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  1. On 1/20/2019 at 12:18 PM, WavePunter said:

    I've kinda illustrated my point here, albeit crudely.. but it's not difficult to see how following the sleeve seam and running into the cuff could work pretty well..



    I don’t love the little curve into the armpit/cuff area, but that’s a pretty minute nitpick. I think it’s a nice look. My biggest concern would be how crowded the front looks with two full digits, especially on a team like the Colts, whose numbers are wider.


    4 hours ago, mbannon92 said:

    @andrewharrington is something like this what you're envisioning? Essentially what @WavePunter did in the LSU mockup above, but tapered at the bottom. I agree that this would be the most ideal solution for the UCLA stripe.




    Thats definitely on the right track, but I think I’d try to angle the stripes a little more in an effort to free up as much room as possible for the numbers. I’ll try to get a sketch together this week.

  2. 2 hours ago, oldschoolvikings said:

    So if all that's true, how is it the UCLA is currently pulling off what appears to be stripes that end in the arm pit and a on-sleeve TV number? IMO the Bruins current version of those stripes is by far the best looking one this century, and it's not even close. The Colts' and Jets' awkward cut-off versions have always looked embarrassingly half-assed. 







    Seriously?  This is a question?


    Honestly, if someone were to tell me they preferred the second picture to the first, part of me would be questioning if I was just being lied to.  It's incomprehensible to me.


    They’re constructed similarly. UCLA’s stripes are a little thinner, and because the inner edge of the stripe panel runs straight into the edge of the jersey’s side insert, you’re able to extend the stripe panel below the yoke seam. The stripe there is actually part of the side insert rather than part of the yoke panel. It’s essentially this with a side insert:




    Aesthetically, I still think it looks clunky where it starts to bunch and distort under the arm, and blocking it off farther down is still blocking it off. If I was going to argue it, I’d say that while UCLA’s jersey is more in tune with the spirit of the original design, the Colts’ jersey is a cleaner, more purposeful design because it effectively separates the design elements while maximizing efficiency and function in the build and fit. I think the solutions I’m trying to describe would be the best of both; clean design that also evokes the sprit of classic shoulder loops. I guess what I’m getting at is if I have to truncate the stripes by force, I’d choose to either do it as elegantly as possible (my suggestion) or just clean it up all the way (Colts). UCLA looks fine, but the in-between approach to solving the problem isn’t optimum to me.

  3. 9 hours ago, Old School Fool said:

    I don't mind the VICIS one but it looks too big on some players and the facemask options look weird.


    I personally think the Schutt Air XP Pro is the best one by far. It maintains the traditional helmet look while keeping it modern and safe.


    They definitely look big, but I’m getting used to it, and if that’s what it takes to change the way corporations think about and address impact protection, then that’s how it needs to be (though personally, I’d love to see the NFL more focused on the spectacular athleticism rather than the bone-jarring hits, becoming more of a 7-on-7 style of play but with 11 players and rugby headgear).


    Vicis’ side attachment bars do have an odd look to them, but again, it’s no different than when the Revolution and Speed(flex) first started showing up. Weird at first, but now the VSR4s look old to me :-). Other than the top two models, though, Vicis’ facemasks have always come across very simple and attractive to me, like modern versions of the classic styles.


    Vicis Facemasks

  4. 11 hours ago, JELKK said:

    I never thought they would use that logo outside of promotional material. I would still prefer a entirely seperate court design for the hickory color scheme.


    I don’t understand how they go as far as they do but don’t use the actual floor design. Mind-boggling.




    5 hours ago, Old School Fool said:


    I actually think the logo would be better at center court than the P logo which is not a good logo to have at center court and should be in a circle or something for it to really work.




    I definitely preferred the circle. It felt traditional and high school/collegiate in the right way; perfect for Indiana. It was also one of the few that not only bucked the trend of center court graphics growing to absurd sizes, but I think it was one of the only ones that actually kept to the regulation size of the center circle, which is exceedingly rare. R.I.P.




