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  1. Fellow Ohioan here. We could react like you did or....we can return fire. According to his profile, FiddySicks lives in Sacramento. It's not like the dude is dunking on Ohio from Honolulu. Sacramento is Cleveland with nicer weather, far less charm, and one almost NBA level basketball team. No one moves to California because they dream of living in Sacramento.
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  2. Don't hate the name after I took the 14 seconds to Google the local context...but THAT is all they came up with for something as visually interesting as these?!
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  3. See, the best thing about the name is that it keeps up the American tradition of people who don't know :censored: about Cleveland telling people from Cleveland all about how much it sucks.
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  4. We get it: you don't think much of Cleveland. Is that your whole shtick? Just posting in order to provoke Native Clevelanders like myself? I happen to love where I live, and I am certain that there are others on this forum that would agree with me - as well as folks who have visited who have come away with a changed opinion of the city. It's not your cup of tea: fine. Either post something relevant to the conversation or move on.
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  5. You clearly didn't realize they retired Chief Wahoo 3 years ago.
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  6. That's where I'm at. There was so much that could've been done but instead they tried to microwave 10 different ideas together and ended up melting the tupperware.
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  7. I'm stunned that they didn't go with Spiders. The name isn't bad, but the G-Wing-Ball logo is terrible. Cartoonish, doesn't capture the deco look that I presume was intended and the perspective bothers me. Also, the jagged cursive(ish) wordmark reminds me very much of this . . .
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  8. NGL, that why I like the logo so much. Idk why, but it just feels right as a dorky sleeve logo
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  9. I feel like I've been weirdly praising this city too much on here lately, but I always say it's the easiest place I've ever lived. It punches well above its weight class for fun and activities, but has all the benefits of a smaller city. Everything is close to everything else as opposed to the sprawl of, say, Columbus. Nightlife is good, food scene is great, tons of fun things to do, architecture drips with history and character, cool topography, not unlivable winters, lots of pro and college sports options, and I was able to buy a cool old house with a bunch of charm and a nice yard in a nice neighborhood for a price that made my Seattle friends fall out of their kayaks. My favorite thing of all is there's this sort of collective attitude among people in my generation to stay now and will it into being a cool place to live whereas my wife's parents' generation didn't care one way or the other if downtown burnt to the ground. I mean uhhh IT SUCKS NOBODY MOVE HERE!
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  10. I think I'm one of three people who likes this It's my favourite part of the whole rebrand.
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  11. That is interesting. Cincinnati is kind of an afterthought around here. Like if you asked me to list the cities in Ohio, I'd say Cleveland, Columbus, Toledo, Akron, Dayton............oh, and Cincinnati. EDIT: For the record, Columbus is the biggest city in Ohio.
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  13. I can't believe how much more quickly this all happened in comparison to the Football Team. All things considered, I think it's OK. There was literally nothing they could do that wasn't going to be jarring to most fans. When I think about my teams, a name change would be jarring to me (even if it was the Wild). No matter how good the name and identity, calling the Twins anything else would take some serious getting used to. Therefore, I think it makes sense that: The colors and general identity are reminiscent of the current team. That continuity is important. Guardians has a similar cadence to the old name. As for Spiders, I know a lot of us, myself included, would have liked it. But the general fan base? I legitimately don't know. Remember, at any given time, 80% of the fans there probably haven't heard of Len Barker and half probably haven't heard of Bob Feller (this is not a shot at Clevelanders but an observation about the the lack of attachment to history for the casual fan everywhere). They likely don't know the Spiders (on the other hand, they don't know the Spiders were historically bad). My two cents: Name: OK. Like I said, the cadence works (and someone point out the "ians"). Someone else pointed out that it's a bit "too local" but hey, it gives the rest of us a chance to learn something about Cleveland. Colors: They had no choice, in my opinion. It's not their problem that so many teams have similar colors. They needed to keep the continuity. And it looks fine. Don't worry about it; I'm sure they'll be wearing a "city" jersey 50 times a year (maybe inspired by the Cuyahoga River fire). Wordmarks: OK. I actually think they should have gone for more continuity with a smoother wordmark, particularly the "Guardians" one. But it makes the "Cleveland" mark less boring, I suppose. Cap: Nice. While I'm sometimes a fan of seeing no white, the "C" hat has been begging for white from day 1. The contrast on their hats messed with my eyes. "G" Logo: The only truly awful part of this. Edit: I just realized that the 3D aspect of the logo implies that on the other side, there's a backwards-facing G. It's worse than I initially thought. Overall, I give them a B+ and I'm more grateful that they sidestepped potential "expansionesque" landmines than I am disappointed about any missed opportunities.
