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  1. Apologies if this has been talked about in this thread -- I have not seen anything about this, but it would appear that the Coyotes have new red helmets this season. Tonight is the first time that the red alternates have been worn this season. The helmets have a matte finish (which I can't recall seeing in the NHL before? Anyone know??) Last season, I am pretty sure there was just the normal "glossy" helmet finish. Personally I kind of like it as something different in the league , and the matte finish plays off of the muted tones of the jersey.
  2. It would appear that the vertical side panels are even worse than they initially looked….
  3. It looks to be new red gloves to match the pants? I wonder if the jersey base is going to be black or red here.
  4. Hurricanes wore red helmets with their white jerseys against the rangers. Interesting… didn’t there used to be a mandate for white helmets with white jerseys? It certainly seems to have been relaxed in previous years… I know there were some RR combos with dark helmets + white jersey. Hurricanes seem willing to experiment with their jersey base + gear combos. Makes me wonder if they will try red pants with black jerseys or something weird like that. Also makes me wonder about other teams changing it up when it comes to gear…. Preds yellow helmet and yellow breezers on the road? Sharks teal helmet on the road? It works well I think on teams with bright / unique colors. “Alternate” gear colorways like nfl teams playing mix and match with helmets and pants? If that ever happens, give the kraken some light blue gear for the road… sign me up
  5. Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but to me, the dot-diamond thing going on in the bottom-right image is implying some sort of gradient texture within the numbers, kind of like some hybrid between the Seahawks and Rams. I've really been trying to figure out what the bottom left image is showing. At first glance, the angled seam would indicate that it's showing the arm stripe. So.. the same stripe as the 2nd row, right column... just showing the light jersey instead of the dark jersey. Clearly though, the widths are different, and there is a lack of that diamond texture in the yellow-white-yellow stripe. Does this mean that there is going to be a weird inconsistency in sleeve stripe design from home<-->away, again much like the Rams? Or, does the white inner stripe "fade out" in to a different color using a dot gradient and we just can't see it in the teaser image...... like this sort of thing:
  6. Yes. Why are they not wearing that?
  7. To me, this set is the current Jacksonville Jaguars design in NBA form -- so, so boring. There's nothing to it.
  8. eh, why not? Im game. you have your "facts", heavily biased from one perspective, mind you, I have mine, biased the other way. Ever heard of optimism? It's a thing, I promise. I don't know if those are facts or not to be honest, I'd like to see a source. I'm fairly sure that the Coyotes made money in their first 5 years in the desert. They had Roenick and Tkachuk and Khabbibulin and a playoff team. Problem was, America West Arena was not well suited for hockey. There were a lot of blind spot seats, and the rink barely fit in the place that was supposed to be for basketball. Problems, yes, I concede. Still, it was a high-quality on ice product and there was still interest in the team in the Phoenix area. The real problems started with mismanagement of the team at the turn of the century and when the team turned bad, I mean the post-kachina-jersey era was rough, not many good players, bad coaching, etc. Like I said before, Arizona fans fluctuate with how well the team does. People started to stop paying attention as the team turned to crap, at the same time there was a new, very necessary arena being built. When fans stopped going to see a bad team, they couldnt fill the seats and the loan that Glendale took out started to look bad. In reality, if they are selling out this area at the time (Like they are doing NOWW)... we may not have this problem today. There's plenty of teams that are unprofitable. Many southern teams come in to mind, Dallas, Florida, etc. Some of it is because of lack of attendance, some of it's unstable ownership, some of it's the economy and consumer spending habits. Doesn't mean that all of the unprofitable teams in the league should up and move. The coyotes happen to be an extreme case of unprofitability, but the fanbase is there, the population is there, and what I would cite as ineffective marketing over a long period of time can be turned around. Also consider that the Westgate area is very nice and suited for hockey and a large amount of fans. It's built to accommodate hockey and if utilized to its maximum could be profitable in the long run. Those seats will start being filled as of next year after this run. Why would the NHL have a press conference announcing the intention to go through with an illegal deal? Yeah, you can name-call if you want, and if I want, I'll be "blind to reality". What you call naivety, I call optimism. What would you do if the Toronto Maple Leafs, were in bankruptcy? Would you give up all hope, interpret any news as a bad sign, and string up a rope to prepare yourself for the impending doom? Or, would you look on the bright side, interpret a press conference ANNOUNCING THAT SOMEONE HAS AGREED IN PRINCIPLE TO BUY THE TEAM as a good thing, and maybe disregard a few less-than-promising figures about the financial standing of your team in the spirit of hoping that your favorite team isn't gone forever? But you can call me a "mod edit" for hoping for the best if you desire-- as long as it makes you feel better that the coyotes are staying. Yeah, life's not a movie. Yeah, the team has problems. Sure. But there's always hope.
  9. Yeah, so how long have your "facts" actually been predicting the truth icecap? Weren't the Coyotes supposed to move like, 3 years ago because of your precious "facts"? Wait, they haven't. Haven't moved and they aren't going to. Sorry bout it. Oh, and I know I'm not exactly the poster boy for an unbiased look at this situation, it's pretty clear where my allegiances lie. But the only reason I'm on this thread with these types of " you guys" posts is because no one has been speaking for one side of the situation. Y'all are on some type of vendetta against the Coyotes... looking back through this thread with all of the multitudes of "yea they are definitelyyyy moving to QC" comments... I mean, it's not gonna happen. I'm fully aware that plenty of sarcastic, MOD EDIT comments are coming my way-- don't worry, I understand how the internet works. I get what a flamewar is. And clearly I'm poking the dog. Don't care. Fact of the matter is.... most of the NHL sees this as an incredible underdog story. Look at any other message board. I've seen so many people say they are behind the coyotes and their story, so many people from random teams saying.. good luck or.. I hope y'all beat the odds. No credit on here. Just hate.