  5. Yeah. I mean, you could do a cuff stripe or just move the numbers up the shoulders as they do now, but I’m digging the idea of gold being limited to a small accent in only the sleeve and sock stripes and the rest being just red and white.

  6. 11 hours ago, AndrewMLind said:


    Which is the exact same thing as the Patriots’ Color Rush, as I mentioned, just with different color stripes. I was just giving two examples of a modified template created with a design on the shoulders in mind, not mentioning everyone that uses said template. 



    In my mind, though, you’re slowly making the stripes smaller as they come down to a point. Think about some of the Carolina Panthers’ uniforms (Cam Newton, for example) or how the Houston Rockets’ jerseys looked prior to the Nike takeover. I don’t think it would look any worse than LSU, Ole Miss or UCLA’s attempts — though using a smaller/thinner number font would help alleviate any potential issues there.


    Let’s also consider the photo below. The reason those stripes work is because they’re actually inside what would now be the sleeve cap and then taper off into that seam. Indianapolis, New York and New England (color rush) all have UCLA stripes on the shoulders, which — if we’re being entirely truthful — is an entirely different kind of stripe. There also isn’t room for the old way on the current templates, especially with TV numbers. To get your desired effect, you’d have to either eliminate the TV numbers or move them to the shoulder — though coming to the understanding that today’s uniforms simply don’t allow for the Colts to look as they were initially intended is probably the route to go. 




    My fault. I didn’t see you noted Color Rush there when talking about the Patriots.


    It’s good to bring up Cam’s tapered insert here. The way the blocked off shoulder loops are typically made is with a rib-knit strip that’s inserted into the yoke panel. Because the stripes on the strip are knit, though, you’re stuck starting with straight, uniform width stripes. To achieve a physical taper to the width of the stripes under the arm, the stripe insert needs to be sewn together from multiple pieces of fabric (this is how Carolina does it), or you could print the stripes on the fabric insert before it’s cut and assembled (this is how all sleeve stripes except Pittsburgh’s are done, I believe). As mentioned before, I simply don’t prefer the look of the stripes pinching under the arm, but the bigger issue is that it’s a much less efficient and much more difficult pattern to create, especially across a range of sizes. The block stripe is very simple and efficient by comparison, because the stripe panel is always the same shape and inserted in the same location. The length from front to back is the only potential variable when creating the size range (that’s a big reason why it’s a popular solution).


    As far as shoulder vs. sleeve stripe, you’re right that the construction is different, and moving the stripe into the footprint of the current sleeve panel leaves no room underneath for numbers and such. That’s what I’m getting at when I describe altering the base pattern. You’d essentially be leaving the shoulder loops where they are, but extending the sleeve panel to envelop them and then angling the stripe panel into that relocated seam. The stripes wouldn’t really move, but they would be part of the sleeve panel rather than the yoke panel and they would sit at a slight angle (like the old ones did) rather than vertically.


    You got me thinking, though. Maybe it’s better to move the shoulder stripes down toward the top of the sleeve panel and shift the numbers up to the shoulders. I generally dislike the idea of numbers above shoulder loops, but if you look at that Jets player up there, you can see that numbers and a logo together are pretty cramped. Maybe it’s time to reserve the sleeve for just stripes and manufacturer logos, moving all the numbers to the shoulders.

  7. I never noticed how much smaller the lettering gets when combined with the tomahawk (compared to the throwback design). There’s not really much you can do about it, though.


    All in all, one of the most subtle design changes that ever resulted in a live unveiling, but it’s all pretty well done. I still think the scripts could be refined a little, but the new ones are nice and they both look like the same style now, so it’s a net positive.

  8. 15 minutes ago, AndrewMLind said:

    If the Colts actually wore the Vapor Untouchable template, they’d probably use the same modified template as the Patriots’ color rush or Bengals’ uniforms (because of the contrasting yoke).


    That said, the Vapor Untouchable is probably the most design-friendly template there is. They could conceivably add seams to make stripes all the way around the sleeves if they really wanted to — or apply stripes in the same way they would most other sleeve stripes rather than sewing them into the fabric. 


