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On 4/9/2024 at 12:47 PM, FiddySicks said:

Sutter Health Park was also built with the idea that it would some day be expanded into a MLB sized park. Sacramento has low key been vying for a MLB team since at least the year 2000. 

Chip Maxon's been on record as recently as last week saying that Raley Field (I'll never call it SHP for reasons)  was never engineered to have a second deck added to it.  I found it odd because up until a couple of years ago I'd heard it was expandable.

On 4/9/2024 at 1:16 PM, tigerslionspistonshabs said:

So at this point, let's say the Vegas deal implodes after the A's make the move to Sactown....would they likely then stay in Sacramento?

The answer is it depends.  The key issue being how much they would still be able to get from their television contract with NBCSCA because the close to $70 million they get from it is the reason the A's aren't temporarily relocating to the Las Vegas Ballpark.  Sacramento has a major flaw that MLB would have difficulty overlooking if the A's were to stay there and that is there is zero corporate base to draw support from.  It's why the Sacramento region was hit so hard during the 2008/9 recession.  Surprisingly, or not, city leaders did not learn form what happened and have done next to nothing to diversify Sacramento's economy.

On 4/9/2024 at 5:12 PM, TBGKon said:

I think at that point Sacramento could be an option, but you'd likely have the Salt Lake's and Nashville's of the world kicking the tires too.

See above.  Of those three Nashville would be the most viable.

6 hours ago, OnWis97 said:

I hate everything about the way this A's situation is going, starting with the fact that they're going anywhere. Moving north (i.e., away from Vegas) into a 14,000-seat stadium to play in a city of people that will probably be Giants fans after this shakes out is bad enough. But for three years?  Will anyone even remember this franchise when they get to Vegas?

 

If I lived in Sacramento, I'd definitely go to some games. The A's may be the A's but they'll have opponents worth watching. But it would not endear me to the team. It would just be a temporary thing to do for three summers. All of this is a bad look, including the fact that they can't play in a temporary setting in their new city because their new city is too hot to play outdoor baseball in.

Most of the people I know in Sac are already Giants fans and have been that way for at least the last 15 years or so.

It's also arguably too hot to play outdoor baseball in their soon-to-be temporary home.  Players are going to love playing in 115 on a Sunday afternoon in August in Sacramento.

13 minutes ago, TBGKon said:

FCL Mets

 

Dear NY Mets, Please make this jersey an alternate preferably replacing that atrocity of a black jersey.  This is fun, vibrant, different, and above all uses the actual Mets colors.

On 2/16/2024 at 10:22 AM, TBGKon said:

The arena has been there in KC for what, 15 years now and no permanent tenant?  KC probably needs ownership interest first, since we saw Vegas and Seattle added thru expansion.

The arena operators don't want it.  They make plenty off of all the events the arena gets currently and they don't believe an NHL team would draw enough to warrant it for the number of dates a team would require.

1 hour ago, LMU said:

For those who keep thinking that the A’s can somehow survive in Oakland, even taking ballpark issues aside, this isn’t exactly much of a confidence instiller.

 

Combining with stories like this.

 

The In N Out in question along with the two gas stations mentioned are on the other side of 880 from the Coliseum all use the same exit.  Makes me wonder if the "smash and grab spree" doesn't extend to the Coliseum parking lot on game days.

1 hour ago, Walk-Off said:

As I understand it, the City of Las Vegas proper does not include the Tropicana site (or at least the majority of the whole Las Vegas Strip, for that matter), Allegiant Stadium, or T-Mobile Arena; all of those properties are in an unincorporated part of Clark County, Nevada.  Thus, I suspect that the Las Vegas mayor's recent comment about the A's and their current ballpark quest stem ultimately from a rivalry with and/or jealousy toward unincorporated Clark County, and I doubt that she would express a wish that the A's work something out in Oakland if the team were targeting an at least equally problematic site that happened to be within the Las Vegas city limits.

