andrewharrington

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  1. True, but that’s also a byproduct of a lazy colloquialism bending the inherent meaning, function, and/or symbolism in something. Some tridents are pitchforks, and some pitchforks are tridents, but they’re not necessarily synonyms. In these cases, the barbs are what make them fishing tridents (that’s what prevents the fish from sliding off the tines when you pull it out, whereas ag forks are typically designed to slide cleanly in and out of dirt or hay, with the spacing and number of tines varying depending on the intended function).
  2. Truth be told, both logos depict a trident, not a pitchfork. They need to fix that before they do anything, because there really isn’t much ocean culture in Tempe.
  3. It looks like a full color version of this graphic, including the text, which is itself a “camera-ready” version of the Browns’ earliest, pre-NFL depiction of Brownie, as seen on their 1946 program covers.
  4. So do these, but I’d be willing to bet they’re actually dark green under optimal lighting conditions.
  5. You’re right. As shown here, it’s definitely possible to get a better result than blocking the stripes off at the yoke. My only point was that full wraparound is not a realistic solution, at least not for all players. I still think the best solution is to angle the stripes into the body panel to give the illusion of a full wraparound without the bunching of the stripe under the arm.
  6. It definitely doesn’t look right in that photo/video, but theoretically, there’s no way it should be different. The current GT/UW pant color is the only gold offered as far as I know.
  7. A Lot of players wear the cap-sleeve cut, though, and most teams’ shoulder loops are wider than the Panthers.’ There are two excuses right there.
  8. I wish there were grey gloves and shoes for teams with grey masks. I always thought that would be a nice way to coordinate all the equipment and make a rogue grey mask less of an eyesore for the non-believers.
  9. I hate to break it to you, but almost *all* jeans have contrast stitching, not just the ugly ones. Now, if they had embroidered filigree and rhinestones on the shoulders, I think you’d have a point.
  10. Theoretically, sure, but I don’t think they’d be able to tighten down on it (i.e. fining players or prohibiting them from entering the game without proper socks) without collectively bargaining the rule change and the consequences for breaking it. They just need to choose one style and commit to enforcing it.
  11. I see what you’re getting at, but the fact is socks and helmets are part of the uniform. Gloves, cleats, undershirts, protective gear, etc. are not.
  12. Lots of improvement there. Good work. I’d definitely flip the colors on the sleeve stripes so they’re essentially a simpler version of the classic stripes. The extra white helps balance the numbers and pants, and the extra contrast of the white against the brown sharpens the look. I’d also thin out the numbers a little. It looks like you have the orange fill and the white shadow combined there, and it feels a little beefy; I think you only need the weight of the orange fill. You might run into trouble with a dense number like 4 at that weight. I would also remove the extraneous angles and make the design of the numbers more traditional. The Cleveland on the front is unnecessary as well, if I’m honest. Lastly, at this point you’ve basically got a more contemporary take on the classics, and I wouldn’t mind keeping the brown mask around if that’s the approach. It looks a lot better than I thought it ever could. The fact that they’re still in the old garment with seams all over the place really exacerbates this. Contrast stitching would be so much more tasteful and tolerable on the newer build that everyone else is using because there are only a couple seams on the whole jersey. Either way, though, it still feels a bit extra on a team like the Browns, even if the thinking behind it is sound.
  13. I like this idea *if* they bring back the previous uniform as the main home and road set. The above would be a great alternate look to complement the classics because it’s essentially the same uniform with the white removed. The only change I’d make is reversing the pants so they match the helmet. I’ve always preferred white pants on the classics, but I’m into the idea of orange pants on this hypothetical alternate that has no white on it.
  14. I hope this means that wearing your school colors is now.
  15. I hope they throw away those red socks and get some orange ones, at least.
  16. Most people assume their name refers to an auto racing pace car, but pacer is actually a harness racing term. It’s a horse who runs at a specific gait (both legs on one side of the body move forward in unison) to pull the cart where the driver sits. No matter which one they’re going for, though, I’m not sure either evokes modernity or speed without the complementary graphic language. A pace car’s function is to slow the cars down, and a pacer’s success is more about its ability to keep a steady gait over the course of the race than it is about pure speed. That said, the FloJo was a pretty great uniform, though I wish the diagonal graphic connected from jersey to shorts. I also really like the idea behind the lettering on the front of their current uniform. The “Circle City” look is a bit more distinctive and local than a simple arched or italic wordmark like they’ve previously used (I do love the 80s italic wordmark in the chest stripe, though).
  17. I like that take. I think they’ve used the same red since about 2000, though.
  18. It reminds me of lettering forged into a wrought iron gate. I’m not sure if that’s pertinent to anything you would see in Philadelphia, but either way, if the lettering had been simplified to a single outline instead of three, this would have been a pretty great uniform. Also, the numbers are the same typeface as the lettering. How do they not mix?