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  14. The Wing G logo looks like the Disney era Angels logo.
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  15. I rather like it, for trying to blend the old identity with the deco of the statues. The “cursive” script is pretty decent and I enjoy the new wordmark. The baseball logo looks very ‘50s and not in a good way, but I can live with it. “Rushed” sums a bit of it up. Long Live the Guardians! While I’d prefer Spiders, it’s still a fantastic local name.
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  16. The Cleveland Indians are now the Cleveland Guardians
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  17. I can't be the only one who likes the G-Wing logo right? *ducks*
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  18. I guess it's an unpopular opinion, but I like the fastball logo. It's really the only element of this new brand that actually incorporates elements of the statues that inspired the name. I don't think it belongs on the caps or anything, but as a tertiary logo it works.
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  19. That logo looks like it should be on top of a gas station in a small town that you pass through while on your way to somewhere better. I guess in that sense, it’s really fitting!
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  20. I still maintain the name "Indians" exists in enough of a grey zone that had they dropped Wahoo in, say, the early 90s and never looked back the name would broadly be accepted. Maybe a few rumblings here and there but the major point of contention would have gone for close to thirty years by the time the racial divisions of society became apparent in 2020. By hanging onto Wahoo as defiantly and as long as they did they soured the rest of the brand, meaning "Indians" had to go. "Indians" isn't malicious enough to be in the same category as the WTF's old name, but it's not benign like "Blackhawks" either. Whether or not it survived was dependent on how the team chose to deal with it, and they chose the worst possible path.
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  21. It's strange how the Twins and Guardians always get picked on to change colors from RWB when they're two of the oldest franchises in the majors. Pick on someone else. I think the font could be a little thicker and sturdier, but overall a good, if not great, rebrand. I like the G-ball logo a lot more knowing it's supposed to mimic a split-finger grip.
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  22. Kinda sad it's not the Spiders but I'm a lot more OK with the whole Guardians thing than I would've expected? That script is gorgeous, the new (presumed) cap logo is miles better than the "block C" as a standalone logo. The whole art deco thing/vibe is cool and it's well executed for a name that could've been really, really corny. As a fan, I'm generally a fan of this. Oh, and they kept the colors.
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  23. Always thought this was an over-thinkin' it reason to not use the name Spiders. Reasons: A. There's no stink surrounding that name because nobody alive now was alive then. Few people know and fewer people care about what happened in late 1800's baseball. It's not bad optics unless you go around shouting "THEY WERE THE WORST TEAM EVER!", which nobody would do. B. the reasons they were the worst team ever was a bunch of old-timey, barnstorming era of baseball reasons that explain why everything went wrong and I'd argue adds a touch of whimsy and charm to the entire thing. C. The name would be used by a group of modern 2020's baseball players who would very quickly change any associations people have with the name to just something that means "Cleveland's pro baseball team". The Mets have the worst record in modern baseball history and are still called the Mets. People don't care.
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  24. It's important to remember that this website has a near-psychotic obsession with making sure every team has a unique color scheme. There's a not-insignificant portion that actually want one of the league's oldest teams to change their iconic color scheme of nearly a century because of a fence.
