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Everything posted by andrewharrington

  1. The Color Rush uniforms use the nice gold, so it’s probably not a color matching issue. More than likely, the issue is that someone doesn’t want the brassy gold to be a full-time thing. The issue there is that having both a kelly green and midnight green helmet means the team/league is forcing the player(s) to switch helmets for aesthetic purposes. Conversely, the radio issue *could* be solved by simply removing the radio equipment (or using a different player in an emergency capacity like what happened with Josh), which would allow the player to keep the same helmet if he insisted on it. The foundation of the rule is that any helmet change must be up to the player unless the helmet is damaged, unsafe, or it’s no longer an approved model.
  2. If they can fit the full throwback stripe on there, they can fit two of the current stripe. I don’t know if it would be the best of the three, but I think it’s an interesting idea to get a little bit of classic and a little bit of current. Part of the reason why I generally favor the current stripe over the throwback one is it fits better on a modern jersey.
  3. This would have been perfect. 1. Brooklyn is Kings County. 2. They still could have used black and white, and on top of the vintage subway imagery, they could have used chessboard as a design element somewhere in the identity (public chess in the park is also one of those New York tropes everyone knows, but it’s not as cliché as Empire State, Big Apple, Brooklyn Bridge, etc. Brooklyn may not be its own city, but it is its own county. It’s larger and more populous than most cities in the country. As G stated, it’s probably one of just a few sub-cities that can stand on its own in terms of country or even worldwide name recognition, so while it may not be your cup of tea, it makes sense, and it works. At the highest pro level, these are the exceptions, not the rules.
  4. I think the one on the right looks best, to be honest. The lighter blue is kinda their thing, but the dark blue and white gives the look a colder, crisper feel, which always felt very appropriate for the name. I don’t think I like the blue pants under the road jersey, though. I definitely agree on ditching the bevels and gradients (and the extra outlines they added in the process), but the upward type orientation is objectively better simply because it creates better positive/negative balance in the letterforms. Running it downward emphasized the negative space above the L and that gap made the text look off-center.
  5. “Hipsters” aren’t exactly a target demo for a major sports team. Brooklyn by itself is one of the most populous places in the country and there’s a fair bit of local pride in the simple fact that it’s not Manhattan, which makes their choice more than justifiable. Maybe they alienated some people by going with Brooklyn over New York, but sports fandom is tribal. I’m glad they made the bad decision to commit to something local and distinctive that they can call their own when the easiest thing to do would have been “maximizing the marketing footprint” and pretending that calling themselves New York means they represent the whole city when they clearly do not.
  6. I’m very torn on this. I think the throwback sleeve stripe works pretty well on the home jersey, but the road version clashes with the helmet and pant stripe because they’re too close but not the same. As for the current, I thought that I just didn’t like this stripe pattern when the center band was the same color as the jersey, but I realized I just don’t like Forida’s, and it’s because they do it on the white jersey. I think the Buckeyes’ version on the home jersey is fine, and I actually like the road version even better. That said, I always thought it would be interesting to double up the current stripe pattern and create a hybrid of the classic and current. It would be a bit like the sleeve stripe the Cardinals used to wear, and I’d even be interested in seeing how the home version looks with grey instead of red as the center bands.
  7. I don’t believe the type of plastic used for hockey helmets is recyclable, and because they’re made of mixed materials, they’re likely not recyclable no matter what the shell is made of. Heck, most recycling centers can’t recycle the majority of the “recyclables” they receive. White helmets are fine, but the only way to reduce helmet waste is to use fewer of them, and honestly, I think that’s more important than some individual aesthetic or competitive preferences in the long run.
  8. To be fair, he’s not pushing or publishing his own designs; the article was written by someone else and the paper is openly soliciting the content. And again, critiquing work in the public sphere is perfectly valid. The original contention that said work has no business *being* in the public sphere (simply because someone doesn’t like it) is the issue.
  9. I’d prefer they do it like college hockey. Looks great and often requires only one helmet color per team, which means less waste.
  10. 1. I understand it’s not realistically executed in its current form, but isn’t that to be expected given that it’s a raw idea from someone who doesn’t do this type of design every day? 2. Again, it’s not going work exactly as it exists on the paper, but the idea behind it isn’t bad. It’s creative, unexpected, and it communicates very well. I’d argue it’s much more inspired than most of the ideas floating around. 3. It’s not being presented as a legitimate proposal. It’s an online news article that basically reads, “Our staff designer saw our Bucs’ ideas and he had a fun one of his own. Here he is to tell you about it.” He’s a staff designer at the newspaper. That’s the platform he has available to him, just as this message board is the platform we have available to us.
  11. Aesthetically, white jerseys don’t need white helmets. It’s just a league standard.
  12. What’s the harm in letting people be creative? Good ideas can come from anywhere. Isn’t it kind of silly to tell people, “No, I’m sorry. You’re not qualified for this, so your ideas and drawings aren’t welcome here.”
  13. Spain colonized Florida and claimed ownership of it for 250 years.
  14. How so? Their entire identity is thematically linked to pirate folklore, and Tampa holds the worlds largest pirate festival every winter. I’m not sure the white one would be legal as a road jersey, but the dark one seems like a pretty inspired idea for an alternate. Makes a lot more sense for a team that leans on pirate imagery than it does for a team named after legislators or steelworkers.