You'd be correct, the City of Las Vegas includes none of The Strip as the city line starts at Sahara Avenue.

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I'd care more about the mayor's opinion if the Tropicana site was in the city limits where she would have some control, and if she wasn't in her last year in office. 

Back in the 80's RC Cola was served at Shea Stadium.

In what might be a first I like the majority of these and would consider buying the 10-15 I have my eye on.  I'd just really like a patchless version.

It'd at least be fun if the Isles wore orange helmets but it's the Isles a special one-off helmet is probably not in the budget.

The Marlins should make the blue jersey their home.  When I toured Marlins Park two weeks ago I was saying to the guide that they should do exactly what they did to the blue jersey.  Now I know why I got the look I did.

While not as bad as either of the black monstrosities the Islanders used years ago these Stadium Series jerseys are .  Straight trash.

The easiest way to "improve" the Mets black jersey other than unleashing Chris Sale or a serial arsonist on them would be to reverse the orange and blue on the script and numbers.  But the Mets should have left these in 1998 when they were introduced.  

Patrick Roy returns to the NHL as head coach of the...New York Islanders.

That Daniel Jones contract is paying off nicely. 

2 hours ago, See Red said:

Felt like a very winnable game for Florida if they'd just quit the procedural penalties on 3rd-and-short that killed all their damn drives in the red zone. Not thrilled about the lack of discipline but happy with the contributions from young talent. Napier needs an OC or someone in his ear telling him no on some of his playcalls.

You must not have Spectrum as your provider.  I wanted to watch but Spectrum and ESPN had other thoughts.

4 hours ago, BBTV said:

AAA Umpire Lew Williams was called up today to fill in at first base during the Nationals vs Phillies double header.

 

In his first major-league game, he had not one... not two... but three calls overturned, including two that weren't even a little close.   In fact, after he mistakenly called Castellanos out running to first, the then immediately mistakenly called him out on a pickoff attempt.  So he botched two calls in a row on the same guy.

 

It's pretty safe to say he'll never get called back to the big leagues.  I'm not sure if they keep stats on number of calls an umpire has overturned, but three in one game - let alone your first game - has to be a record.

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38158660/umpire-nationals-phillies-game-three-calls-overturned

Sure he will.  Someone will have to replace Angel Hernandez when he's either fired or retired.

I hope he has a great internist.

15 minutes ago, IceCap said:

Chances are I'm in a Leafs sweater and he's in a Sharks sweater. 

 

We bond over shared crushed dreams 

Are they both Belfour jerseys? 

10 hours ago, BBTV said:

Stop with Louisville.

Agreed, add Kansas City to this list too.  The arena owners have said on multiple occasions they make more money without an NBA or NHL team than they would with.

2 hours ago, bosrs1 said:

 

Have you seen their attendance this year? And that is pre announcement of the move. Post announcement we may get a new all time record for lowest average attendance. 

You're talking about a team that hasn't drawn over 2 million since 2005, hasn't drawn over the league average since 2003, and has clearly demonstrated they don't care about attendance in a sport where the gate is maybe the third most important revenue source.  To Fisher another year at the Coliseum isn't a big deal.  It's especially not a big deal when I'm sure he doesn't want to pay ALCO a $45 million lump sum if they leave in 2024 because of conditions in the purchase agreement for the county's portion of the Coliseum site.  If they leave at the end of 2024 they'll still be on the hook for a $30 million lump sum payment to the county.  I'd venture to guess that's at least 15 million reasons why they'll play in Oakland next season.

MLB doesn't care either because Selig cleared them to move out of Oakland prior to signing the lease they're in now.  

1 hour ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

Ja suspended for 20 games because the NBA doesn't support the second amendment.

 

I'm joking of course but you never know which grievance culture is going to conveniently overreact to stuff they otherwise don't care about.

 

I don't know what the right punishment is.  Feels like 41 games would have sent a clearer message, but that's just me.

It was 25 games.

3 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

 

A really impressive, and knowing what PACER costs to use, expensive dive down the rabbit hole.  

