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    Because amateur graphic designers don’t get a brief from the team. They don’t have to answer to an art director, let alone a creative director who may be completely removed from the project. They don’t have to work with a separate uniform design team. They don’t have to compete with other designers on their own team who are also trying to get their work on the field. They don’t have to build a presentation deck explaining their thought process (props to those who do, of course). They don’t have to present their work to league marketing officials or game operations staff. They don’t have to present their work to the team’s marketing executives, merchandising team, equipment manager, front office executives, presidents, CEOs, or owners. They don’t have to revise their work based on the opinions of any of those dozens of people previously mentioned. They don’t have to revise their work again. Or again. Or again. They don’t have to design within any sort of cost or margin constraint. They don’t have to spec measurements, colors, materials, or embellishments, nor do they have to have any of those things individually developed and cost-quoted for manufacturing. They don’t have to go through the process of physically sampling the product and revising it based on their own evaluation or that of any of those dozens of people previously mentioned. They don’t have to rely on a catalog with a TBD image and a team of salespeople to convince retailers to buy hundreds or even thousands of their bread-and-butter item sight unseen. They don’t have to do it for 8-12 teams and/or events every season (not to mention 60+ uniforms in a switchover year). They don’t have to stay motivated after they work for weeks or months on a project and the team responds with, “No, thanks!” They don’t have to grapple with the fact that 95% of the work they do is essentially a waste and wonder where their life and career went after a few decades of grinding... I’d say that covers the main reasons.
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    Perhaps after agreeing to sign with the Jets, Anthony Barr was told what the new uniforms were going to look like and he was like "Nope. I'm out," and went back to the Vikings. Makes sense right?
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    I'll never understand why some people on this forum flip out about the usage of black in these uniforms. They never wore black jerseys. Never wore black pants. Never wore black socks. Yet the minor amount out black used with these in relation to the green and white has been vilified and tagged BFBS *sighs and shakes head*
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    Well, um... at least the 1969 one was nice.
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    Now that everyone agrees the Browns are the best football team ever assembled, I think it's high time they burned their embarrassment of a uniform and went back to what the Browns are supposed to be - clean, classic, and simple. As such, here's a uni-swap with Odell Beckham, Jr. into a concept Browns uniform that heavily features the triple stripe made by the helmet shell and helmet stripe. And not much else. As it should be.
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    Or, you know, the Jets requesting new “hip with the kids” uniforms, and working with Nike throughout the design process to make sure they get what they want. I don’t see this with any other manufacturer. So, why is every single thing Nike does seen as them forcing their designs on helpless teams, but if any other maker is involved it’s correctly seen as the two working together?
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    Hey guys, After seeing the Mint Julip hats back on the last page, I just wanted to take this time to give a quick shout out to the Montgomery Biscuits. The Biscuits were so ahead of the curve on the anthropomorphic local food item logo. The logo below is from 2004. Now? The shark has been jumped over and back again. The horse has been mercilessly beaten into the ground. Montgomery Biscuits, I'm sorry that so many teams are infringing on your territory. I'm sorry now that you may unfairly get lumped in with the other unoriginal food logos. Your logo was great and clever. It made me laugh. It still does. Stay strong.
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    I am starting "another" MLB thread, but the catch here is the concepts are modeled after the college baseball nike designs. This means a ton of options, fauxbacks, and non-traditional designs. The first team is the Houston Astros, a team many college programs model uniforms after. I took a page out of the NCAA's book and brought back the rainbow guts with a modern twist. Additionally, the more traditional options have added a shooting star above the team names. C&C are appreciated, but any edits will be about 2 months out.