  15. Definitely. The red jaw pads are not natural, either.
  16. Heat? Naw. The only team that can wear these is the JAZZ!
  17. I think it’s important to note, though, that this isn’t branding. It’s a logo; a single piece of a larger whole. If the club believes in and is proud of what they’re building, then I think they’re doing the right thing by saying, “Let’s all simmer down, let this marinate, and wait for the side dishes to be done. At least eat the meal before you decide to throw it up.” In that sense, I think it should be studied in design schools, but as a cautionary tale on hot takes, mob mentality, non-constructive critique, and passing final judgment before taking in all of the design. This is is a decent badge. I’m just not sold on it being right for this team. I thought the use of the St. Florian cross was one of those perfect design choices that should stick with the club until the end. From a purely aesthetic point of view, though, this is attractive, refined, and versatile, and I could see it being very appealing and working well under different circumstances. Ultimately, I think they made a few too many mistakes changing out solid, ownable design elements that instantly communicate for ones that are not only conceptually thin, but also more ambiguous and unfortunately similar to the identities of other relevant organizations (Vancouver, Salt Lake, and the Latin Kings). Time will tell, but I still applaud them for not caving to the mob this early.
  18. What is it about the act of centering the ball that you don’t like?
  19. Nailed it. It feels a little too much like one of those NBA identities from ten years ago where they get a new logo, but also recolor the previous logo, then repeat the cycle once more, and then bring in a freshened up version of an old logo until they have a full stable of logos that span every era of the team but have little or no stylistic connection to one another. While it’s great for licensing and merchandising and keeping your inventory fresh and having all kinds of new stuff to put on jerseys that last all of three years on the field, none of it really supports the building of a long-term identity or brand. This hodgepodge, everything-AND-the-kitchen-sink approach really doesn’t work for me, but I will say that if that’s the direction “branding” is headed, then we need to do a better job of linking all the pieces together.
  20. I know, right? Like, how does “nostalgia” fit the Winter Classic brand?
  21. Still sounds like a type of shirt to me, and still doesn’t explain why it needs to be exciting. There are plenty of great baseball shirts that aren’t exciting in the least.
  22. It’s a shirt. Why does it need to be exciting?
  23. The Cowboys have purposefully worn off-color pants for decades (something about Jerry wanting them to look better on TV way back when), but I do feel that the color difference appears more exaggerated now, which is likely a byproduct of 1. photos and TV broadcasts being clearer and more vivid, 2. fabric dyes and inks being more vibrant and colorfast, and 3. more indoor, nighttime, and artificially lit games, which makes the color difference painfully obvious. I’m theorizing this because the royal blue also looks more vivid today compared to decades past, and the warm sunset light creates a much better match between helmet and pants on Aikman and the crew compared to Dak in midday sun. You don’t get those twilight games too much anymore because of the prevalence of indoor stadia and prime time TV slots.
  24. Poorly drawn? Have you seen the gross, bumpy curve along the bottom of the old one? How about the oddly off center “counter” of the B? The old one Indeed felt like it was trying to do both things equally well, and I think it lacked a clear hierarchy as a result. The new one is more clearly a glove first and foremost. It does take slightly more effort to discover the MB, but I think that makes it *more* clever, not less. It has enough separation to retain the purposeful and distinct forms of the letters, but now they’re really good supporting actors instead of the sidekick who’s trying to steal the spotlight from the star. I also think it’s a huge aesthetic improvement. The drawing quality of the curves is night and day, as mentioned above, and I think the location of the ball works better, too, as the off-center ball made for a really ugly B and killed some of the positive/negative relationship in the old one. The biggest improvement for me, though, is definitely the balance and composition. The old one is optically narrower, I think because of the taper toward the top of the thumb. The open web made the M feel almost like it was “sliding” off the B and that tiny detail gave the whole mark an unstable feeling, like it’s tilting to the right. They nailed the new one in this regard, filling out the mark by evening the thickness of the thumb, centering the ball, and giving the outer edge of the thumb just a slightly softer curve. Connecting the web actually serves a great purpose to that end, “holding” or “pulling” the M back toward the the center, which brings the stability back. It also brings some visual weight back to the web area, which does wonders for that positive/negative relationship. Looking at them side by side, especially with the squint test, the new one looks much more full, balanced, and uniform In almost every way. With that said, there’s probably a nice in-between step here that would both clean up the composition and quality but retain more of the old one’s details to make both sides happy. There’s also no discernible benefit to changing the orientation of the ball seams the way they did, so that could very easily revert, as could the counter in the web. I’d honestly like to see what an ultra-simple stitch pattern that resembles a wheat stalk looks like running through the ball.
  25. That new skinny yoke was developed to bring a little more authenticity to some of these vintage looks, and the lettering is meant to evoke both what the Texans wore in their later days and act as a hypothetical “prequel” to the Stars’ current numbers, so it’s mostly coincidence that there’s so much overlap with the old Cowboys’ looks, but it’s definitely one of the things that brought it home, given that the Cowboys played their first decade in the Cotton Bowl. Crewnecks (and maybe V-necks) for the Texans. I can’t remember exactly what my dig uncovered, but it definitely wasn’t laces.