.
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  39. Looking at the uniforms now, I’m starting to realize they remind me a lot of the Twins home uniforms, and a lot of the problems that comes with it: Both have a color scheme that we ideally would like to see work, but the colors might unfortunately just end up muddling together from a distance with the way the outlines and shadows currently are colorized. Also, I think this set shows that baseball desperately needs to modernize some of its design conventions. The piping on the sleeves is way too small to really mean anything, to the point where the colors muddle together and are indistinguishable on uniforms such as the Twins and Marlins. If the sleeve stripes were even the size they were on the original ‘93 road uniforms, it would be a significant improvement.
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  40. I'm guessing they will still be in competition with Arizona for worst unis in mlb.
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  41. Or banking off of nostalgia, trying to distract fans from the real problems facing a rebuilding team and a new ownership group. Some would say "return to form," I'd say "pandering." Heck, the teal-heavy look's criticism is often lost in the history of the '93-'02/'03-'11 identity. Too much of that bright teal proved to be a problem for some. If the team had to bring back the set full-time, they'd go with the black caps and accessories of the 1997-'03 variant. While the teal may be a "quintessential" Miami (or South Florida suburbs, if we're being honest) color, it just doesn't work with the whole "neon colors among Miami's nights" theme. I think the latter is far more compelling than the former, when done correctly (which it sort of was with this redesign). Also, that "Marlins" wordmark from '93-'11 is a typographic trash heap. @Gothamite has pointed out its flaws repeatedly and I agree that it should be left in the past.
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  42. Edit: Here's a graphic with all the elements together
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  43. A missed opportunity here is to make the keys the Coogi pattern...
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  44. Nice to see Nike found a use for those leftover mid-2000s era Penn State jerseys.
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  46. OKC needs to do a logo & uniform set rebrand based upon these City uniforms, immediately.
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