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  25. I also think it's one of those things where like: I felt like the block C got a lot of traction early on, but it's also been long-disliked by the group of people who didn't see an issue with the previous branding, and is a bit of a symbol of ... everything that's led to this change that they perceive as wrong? For people who don't think that way, eventually the block C becoming the only real thing in the club's branding made it, well, boring? I was very happy with the block C as a cap logo and think it works great in a lot of applications, especially on the home jerseys, but when it's all your brand is, it over-saturates things and becomes more than just a cap logo. It's this thing that's just faux-classic and doesn't standalone in the same way that most of baseball's iconic monograms can, and I think it just got played into the ground without a real primary logo to supplement it.
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  26. It's the whole, "you want to be the coach who follows the guy who follows Coach K" type thing, right? For a club that's been masquerading with a single-color block letter (that doesn't even include its primary color!) as a primary logo for several years now, this set is non-generic in the way that it's, well, generic. It's good for what it's trying to (and probably needs to) be.
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  27. The goal was to ease fans into it by keeping the visual identity roughly the same as it has been for the past decade and for the ‘40s-‘50s glory days. They were scared of pissing off too many fans with the new name that they couched it as much in the old identity as possible. Remember, they’ve been using the “Indians” script since 1994. That’s a long time for something to last before it’s gone. This is why they played it safe. Give them a few years and they can be more daring. A logo that resembles the face of a guardian statue, working the pattern into a roundel, etc. That’s all possible. I’m just glad the issue is over.
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  28. I think you make some good points, but I think it was only a fool's hope (and I was one of those fools) that they'd make a complete overhaul. If we look back at how they handled this: First they downgraded Wahoo Then they started making the logo disappear for the most part Then they officially dropped him Then they announced an upcoming name change, but only after another season with it Everything has been gradual, they aren't interested in making a big splash or re-inventing the wheel. It's an old team with the same colors as every other baseball team and a recognizable enough uniform template. Guess we'll continue to settle for that. If they had won it in 2016 (or 07 or 97 or... oh god) I'm not sure it'd make it any better. For the record, I'll take Major League since I'm not sure what pop culture impact most MLB teams are supposed to be making.
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  29. Reading the overzealous social justice folks on twitter is something else. They're completely unsatisfied that anything remotely related to the old identity, including fonts and colors was maintained. Claims that they're racist by association or some such nonsense? And then there's this reach...
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  30. THANK YOU!!! A lot of people on this forum say stuff like "Twins should switch to Pink and Green because there's too much RWB in baseball!" We've had these colors since we were the Senators in 1901. Go bug the Rangers, Angels, and Nationals if it annoys you that much. Leave us alone
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  31. They did it... They did it! After years of screaming impotently into the darkness, I've seen them put an outline on the cap logo! I could not care about the rest and be happy based on that alone, but I'm actually pleased with this. I think the team's uniform set has looked really sharp over the last ten years and their home wordmark, which is an update of the wordmark during their World Championship run and has stood for almost 30 years through two pennants, sitting at the top of the Jake's scoreboard for its entire history, hasn't been thrown away. That was one of my biggest concerns. It feels like such an important part of the team's identity for the majority of my life and during their highest highs in 50 years. I'm glad it's here, even if they font is a little difference. People are complaining about the font. I've looked at it on my phone, then I looked at the video. I find that when it is small and compressed it looks a thousand times more awkward than it does closer up. Hopefully on the uniforms with raised stitching and such it'll look good. The winged logo is the worst part to me, but it's not terrible. It doesn't remind me of minor league, mostly because it seems the antithesis of the rounded Brandiose style. It reminds me of these old logos from the 40's-70's that ESPN likes to dust off for a montage background. But in terms of what they're going for... maybe it's the animated way it was first shown to us, but it looks like the little isometric animations I often see on websites of trendy brands over the last five years. I can't think of an example other than the (not animated in this image, but generally animated when it was shown on other shows) imagery for ESPN's Daily Podcast. Knickerbockers, Pacers, Trailblazers, Orioles, Royals, Twins, Padres, Blue Jackets, Winnipeg Jets, Ravens, Bears, Packers, and 49ers could easily mean absolutely nothing to outsiders who don't look into it at all. It doesn't really matter. Dayton, Canton, Toledo... Honestly, if you're not a college/NHL/MLS fan, I can see someone thinking of all three of these before Columbus and possibly Cincy if the only sport you follow is the NBA. Columbus feels like it can easily be a, Albany or Carson City to the average person. Oh, crap! Sandusky! I travelled through Ohio exactly twice to attend a wedding of one of my friends back in his hometown of Detroit. Actually passed the sign for Sandusky and didn't know it was a real palace. Wow, I know so many cities in Ohio. That's weird.