    They would wear the Jets’ template with the sleeve caps the same color as the body; the Jets’ Color Rush jersey in blue, essentially.


    Physically wrapping the stripes all the way around would be difficult because today’s tighter fits remove a lot of real estate from the jersey. You’d probably run the risk of having two-digit numbers nearly touch the stripes on either side, especially on smaller sizes. If you look at the image below and imagine the stripes continuing down, you can see how they’ll nearly clip the corners of the numbers.




    I actually don’t like the look of the full wrap-around. I think the way the stripe pinches under the arm looks kinda clumsy and cheap (just as the blocked off stripes do).




    I think tapering them into the seam as previously discussed is the most elegant technique because it gives the illusion of the full wrap (it sort of implies the stripe is pinching under and wrapping around), but in a much cleaner and more controlled design.




    Below is another interesting shot. I think you could feasibly achieve something similar to this by simply cutting the stripe insert into a wedge shape like USC’s shoulder panel. Either way, I think the secret to getting it looking good is finding a way to get that tapered end to the stripes rather than the straight blocked end.



  9. On 1/15/2019 at 5:08 PM, DouglasQuaid said:

    They should make a modern version on the vsr4 with better technology. I think the NFL needs to preserve that classic helmet shape. The vsr4 is my all time favorite and its sad to see it go.


    On 1/15/2019 at 8:57 PM, johnnysama said:

    I agree. Although Schutt has tried hard to preserve that classic shape in some of their helmet models.


    On 1/16/2019 at 2:48 AM, Old School Fool said:

    I really want these helmet manufacturers to stop making helmets with stupid designs. I really hate the vents even though I'm sure there has to be a specific reason for it right? If not then it shouldn't even be a thing.


    On 1/16/2019 at 1:49 PM, simtek34 said:

    Yeah. Take Riddell and Schutt's safest helmets according to the 2018 NFL Helmet Test. Schutt Air XP Pro VTD 11 in Green, Riddell Speedflex Precision in Orange. Schutt's looks way more traditional, while Riddell's has so many Vents and Raised Sections.



    My favorite new design is the Vicis one. It’s got a classic round shape, large smooth sides that are a great canvas for design, a simple raised center portion that’s perfectly formed to hold stripes, and vents that are all specifically placed to avoid interfering with the stripe and logo decals. It also tests better than the others.



  10. 40 minutes ago, BrandMooreArt said:

    i love the Baltimore execution but i dont think there's enough sleeve on the Vapor Untouchable to pull it off. the stripes currently sit on the outside of the seam




    You’d just have to alter the base pattern a little. No big deal.




    Instead of running that seam directly into the armhole cuff (creating a sleeve cap), you’d want to run it all the way around and underneath the armhole cuff. Then you just angle the stripes right into it. If you want the number under the stripe, you may just have to scoot the seam in toward the neckline if the stripes are wider like the Colts.’

  11. 4 hours ago, WSU151 said:

    The Chiefs road jersey does look pretty nice without the yellow outline on the numbers...(granted it's a practice jersey, but it's "cleaner")





    That does look really nice. I’d be on board with them removing the black from the helmet and essentially becoming more  of a red and white team than a red and gold team. I do like the idea of keeping gold as a tiny accent in the stripe of an otherwise red and white look.

  12. 4 hours ago, WSU151 said:

    The Chiefs road jersey does look pretty nice without the yellow outline on the numbers...(granted it's a practice jersey, but it's "cleaner")





    That does look really nice. I’d be on board with them removing the black from the helmet and essentially becoming more  of a red and white team than a red and gold team. I do like the idea of keeping gold as a tiny accent in the stripe of an otherwise red and white look.

  13. 44 minutes ago, See Red said:


    I can't think of any other teams that use this awful font (that has grown on me a little)




    The basic form of the 2 is similar to the standard MLB numbers, but the pointed counters and thickness of the numbers depart from it. I actually like the Gators’ football numbers for the most part, though the trim on them is so small it may as well not even be there. Filling in the blue gap with orange would work better for me.