  19. Good question. That would’ve looked nice on the helmet.
  20. The upper rows? Sorry, but if you’re *at* the game and you don’t know who’s playing, I think the problem is with you, not the uniforms. Also, why are the wings pointless if they’re not in a contrasting color? The point is for them to be subtle, and to complement the finish of the numbers. Yellow wings on that uniform would look like garbage because there’s so little yellow in the rest of the uniform.
  21. That Oregon combo is fantastic looking. Hopefully it is indeed paired with yellow logos and branding on the helmet, gloves, and shoes. I’m curious to see how these Rutgers jerseys perform. This is pretty close to the vision I’ve had for a sleeved jersey (though I always envisioned it as a mid-bicep or 3/4 length rather than a full long sleeve). My theory is that adding a tightly fitted sleeve will eliminate the ability to grab the armhole and shoulder pad, which will be great for linemen, but I’m interested to see how it affects tackling. It looks like there’s a little room in the upper arm that could be grabbed, but it’s also a thicker, more compressive fabric than what old jerseys were made with.
  22. It’s tough to tell without the league providing a clear “do this/not that” interpretation. Essentially I’m wondering if this means the inspectors are simply no longer bothering with socks and it’s a free for all in principle *and* in practice, or if it means get rid of all your white hosiery because the only color you can wear on your lower leg is the team sock color.
  23. You’re probably right if you’re talking about a replica jersey with actual sleeves that you can lay flat, but game jerseys don’t have that. Picture a semicircle that’s 8 in. across (roughly a semicircle, of course, and admittedly, I don’t know exactly how wide the sleeve panel is, so this is just an estimate). Now, you have to find a rectangle that you can comfortably fit within that semicircle, on all sizes of the garment. If your stripe is 1 in. thick (much thinner than most football stripe designs), you can theoretically get 7 in. of width. If your stripe is 2 in. thick (still pretty thin, but closer to normal), you can get 6 in. If your stripe is 3 in. thick (pretty typical for a football jersey), you can only get about 4 in. wide If we’re a little more hopeful and estimate the sleeve panel is a 10 in. semicircle (this honestly sounds a bit generous to me, but I could see the larger sizes being this big), then your absolute max. width for 1, 2, and 3 inch thick stripes is 9 in., 8.25 in., and 7 in., respectively. Because you have to make the same print/transfer process work for all sizes of stripe and garment, something like 2.5 in. x 5 in. is the area you have to work with. You might be able to get a little better result building a custom platen that’s shaped more like the panel, but setting up a tailored process like that can cost tens of thousands of dollars. There’s simply no way to decorate seam-to-seam on a pre-constructed garment. You’re always going to be limited by the shape and size of your application equipment and/or your garment, no matter who you are. If you’re seeing seam-to-seam decoration from other places, it’s almost certainly a custom piece at that point. True, but there’s a trade off. There’s no option to add any stripe designs to the sleeves of the stock, pre-constructed Vapor Untouchable jersey. Your only option is adding lettering and numbers. I’m not even sure if you can add your logo or not (@WavePunter or @Volt can probably give you better insight on this from the customer side of things). Even the custom option only offers two different stripe options (last I checked, there was an LSU-style shoulder insert, a hazard/warning stripe design, and a plain, no-stripe option). You have more options to change the panel colors here if you want a contrast collar or sleeves or something, but now you’re at $175-$200 per jersey, and it’s not decorating a pre-constructed jersey. It’s cutting and sewing custom jerseys, which, as I noted previously, is a completely different process with a much longer production timeline. In contrast, you can pick your design elements, hand over your roster, and theoretically have a full set of pre-constructed stock jerseys decorated in weeks as opposed to months. Basically, everyone is going to have a different process with different strengths and weaknesses. You might be able to get a really clean, simple, professional looking stock jersey from one place, but you lose most of your customization options. Similarly, if you want a lot of customization options, you’re either going to sacrifice on the look, or you’re going to have to bite the bullet on price. There’s no perfect solution, and that’s just the nature of the beast with large-scale manufacturing of custom consumer goods. It’s like the old design cliché: I offer fast, cheap, and good design, but you can only pick two of the three.
  24. I think the key to whether this will be good or bad hinges on whether players can still wear white socks over their colored socks or leggings. If all this is just the NFL’s way of saying, “Well, we don’t really enforce this, so let’s just take it off the uniform guidelines,” then it’s not going to improve much. I’m curious whether the “official” game socks will now be made in full-color calf-to-toe or if they’ll remain white on the bottom.
  25. Challenge! The design brief from the team says, “We want to include things that are cool, new, and different on our uniform.” What do you do?