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    So I rolled along and made a final version of everything. I cleaned up the logos and scripts from pages 4 and 5. I ended up going with font A from page 4. I don’t usually like italic numbers or completely round fonts, and font B was both of those things, so as much as I tried to like it to get some more blue on the jerseys, I just couldn’t get myself to like the font. So I went with the font based of the primary logo. Hats: Two hats, but both are similar. Both have black crowns with the fish-only logo, but one has a blue bill and button, the other swaps in pink. Jerseys: A whopping 5 jerseys, in white, gray, blue, pink, and black. The white and pink jerseys have the Marlins script, the gray and black jerseys have the Miami script, and the blue jersey has Miami, swapping pink and blue for better contrast. On the sleeves, the jerseys have a striping pattern that replicates the scripts, going thin black-thick blue-thin black-medium pink-thin black, with blue and pink swapped on the blue jersey. Pants: Three pairs, white, gray, and blue. All pairs have striping down the side matching the jerseys and belts are colored to match the socks, which come in blue, pink, and black. Rules: Ah yes, rules for the uniforms. The bill of the caps should match the socks/undershirts unless black socks are being worn (because there isn't a solid black cap). While black socks and undershirts are an option, they should be avoided. Ideally, blue would be the most common choice, with pink a close second, and black being worn only when necessary, such as with the blue pants or black jerseys. All three colored jerseys can be worn at home with white pants, and the blue and black jerseys can be worn on the road, with blue and gray pants, respectively. Pink jerseys stay at home. This is the first time I've done this with baseball, normally I stick to football concepts, so I kinda improvised the presentation as I went along. Hopefully it isn't too bad to even look at. Here's the final product: Personally, I like how the neon "light bulbs" pop off the black backgrounds, but if all I wanted was my opinion, I wouldn't be posting them here. What do you guys think? Compared to the real Marlins redesign, upgrade, downgrade, flat? Let me know!
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    Messing (even more) with an iconic helmet to accommodate that uniform? No thanks.
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    Don’t like this change. If you're a pinstripe team, you should always be wearing pinstripes. Having two pairs of pants, the mix-and-match, it dilutes the team’s identity. At least with pinstripe pants there was some continuity between the regular uniforms and the softball tops.
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    Okay, I think I got something to show y'all. At the moment I only have football and I know my M.O. for this thread has been four sports but I almost want to keep this one just for football due to the importance of the game in real life, but I'll see what the court of public opinion thinks. No matter who your team is throughout the regular season, we always find ourselves drawn to the TV the weekend after Championship Weekend to watch the Army-Navy game. Nike and Under Armour have done fantastic jobs in the past on the game uniforms and I can only hope to have a sliver of that same success. I'm not gonna do a whole lot of talking on these, only enough to say that my inspiration was "tools" of World War II. Instruments of War sounded so dark. My overarching idea was important devices and such that helped the US military in World War II. For Army that was the M4 Sherman Tank. For Navy it was the USS Enterprise. Let me know what you guys think and if I should extend it to the rest of the sports!
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    Kelly Green & Black, when used properly, can compliment each other very well:
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    This for at least 8 games.
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    It would be nice if the Browns at least removed the wordmarks from the pants for next season. The NFL doesn't have any restrictions on pants, so why not? I'm sure they have to order new ones every season anyway.
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    The Browns' Color Rush uniforms are pretty ugly. They're just better than the standard home uniform.
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    God, I hate that black sleeveless alt.
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    Bc amateur designers don't have to answer to old people in suits.
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    You’re also talking about two of the most iconic football helmet designs of all time, each with well over a half century of equity. It would be brand suicide to depart from horns or bolts.
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    There will only ever be one “New York Knights”.
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    I think you’re right that this is the main reason people give, but the way I see it, the Jets added black well before it became trendy in uniforms, and they ditched it before it really jumped the shark and filtered down to the lower levels of the sport. It’s strange to think about, but the Jets were on the forefront. They set the pace for two of the most significant movements of contemporary uniform design: the “black soup” movement of the mid- to late 1990s and the “return to the classics” movement of the early to mid-2000s.