  14. 4 hours ago, oldschoolvikings said:

    And then there's this...




    This is the most common way that design has attempted to fix the visual shortcomings of blocked off stripes. It certainly works well when the players’ arms are at their sides, and while it is unquestionably better, to me it just scoots the problem down a little lower. I’d even argue that the conglomeration of seams and panels under the arm is not only just as ugly, but probably not very comfortable, either. UCLA’s new stripes actually feel a little narrow to me as well, and I’ll take it to the grave that this jersey would look better if the stripes were wedged and tapered into the shoulder seam like Johnny’s.

  15. 21 minutes ago, AndrewMLind said:

    But aren’t their current stripes also “blocked off” at the end? (It still technically runs into a seam based on a modified version of the Vapor Untouchable, but so then would a single stripe)


    They are. I think it’s serviceable because the full stripe design takes up a larger amount of space and we’re used to seeing it done that way for decades now. No one’s ever done a blocked off single stripe (to my knowledge), so it looks odd to see it that way. Both patterns, though, I think look better wedged into the shoulder seam, as demonstrated by Houston and that old pic of Johnny U.

  16. 1 hour ago, WSU151 said:

    I think that's fake...that NFL100 logo on the collar isn't anything close to the league's 100th year branding.


    Not the worst mock up I've ever seen, though. That NYT/NYJ logo is awful.


    I also don't think the first retail jersey leaked will be an Andre Roberts jersey. I'm guessing "19" is for the year...which Nike doesn't do.


    It’s interesting. It doesn’t look anything like the NFL100 logo we’ve seen, but it definitely wouldn’t surprise me to see a special iteration of the league branding on the collar. I don’t see the NFL100 logo working great on the collar, so maybe there’s an alternate shield-based application for the uniform. Likewise, the design of this feels very in tune with what’s been happening in the NFL (even though I don’t think it’s the ideal result).


    The logo is simply not working, and I don’t like the numbers, but it looks well done enough to be legit. The only thing I’d question is the fact that there’s no dimension to the applications, but this is also an image of a replica (which often have Photoshopped numbers and such), so I don’t think you can read into that part too much.


    Long story short, if this is fake, well done all around to the creator (not necessarily on the design itself, but on making it look like it might be real in both content and execution).

  17. 2 hours ago, AndrewMLind said:

    I like it!




    How is a single stripe on the shoulders truly any different from an idea standpoint than the crescent shape the Texans wear? I think both the middle and right photos are far superior to the Colts’ current look.


    I think the issue is that it’s just blocked off at the end. The Texans’ design is wedged into the shoulder seam, which looks more elegant and purposefully designed. Personally, I think all shoulder designs should be done that way. Running the stripes into the seam at a slight angle is the best way to replicate the proper look of a shoulder stripe being gathered under the arm:




    Here’s that exact technique modeled perfectly on Johnny himself. Perfect balance of truncating the stripe while maintaining the illusion that it wraps all the way around when the arms are down or up. It’s a much better solution than blocking the stripes off at the bottom.


    2 hours ago, Buc said:



    Not to jack the thread, but I took a stab at this solution once, several moons ago...




    From this thread, long since locked. If the Bears were to ever make any kind of update to their uniform, that's about the only way I could see them going about it. (And why did I not do any player models for that concept???) Oh--and there's "consistency" here with the striping as well. :)


    Oh and...I did one of those for the Colts, as well...


    Thats a great look as well. I think they could still get by and maintain a lot of design continuity by going with a solid white C (something they’ve done in the past), keeping the current sleeve stripes on both sets, and combining those with the solid-colored numbers that you’ve shown here. Either way, though, people be flippin’ out. 😂

  18. 28 minutes ago, Brian in Boston said:



    While sitting in the waiting room, anticipating the arrival of my physician, I opted to go "Zapruder" on the New York Jets video. The only things that really jumped out at me were:

    * Not all of the helmets seem to bear the individual off-white tags. Some do, some don't... at least not on the left-hand side of the helmet.