First, I want to say you did a very impressive job with the research and grabbing the documents here.  I would point a couple of things out for purposes of context that are important regarding the territorial rights issue.

The biggest thing is that the issue over territorial rights was never considered because they did not survive the initial motion to dismiss by the defendants.  (See paragraph 31 of Defendants' Answer to Plaintiffs' Complaint, document 46 on the docket and 46.pdf in the folder, referencing the dismissal of the allegations pertaining to paragraphs  62 and 63 of Plaintiffs' Complaint).  Is anyone still awake after that?  Then just like nearly every federal district court I've ever dealt with likes to do, once the federal claims were gone, they declined jurisdiction over the state law claims and kicked it over to Santa Clara Superior Court.

That's your Civil Procedure lesson for the decade. 

But from what I gleaned from the Complaint is that the territorial rights agreement was never reduced to a writing and was a "gentleman's agreement".  Mind blown on that one.

Here is an article from the SF Chronicle detailing more of the territorial rights issues between the A's and Giants with some good legal analysis from the lead attorney for the A's in the above-mentioned case and other prominent Bay Area attorneys.  

1 hour ago, SFGiants58 said:

On another note: in my research, I never found out how the A's acquired the territory rights for the South Bay. As originally drawn up in 1958, the Giants' territory only included San Francisco and San Mateo counties. Since the A's arrived 10 years after the Giants, I guess that's when they acquired them? Since the Chicago teams both play in the same county, the LA teams arrived within three years of each other (and played in the same county at the start), and the New York market is so large; I guess this is why their territorial splits haven't been as strange and acrimonious.

Did your research uncover the alleged conditional rights agreement between the A's and Giants from 1990ish?  I use the term alleged because whether the transfer of rights to San Jose was conditional would have been at issue there.  I wonder since it was contested, whether it was an exhibit in any of the pleadings or other documents in either the federal or state case.  If so, is it contained with the files mentioned in the link in your post?

2 hours ago, bosrs1 said:

 

You think they’ll actually play another lame duck season in 2024 after the embarrassing show 2023 has been?

If they don't go straight to the Las Vegas Ballpark in the interim then yes I do.  We've seen that ownership either isn't embarrassed by or cares about the low attendance figures.  Considering that the River Cats couldn't wait to dump the A's for the Giants when the franchise agreement came up I don't think they would have any interest in hosting the "couch surfing" A's.  I understand that the Kings now own the River Cats but it wouldn't make much business sense for them to let the A's play at Sutter Health Park.  Thus, it'll either be Las Vegas or Oakland.

3 hours ago, TBGKon said:

You can find more info here, but Sacramento is in play because of the media market.

 

https://ballparkdigest.com/2023/05/30/legislators-debate-new-las-vegas-ballpark-sacramento-to-host-as/

 

 

And as I said somewhere earlier in this thread just because Darrell Steinberg said something doesn't mean it's in play.  The River Cats don't play in his city or even in Sacramento County (West Sacramento and Yolo County respectively).  The reason as that article states Steinberg was being coy about things, is because like 99.9% of what he says this is coming out of his rear end.  Take what he says with a gigantic grain of salt because nothing Darrell's said over his tenure as mayor came to fruition.  Unless something is coming from the mayor of West Sacramento or Yolo County officials you can safely ignore Darrell.

This is even before we broach the issue of what corporate sponsorships they would be able to get locally because as a government town Sacramento is devoid of major corporations.  I'm also not certain they'd draw very well in Sacramento either as over the last decade-plus Sacramento's become a far more solidly Giants town.

My prediction is they'll either play those two years out in Las Vegas with a very small possibility of a split with Reno to try and drum up some interest statewide or stay in Oakland barring the city terminating the lease early.  Of course IIRC most baseball fans in Reno are Giants fans and they'd run into the same issue with sharing a ballpark with a minor league team.

tl/dr: No chance the A's use Sacramento as a temporary home.