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    CAROLINA TWINS - Triad Troubles We’ve reached the mid-1990s. The Tampa Bay Sweepstakes have played out, with both St. Petersburg and Phoenix getting expansion teams. However, relocation remained an option for many of the cities left out (as we’ve seen with the Virginia Fury and Sacramento). One of these regions was North Carolina. From 1996-1998, businessmen and politicians in the Piedmont Triad area of NC (Winston-Salem, Greensboro, and High Point) made a big gamble: instead of building new minor-league stadiums, why not try to lure a major-league club with a new stadium? They came up with a plan for a $210 million stadium, one situated at the Interstate 40-Interstate 40 Business interchange in between Guilford and Forsyth County. This site was under dispute leading up to the referendum, but the general area of the site would have been in the area highlight below. 1 Don Beaver, a North Carolina businessman (and then-owner of the Charlotte Knights), would have paid for a third of the stadium, with the other two-thirds coming from taxpayers in Guilford and Forsyth County through a $0.50 tax on baseball tickets and a 1% tax on prepared foods. Of course, this tax proved unpopular, with restaurateurs and citizens organizing Citizens Against Unfair Taxes (spending $33,000 on their campaign, compared to the $899,000 spent by the “Say Yes Baseball” campaign).2 Beaver also entered into negotiations to buy the Twins from Carl Pohlad, who was having financial problems with the Twins. He reported that he’d lost roughly $26 million since 1994 (over half of his reported losses since 1984), while team revenue was 40% below league average ($70 million) at $42 million. He had been trying for some time to extort the Minnesota Legislature to buy him a new venue to replace the barely 15-year-old Metrodome (I get that it was a crummy stadium, but still!), to no avail. However, he saw an opportunity with Don Beaver to put pressure on the state government. Pohlad signed a letter of intent on October 3, 1997, to sell the team to Beaver for $150 million, contingent on the Twins failing to get a stadium deal in Minnesota and the stadium tax measure passing.3 Unfortunately for Beaver, the Guilford and Forsyth County voters had different ideas. The May 5, 1998 referendum for the taxes failed hard. The two-county election ended with “no” defeating “yes” by 96,433 to 55,262 votes. The votes were 59% to 41% in Forsyth and 67% to 33% in Guilford. While Beaver investigated a stadium opportunity in Charlotte, talks stalled out. The North Carolina effort was so defeated, Beaver admitted that Charlotte had no interest in the Expos’ relocation.4 Pohlad and his successors, who reportedly had little interest in North Carolina, continued in their pursuit of a Minnesota stadium (which included failed public ventures and a threat to contract the team that fell flat), eventually getting Target Field in 2010.5 Of course, this plan was a horrible idea. Quotes from the period showed concern from residents about traffic near the exurban complex. I’d say that @sc49erfan15 summed up the problem here: Even if the vote went the other way, the results would still be terrible. You can best sum up what happened with this over-referenced moment from Fred Ottman’s wrestling career: The voters should be commended for refusing to pay for two-thirds of Beaver’s stadium. However, what if the Guilford and Forsyth County voters went the other way and Pohlad wasn’t bluffing? I figured that the name should stay, with the identifier of “Carolina.” The titual Twins would be each of the Carolinas. Navy and red would also remain with the addition of flesh/tan for outlines and the twin men (taken from the Twins’ 1972 roundel alternate). Part One - Dome-style Design The first approach is an attempt to merge the Metrodome era look with the new setting, while incorporating pieces of the 2010 typeface cleanup. The primary is a direct riff on the ‘87-’09 design, while the secondary incorporates both twins representing their respective states (modified versions of Wikipedia's North/South Carolina state outlines), a three-pointed star for the Triad, and the cap logo. The insignias include a “C-underline” and an “NCSC” design (a localized version of the “TC”). Rockwell Bold is the lettering font. The uniforms feature a new “Carolina” wordmark, with the secondary on the home uniform and the primary on the road. The big change from the Twins’ 1987-2009 uniforms is that the NoB’s are direct-sewn and red with navy outlines. The “NCSC” is on the socks. The alternates include a navy top and a red-billed “NCSC” cap, along with a fauxback. This one uses the janky 1960s “Twins” script with an all-navy “NCSC” cap and the secondary as a patch. The jacket features the home wordmark, the “C-underline” on the back, and white and red stripes on the trim. Part Two - A 1960s Revival, with contrast! The second approach modernizes the 1960s Twins set (what the 2010 Twins should have done) with a contrasting color style (inspired by the first secondary logo). The primary places the other secondary in a roundel, along with the team script (which I debuted in the current MLB thread on the Sports Logos section - using the 1959-60 Washington Senators’ tail design). The secondary/insignia features the “C” from my custom “TC.” A roundel with the “C” and a red border form the tertiary. The uniforms follow my Project 32 Twins concept, except for a few key tweaks. The most notable among these is that the front numbers, cap logos, and sock stripes are dominantly red with navy or white outlines. I figured that it gave the uniforms a bit more “punch.” The primary is a sleeve patch for both sets. The alternates also develop the co-dominance approach by alternating each Friday. The red jersey includes a matching cap, while the navy jersey features white front numbers (for contrast as a lighter element). The jacket now has red sleeves and the “Carolina” script. This move would have been an utter boondoggle had the voters and team gone through with it. While the Twins could have had some fantastic looks there, it’s for the best that it didn’t happen. C+C is appreciated, as always! Up next, we start another long project - Expos Agnoistes! 1 Justin Catanoso, “Architects Present Ballpark Options,” News & Record, April 2, 1998, sec. Triad/State; Meghann Mollerus, “MLB in NC? It Struck Out 19 Years Ago | Wfmynews2.Com,” WFMY News 2, July 17, 2017, https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/mlb-in-nc-it-struck-out-19-years-ago/455758206; John A. Nagy, “The Baseball Question,” News & Record, May 5, 1998, sec. General News; Eric Okurowski, “StadiumPage.Com - North Carolina 1999,” accessed March 16, 2019, http://www.stadiumpage.com/concepts/NC1999_R.html. 2 Mollerus, “MLB in NC?;" Nagy, “The Baseball Question;" Jim Schlosser, “One Year Later, Opinions Remain Firm on Stadium - Land Set aside for a Triad Big-League Baseball Park Remains Vacant, and - Proponents of Big-League Ball for the Area Remain Convinced an Opportunity Was - Missed.,” News & Record, May 4, 1999, sec. General News. 3 Compiled from reports by staff writers Stan Olson and Michael Whitmer, Associated Press and Knight Ridder/Tribune., “Twins Sale Was Never Intended, Book Says,” Charlotte Observer, April 3, 2000, sec. Business Monday; Justin Catanoso, “Was Baseball Deal Charade? `Well, Sort of’ - Triad Business Journal,” Triad Business Journal, May 3, 1999, https://www.bizjournals.com/triad/stories/1999/05/03/tidbits.html; Nagy, “The Baseball Question.” 4 Dana Damico, “Stadium Site, Not Tax, Was Key in Kernersville,” Winston-Salem Journal, May 6, 1998, sec. A; Scott Dodd, “Charlotte and Baseball: Nothing Major League yet - City’s Sports Promoters Quite Happy with the Minor-League Knights,” Charlotte Observer, September 22, 2002, sec. Metro; David Rice, “Triad Says No to Baseball Decisive: Voters in Forsyth, Guilford Reject Food Tax,” Winston-Salem Journal, May 6, 1998, sec. A; Schlosser, “One Year Later, Opinions Remain Firm on Stadium;” Patrick Sweeney, “N. Carolina Voters Vote down Stadium Tax//as Triad Area Says No, Charlotte Group Makes Move to Lure Twins,” St. Paul Pioneer Press, May 6, 1998, sec. Main; Jay Weiner, “N.C. Voters Reject Taxes to Help Build Twins Ballpark - Now the Attention Falls to Charlotte,” Star Tribune: Newspaper of the Twin Cities, May 6, 1998, sec. News. 5 Catanoso, “Was Baseball Deal Charade? `Well, Sort of’ - Triad Business Journal;” Compiled from reports by staff writers Stan Olson and Michael Whitmer, Associated Press and Knight Ridder/Tribune., “Twins Sale Was Never Intended, Book Says;” Foon Rhee, “Twins Tentatively Agree to Deal Keeping Them in Minnesota,” Charlotte Observer, July 23, 1998, sec. Metro.
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    Kind of OT, but I think we can pencil in Inter Miami wearing pink as a primary That M cap is fantastic. Pretty sad that the MLS team got a better cap logo on their first try than the local MLB team in 25 years with 3 different brands.
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    The seats at Camden Yards have been green since Day One. Green was only a team color to the extent it was part of the background of the primary logo (as part of a baseball diamond). Bottom line -- dark green is more or less the default retro seat color, which is most likely why the seats at Miller Park are green.
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    I don't even particularly like this jersey, but I bet it would win in a poll here over the actual jerseys the day after the reveal.
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    Next up, the Oakland Athletics, and a the return of a brighter green. The uniforms mostly stay intact other than a switch to a brighter green, with the exception of sleeve patch colorways. What makes this interesting are the fauxback options that include one of the major college trends.. colored pants. Just like the old A's ,the fauxbacks take a vest form with the original A logo on the chest. Expect a lot more colored pants and pullovers to come...
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    Just for fun. A few quick PSs Both colored jerseys have a tonal loves logo. The white has a black text and red heart. Still comes off as subtle And as an extreme, here’s a modified rectangular yellow loves logo without the extra hearts. Instead the apostrophe heart is increased in size and the overall logo is more in line with the size of the nike swoosh.
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    I’m usually a proponent of removing white where possible, but you can’t mess with the Braisher stripes.