    * The yellow Riddell tags (they're seen being attached to the tan equipment bags) bear an address for a facility on Sugar Lane in Elyria, Ohio that Riddell vacated in 2017.

    My gut instinct tells me that nothing of consequence regarding the Jets' uniform overhaul can be gleaned from this video. As goforbroke opined, it's a "tease".  It was created by the Marketing and Content/Media departments of the Jets with the express purpose of generating buzz for the uni design change. Nothing more, nothing less. 


    There’s definitely nothing concrete or factual to learn from the video, but I definitely think they are setting someone up to be surprised. Whether that’s the people who already think they know the new helmet will be green or whether it’s the people who don’t pay much attention and will be surprised if the helmet isn’t white, well, that remains to be seen. Marketers are smart, and they don’t create and release content without a strategic goal in mind.


    With that said, I’d be surprised is this was designed so that people have to pick apart the minutiae of the reconditioning process in order to figure out what’s going on. Personally, I think it’s a lot simpler than that. Occam’s razor, if you will. As WavePunter noted, I’d guess they set it up to look like the helmets are going out for routine reconditioning and the tagging is there so that the manufacturers can rebuild the helmets to spec with the new shells and masks. I’d guess the helmets in the video without tags just haven’t been tagged yet.

  19. On 1/16/2019 at 3:45 PM, B-Rich said:


    While "Baby Cakes" is certainly less 'clunky' than "King Cake Babies" (and there is no doubt, THAT is the prime focus of the imagery, a king cake baby), 'Baby Cakes' is just as 'clunky' as 'King Cakes'.


    You're basically agreeing to my point-- that the owners and Brandiose came up with this monstrosity to market not to the locals, but nationwide.  There is nothing 'authentic' about the name whatsoever, no matter how much Mardi Gras imagery you stick on it; and the name is a slap in the face to locals.  And while I agree that it is easy to draw the line from Baby Cakes to "Oh, they're talking about a king cake baby", you miss that the immediate extension of that line, from locals young and old is "what the f...? Why would they even DO that?"


    Oh, and re: crawfish and 'mudbugs', sure. That's a common nickname.  Long time name of a Shreveport's hockey team.  But 'swamp lobsters' would be seen as what it is, a completely made-up and original contrivance (though a better fit than Brandiose's "Red Eyes')




    Well, your impressions are wrong, and a little lackadaisical. "You get the crown and you're 'king for the day' or whatever".   What's this crown crap?... Ain't no crowns involved in king cake, and no 'king of the day'.  And while we Southerners (and particularly South Louisianans) ARE great hosts, the king cake routine is nothing like that-- cakes are typically brought into office break rooms for workers to nosh on all day, or kids bring them to school to share, etc. And whoever gets the piece with the baby gets the next one.... if a king cake is at any party, or on a folding table on the parade route, they have about as much attention as the cheese dip, Popeye's chicken or mini-muffaletta trays.


    And you are right about there being commemorative 'cake figurines', but those are different and separate from the king cake babies.  King cake babies are cheap plastic things that are stuffed into (or under) a warm cake:



    The commemorative figurines, however, are porcelain, not plastic; are made by ONE bakery in town (Haydel's); come in their own separate Ziploc package OUTSIDE OF THE CAKE in addition to the baby inside the cake; always represent some aspect of Mardi Gras and New Orleans; and a different one is produced every year.   And yeah, my family does have a collection of those commemorative figurines which display and add to every year.



    Whenever you can come on down to New Orleans, give me a holler-- I'll show you what it's ALL about. 😉



    Thanks for the rundown. Very informative. I think I heard about the crown and “king for the day” custom from a college friend. Maybe it was his family tradition or something. Most of the documentation I can find on the subject of finding the baby, however, does paint it in a positive light, the only negative aspect, as you said, is having to bring the next one.