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  32. The name is okay. Although I was hoping they would've went with something unexpecting (though thinking it over now, it's probably best they didn't go that way). The logos are average, but I consider this all just a "starter package" and that they'll hopefully do some tweaks and edits down the road. To those that are bringing up the notion of people outside of Cleveland not getting the name, they don't have to... because it's not aimed at them. If Clevelanders are able to understand the reference of the name, then that's enough because it's their team and what the team was focusing on.
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  33. Yeah...it's a mentality I never got. "The Red Sox should wear green instead of blue." That seems so ridiculous to me but some people insist on it because of...as you said...a fence.
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  34. I like it...*scurries away into the darkness*
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  35. If you think about it junior hockey is basically the perfect trap for child molesters to use. Young boys get sent hundreds of miles away from home to live with strangers, which means they lean on their coaches and billet families to be their support system and bad people can take advantage of that vulnerability. They're also very easily manipulated because there's the threat of taking away their dream of playing in the NHL if they don't do X, Y, Z. It's so f****d. Jerry Sandusky, Larry Nassar, Michael Jackson, the OSU doctor that Jim Jordan didn't do anything about, etc etc - Child molesters create systems that allow for easy access to prey that also makes the victims dependent on them. I just saw this story yesterday about how Brad Aldrich, out of prison now after a separate molestation incident that happened after he left the Blackhawks, now runs a glass etching business in Michigan and how he uses a lot of high school and college aged interns and it's like HELLO! Alarm Bells! Red Flags! He's still doing it!
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  36. I like the winged G. It adds a little bit of camp and retroness to an otherwise plain (albeit not as plain as it's predecessor) set. I can see t-shirts with it "faded" selling well
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  37. I don't hate that winged G logo. I might actually like it.
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  38. That flying ball logo is so goofy, I think I love it. It reminds me of the late 90s Angels. That said it's definitely not lasting more than a couple years
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  39. Nice work on getting Tom Hanks to do the voiceover too.
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  40. Aside from the G-Ball logo, I actually really like these a lot. The script is fantastic, and the C and Cleveland wordmarks are very simple but unique enough to be an upgrade of their current stuff. I'm just hoping for a return of red pants
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  41. That logo is like Goodyear and the Dayton Flyers had a baby. I like the name and workmark, but the flying G is rough.
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  42. Because 3 stripes = Nike's biggest competitor
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  44. I’m glad it wasn’t Municipals. Or Rockers. Or Naps, Fellers, Forests, Foresters, Rocks, Steamboats, Steamers, etc. So many bad names could’ve happened. Had Rockers happened, I might have gone to Cleveland to take a dump on the lawn of the RRHoF. Those dummies don’t want Iron Maiden in their museum? Screw ‘Em.
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  45. So by your own admission locals want to maintain as much as the visible history as possible with the rebrand. It seems like your position- they they go with green and move on from red, white, and blue- is a minority opinion. And that's fine. Nothing wrong with that. It's just that given the passions around this rebrand and why they had to do it maintaining as much of a connection to the old identity as possible is smart from a branding perspective. People want the team to still be familiar despite the change. So it's smart to give it to them. The Edmonton Elks are still green and gold and the Washington Soccer Workforce will still be burgundy and gold when they finally settle on a rebrand. All for the same reasons. And there's no reason they shouldn't. The colours were never the problem with these old identities. -PS re: the "Forest City" thing...the city I went to uni in, London, Ontario, is also nicknamed the Forest City. It hardly seems like a uniquely Cleveland thing.
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  46. Looks like they're going with a custom number font
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