  10. Jamison is clearly a wizard when it comes to marketing. He raised the Dallas Mavericks in the 80s from nothing into a team with a well-run management system. Seemed to do much of the same with the Pacers for a 6-year stint after that. And he was able to help turn things around in San Jose, now they are a perennial winner. The Coyotes have most of the pieces. Strong coaching staff. Hard working players with plenty of offensive big bodies, a few young up and coming speedsters on offense, veterans, and one of the best defensive corps in the league (including a minor-league system stacked on defense). Oh, a really good goalie. A crafty general manager. Nice arena with a huge parking lot and plenty of restaurants and shops surrounding it. So the main thing that was missing was asses in seats. The franchise was poorly run by Moyes and Gretzky, poorly coached, terrible draft picks, terrible trades, the mid 00s were not good for this team. As a result, people didn't show up. That's how it works in Arizona. Cardinals, not the best attendance, Super bowl run, fantastic attendance now. Diamondbacks, world series run sparked interest in the team in the early part of the century, attendance tapered off but the teams recent success in past couple of years has once again filled chase field. Now the Coyotes are one of the best stories in the entire NHL and, not surprisingly, the fans that are so off-and-on in Arizona are taking notice. The interest is there. The fanbase is there and it's growing every day that the playoffs continue. Jamison can use this opportunity to put a structured and targeted marketing plan in place for next year that continues to maintain attendance and loyalty to the team. He's done it in 3 other markets. This playoff run will most likely lead to an increase in season ticket sales, sponsorships, merchandise... now it's a matter of sustaining this increase in revenue and using it to cancel out all of the debt and effectively turn around the franchises fortunes. Obviously the most satisfying part of this playoff run is seeing the Coyotes win, it's exciting and it's a great feeling and honestly I wish I could make it out to the west coast for one of these games. But way down the list of "most satisfying" is probably seeing all of these bitter, anti-phoenix, canadians sputter as they search for more hate and poo to fling at the coyotes (oh, for the record, most small-market / non canadian hockey fans are rooting for the team, in case you haven't noticed, it's a pretty good script). The title of this thread shows exactly why less coyotes fans post on it. Because as soon as one steps up and offers a view other than what y'all believe, they get hazed and flamed and thrown in a road side ditch (wait, or am now i just talking about the ccslc in general? idk...). I haven't read this thread too much myself mostly because of that reason (besides the few drunken post-win celebratory comments)... but y'all can have your common sense and your conspiracy theories and your pessimistic look on the NHL. Go ahead. Take it. Phoenix is entrenched in one of the more magical sports runs in recent history and I'm along for the ride. Keep on hatin. Go coyotes.
  11. I hear that. It's about time this team gets some of the credit it deserves... but more so, it deserves a more stable franchise. Such a hard-working team and it takes some incredible mental toughness to play through such ownership turmoil and win two playoff series. the haters. Lay off us mathletes! I was speaking from experience. Nice avatar. Go yotes.
  12. Well, the NHL is the league that saw the Quebec Nordiques relocate to Denver in time for the 1995-96 season after winning the Northeast Division title in 1994-95. ...and go on to win the Stanley Cup the next year. Fair enough, you wouldn't think it would happen again. Boy, you need to get better at choosing teams! I know, right? Being a Phoenix sports fan living in Atlanta is highly dangerous if you also happen to like hockey.
  13. the haters. Mike Smith was a godsend. He may have saved the team. Can you really move them, after all this success? I know this forum is largely Canadian, and this thread is largely anti-Coyotes, and most of y'all would love to see a team in Quebec City. Well, I just wanted to chime in my small 2 cents, which is, basically, em. I'm a passionate fan. It's been absolutely agonizing to go through every day of this season, wondering if this is the last game I'll see of this team. Especially after I lost the Thrashers last year. The Coyotes have been proving everyone wrong for a while now, call it good, structured coaching, call it luck, call it "wizard"ry, dark magic. Call it Gary Bettman being a . I don't care, because Bettman is a huge , and I hate him, and he probably doesn't have the balls to move the Coyotes at this point. Can you really move them now? After a division championship against all odds? After 3 straight playoff appearances, against all odds? I don't think it's gonna happen. Either, someone steps up and buys this team over the offseason (Jamison? Treliving? Someone?), or Glendale forks over another 5 million. They already have 20 million in their budget to keep operating the team. The NHL will be asking for another 25 mil. Call me crazy, but after this success, people are gonna finally start showing up to the games next season. (yes, yes, I know, why didn't they show up this season? if you ask me, it's because people thought it was a given that the team would suck ass this year, and move. it didn't quite play out like that). Attendance was good to end the year. Jobing.com arena will be rocking for the playoffs. Another little 5 million isn't bad in the grand scheme of things, if the fine citizens of Arizona start going to the games. I'm talking out my ass at this point, my view of this situation is incredibly biased and probably far too optimistic. I don't care. All I really want at this point is a playoff series win, it's been far too long. And I want to know that my favorite sports team isn't going anywhere. Because goddammit, it's gonna hurt if they move, it's gonna hurt a lot. At least, I can take small solace in the fact that the Coyotes being a successful team in the past 3 years pisses off Canadian, pro-team-in-Quebec-City people so much. Just look at the quote that is the title of this thread. It's the biggest anomaly in pro sports. It's a paradox. So, long live hockey in the desert. And it, GO COYOTES.
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