    Additionally, I totally understand not being on board with the concept of national marketing for a regional team, but given that’s obviously the goal for teams that are branding themselves in this manner, I still contend that Baby Cakes works better in the pursuit of that goal. It piques the curiosity of outsiders who aren’t familiar with the king cake tradition, which is a good move when trying to increase the reach of your brand. For better or worse, it engages (some) people to think, “What a silly name. I gotta check this out.” Then, before you know it, it’s, “OMG their logo is an angry king baby breaking out of a pastry! How outrageous! Take my money.”

  20. 3 hours ago, keyser.soze said:

    I had one quick question about Washington Redskins’ nameplate font. Is their’s the standard traditional nameplate font that most teams use? Or is it unique at all, ala Denver, Tampa Bay, etc. Didn’t think it was necessary to post a whole new thread for just one question; so hopefully somebody can help me out. Much appreciated!!


    It’s standard in the sense that it’s a plain athletic block style, but theirs and Oakland’s always stood out to me as being a little more narrow/condensed than other teams who use a basic block letter.

  21. 1 hour ago, WavePunter said:

    While that makes sense, it doesn't explain why the outgoing stock would be tagged and labeled so specifically.. 


    That’s the real nugget here. All this reconditioning/do they/would they paint the shells, etc. talk is far too technical to be part of an unveiling narrative. My guess is one of these two things is happening:


    1. The source images/descriptions that the leakers have seen/heard have been planted to mislead them and keep them off the scent, and the helmets will return, still white, but with new stripes and/or logos.


    2. These tweets are designed to mislead the general fanbase into thinking that the helmet is staying white, setting them up to be blindsided by a green helmet or something.


    If I had to put money on it, I’d guess number two, but at some point a brand or team is going to pull something to try and make leakers look like fools. It’s only a matter of time.

  22. 8 hours ago, Ice_Cap said:

    Things don’t exist in a vacuum. History plays a role in how we view most things, and it shouldn’t be discounted in pursuit of phantom “objectivity.”


    This is true, but I also think if you’re evaluating something like that, considering those subjective factors is part of the process. So, you have to ask yourself, what does the black in the Chiefs’ logo accomplish in terms of design, and what does it mean in the context of history?


    Black doesn’t do much for the design, in my opinion. It makes the small monogram look a bit muddy, and removing black from the arrowhead (or switching it out to gold) doesn’t present any contrast issues. I also think black makes the logo a bit drab compared to gold. Red and gold is beautifully vibrant and surprisingly unique in sports. Show it off on your important pieces. I’ve been wrong before, but I honestly don’t think the fanbase would mind bringing gold into the helmet, either. I bet a lot of people don’t even notice the black, let alone have an attachment to it.


    The historical argument is stronger, but I don’t see the Chiefs history on the same level as that of the Steelers or Yankees, for example. They had a great first decade (three AFL championships, one of which came in Dallas with a logo that featured gold, but not black 😉, plus the Super Bowl win after the 1969 season), followed by a couple forgettable decades and a couple decades defined mostly by the underachievement of several really good teams. If you ask me, the 49ers have a much better case to keep black in the logo for tradition’s sake, and while I think that mark would be better without black, I find their situation less egregious because their helmet has never abandoned either of the main red and metallic gold colors.


    Long story short, black in the Chiefs’ logo is a net negative for me, even when considering the historical context.

  23. 6 hours ago, B-Rich said:


    Now you're just reaching. 


    "There's a lot of background research into the names".   As I posted back in 2016 when the name was announced, from a local newspaper article that quoted directly from the Brandiose guys, they were here barely 2 DAYS doing on-the-ground research.   And to say, "specifically Baby Cakes would only work in New Orleans" is flat out wrong.  It doesn't even work IN New Orleans.  Brandiose and the out-of-town owners stated that they DERIVED the name; it is NOT even a real thing (the local term is and has always been "king cake baby").  They stated in their finalist name descriptions that a king cake baby "was sought after",  while New Orleanians know the exact OPPOSITE is true-- you don't want the piece with the baby, because by tradition then you have to buy the next cake.  Swallowing the baby or not owning up to getting the piece with the baby is even a long-running joke around here.