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    Yeah, that's mine. One of my "here's a weird idea I wouldn't actually want to see" concepts.
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    So obviously not size since we already discussed NFL guidelines regarding those. So are we talking... squared off number font? inclusion of lime? A division running between it? some sort of reflection/iridescence? And now did these people legit see the jersey or did they see this and think it was the real deal? Because there is a striking similarity. And now for a good question. Have we ever discovered the source of the above fake? Conspiracy Theory: did Nike mock up a fake with various elements to see a general consensus?
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    Yeah that’s totally different than other football fans.
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    Something that caught my attention: Nick Foles was introduced with a teal jersey at his Jacksonville press conference. If this team loves teal so much, why isn't it their regular color? I don't get it.
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    1994 was, uh, hoo-boy. Even the goddamn NFL couldn't resist plugging in teal and purple.
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    This is the same flawed logic that says the Jaguars can't have uniforms as simple as the Raiders. The Jets will only be a team that doesn't have an "NY" logo that's existed for more than a half century as long as they don't commit to an "NY" logo for more than a half century.
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    The worst part about that set were the helmets. Black facemask and a green shell doesn't work.
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    Well, Dundon is not playing the franchise game, so time to end that mess. As for Portland, why is this constantly brought up like every d@mn week? Unless they choose to try to play in Hillsboro, are weekend dates available as both the Timbers and Thorns would outdraw them? Would they just play four of the five (or more) home games all in February? Peregrine was tired of taking nine hours to paint football lines for Portland State, and since they can keep all the concession revenues, any AAF or minor league football team will struggle for revenue. Since the AAF is a private business, not part of the public trust like Portland State, assume they'll be treated more like competition. Exactly.
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    Well well well, great minds think alike I had a couple things I wanted to see, so I thought this was a better use of my time than taking notes in class. From left to right: Blue jersey with white pants and pink-billed cap and accessories. I wasn't sure if the pink would work with the blue jerseys and was initially against it, but I wanted to draw it out to see for sure. Final judgement: I'm still not sure. Fish-logo on pinstripes. Based on the 2000s alternate, I almost included it from the start, but decided not to for reasons I'm not even sure of myself. They had pinstripes fro a large portion of their history and with Derek Jeter now as an owner, the pinstripes could make a decent Sunday afternoon alternate, at least in my opinion. The last one is simple enough. Home jersey with pink-bills, sleeves, belts, etc. It wasn't included in the initial post simply because there wasn't space. Like I said earlier, the pink and blue accessories and caps are pretty much interchangeable with any jersey, so I could do a bunch more of those, but this is one I really wanted to knock out, just to show the mix and match possibilities with accessory colors. And one more: Some rule around here requires that any Marlins concept has to have at least one version in the original colors, right?
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    I've seen a lot of "iconic city > team name" in this thread and, IMO, it's complete BS. They're not the "New York Football Team" or the "New York New Yorkers," they're the New York Jets. Yeah they play in represent New York, one of the most iconic cities in the world, but they have a nickname with the potential to have a really cool brand built around it. I'm not saying they should ignore the "New York" portion of their name, but a logo that actually has a decent jet image in it would be much better than the plain NY logo. Even the NY with some sort of jet silhouette calling back to the 80s logo wouldn't be that hard. And can we stop comparing them to the Giants, Yankees, and Mets? Yeah, all those teams are New York too, and all three of them have iconic NY logos, but think about their mascots. All three are sort of abstract references to New York and hard to really represent with a logo. Jets, on the other hand? Not unique to New York and very easy to represent using an actual logo.
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    Alright so here's a full update for the ChiSox: I decided to go for the new number font, as it feels more in-line with the White Sox current Gothic identity. I also decided to add a gray outline around the logo on the main caps for more consistency. Following @coco1997's suggestion, I decided to show what the BP cap would look like paired with the black alternate. I really like how it looks, and it made me realize that the white cap is pretty unnecessary, so I decided to drop it. The BP cap could also be occasionally paired with the home jersey, maybe as a Sunday alt or something of the like. I'm pretty pleased with how this update turned out, it makes the set more consistent throughout and gives the Sox a distinct identity. What do you all think, any thoughts before we move on to Cleveland?
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    Agreed. If we've learned anything from the Giants, Yankees, and Mets, it's that having a simple but recognizable "NY" on the hat/helmet is really unremarkable.
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