    Not knowing these things is the kind of "lot of background research" these guys do.  That's why 91% of respondents in an online poll after the name was announced HATED the name.


    These guys were so clueless that another one of their finalist names was "Red Eyes" for crawfish, despite the fact that (a) Crawfish do not have red eyes, and (b) NO ONE HERE HAS EVER CALLED THEM THAT.




    It's relevant because this was the point of the name change all along.  Nothing to do with building local interest, or picking a name that locals would go for, it was a short-term cash grab, which the owners essentially even admitted to. 


    Minor league merch-- just like MLB, NBA, NFL and NHL merch-- is now sold all over the country, so they came up with the most 'whimsical' "cute' 'silly' (stupid)  name that would sell the most merch nationwide-- not to locals in New Orleans, 91% of whom disapprove of it and who see the name as a joke-- but to the many more people in places like Atlanta, Tampa Bay, New York, Boise, etc. who want to wear something cute and recent and 'out there'.


    4 hours ago, Brian in Boston said:


    Well, then the quality of the background research being done isn't up to snuff. If it were, someone would have realized that "Baby Cakes" doesn't truly "work" in New Orleans, as the cultural icon being referenced is actually a King Cakenot a Baby Cake.

    Either that, or - as is more likely - someone decided that King Cakes wasn't a goofy enough name to lend itself to an over-the-top logo package. So, it was then decided that in order to justify the creation of a goofy logo with attitude, the idea of a king cake would be mashed-up with the idea of the baby figurine baked into said confection and the bastardized "Baby Cakes" identity was reverse-engineered.

    In short, there's a reason the name New Orleans Baby Cakes hasn't been "around since 1930": it doesn't mean anything within the culture of the New Orleans marketplace.  


    There are some good discussion topics here:


    Being able to travel to do research is a luxury, and you often pay for that out of your own pocket. If you’re taking research trips, it means you’re taking your job seriously, literally spending your own money in order to do a better job. And yes, you can learn a lot in two days.


    If you’re committed to naming your team after a religious pastry, why does the team need to be exactly the name of the actual thing? Why not use some creative license to make the name a little catchier? I’d argue that Baby Cakes is a better sounding name than King Cakes (which is a bit clunky), and debate the nationwide marketing approach if you’d like, but given that approach, I’d say Baby Cakes is the better name. It’s simply more recognizable and familiar to people as a fringe-level term of endearment, meaning it’s inclusively marketing those who don’t know what a king cake is (which is probably a lot of people outside the Gulf Coast region). If you do know what a king cake is, I think it’s pretty easy to draw the line from Baby Cakes to, “Oh! They’re talking about a king cake.” I mean they’re called crawfish, but you could probably figure out what I was talking about if I said mud bug or swamp lobster.


    Lastly, I’ve always gotten the impression that it’s good luck to find the baby. You get the crown and you’re “king for the day” or whatever. Sure, you’re chosen to supply the next cake, but I’ve never met someone from the south who *didn’t* want to cook for you or host a party. 😂 Ive even seen people with collections of various cake figurines, so I’d say “sought after” accurately describes the cake babies in some circles.

  24. 6 hours ago, AndrewMLind said:

    I’ve always believed Kansas City should drop the black outline and have a simple, white arrowhead with a red, interlocking KC inside. The only issue with that is the use of the logo on other applications. It’s fine on a red, black or yellow background, but the arrowhead would be non-existent on white. It needs an outline. That said, you’d probably have to have a red or yellow outline (the former disappearing into the helmet and the latter being a much different look than you have now). 


    In that case, you’d just reverse it to a red arrowhead with a white monogram. The arrowhead logo doesn’t rely on a specific dark/light relationship to work, which is what makes it a good, versatile mark. Truth be told, I think that would be much better than how they currently handle their logo across different background colors. The logo appears a bit blah on white because it’s 90% white, and they curiously add a white keyline to the arrowhead for dark backgrounds, which are not functionally needed on black or gold, and makes the red background variant different than what’s on their helmet.