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I'm sure vince is not worried one bit now that he has access to that sweet saudi cash...I'm really starting to question wwe's true motivations and think that mcmahon and his ilk only align themselves with patriotism and pro USA stances when they stand to profit off it. Maybe we are all getting played for fools here?

What does the frequency have to do with my observation?

I'm starting to think the whole controversy was a farce from the get-go and those that promoted this fake controversy took advantage if a very vulnerable group that lacks the emotional maturity to see nuance in an increasingly complex world.

Agreed. The idea is nice, I see what they were going for, but the execution is poor. The set as a whole just looks a bit sloppy. Care to elaborate? I honestly think the originals were one of the best modern nba designs of all time. The only thing I'd change to update them today would be to drop the detailed tim on the collars and maybe make the drop shadow less dramatic or replace it with an outline. Those changes seem pretty minor.

Completely agree with the Pats. The raiders on the other hand I completely disagree with. The sheer simplicity of the design, balance of colors, and timeless yet rebellious primary logo is about as good as you can get with a uniform. There's not a single element that stands out on its own but it's the uniform in totality that makes it damn near perfect.

By reverse colour are you referring to a top to bottom navy with white pinstripe set or just a gray version?

But this could be an eBay hoax, but glad they didn't. They look way too much like the Ravens, sans purple. It isn't a hoax, it was an actual prototype. They used to have a section in the teams HOF inside the Superdome called "The Locker Room" that featured all of the teams previous uniforms that they wore. When I looked around I saw this prototype on the floor and posted on the wall next to it were it's concepts and a write up about the proposed change. Apparently the NFL was toying with the idea of letting teams wear alternate helmets and the Saints proposed a black one similar to their illegal '69 version but with their current logo. That section in the Superdome has since been closed off for more player portraits and the uniforms relocated to an inclosed glass wall section. I didn't see the prototype amongst the uniforms although it was only about three of them in there. I snapped as many pics as I could at the time, they're crude, but so was my Samsung slide out at the time LOL. If that's the case then it appears that somebody that worked for the saints or at least had access to a prototype jersey and just threw in some of the standard gold pants to complete a set to make some quick $ on ebay. The shield inconsistencies between the jersey and pants are a dead giveaway that the listing is pieced together.

The major flaw with that jersey is that the inside of the shoulder star needs to be blue, not white (like the '94 white version). From memory rbk and their manufacturer really mangled that look compared to the original apex versions in terms of consistent star placement, sleeve proportions, and nameplates much like they did with the bengals pre nike.

I agree. nd is one of those instances where the painted helmets were just a superior look to the hydroskinned vesions. Regardless of the fact that they more accurately portray the golden dome better they new helmets just don't look as good on field. The khaki pants are also inferior to the shiny old gold. Their all time best look was with champion/reebok when they added the dome to the collar and had contrasting gold collar/cuffs.

It was a real head scratcher for sure. Not sure what the issue was because I don't think the non block font changed the following season unlike the JAGS which had to completely ditch their skinny drop shadow custom font and adopt a new one (legibility I assume) for the regular season.

But this could be an eBay hoax, but glad they didn't. They look way too much like the Ravens, sans purple. That would've been a huge upgrade, except for the white pants. That number font in gold outlined in white would have worked too. The white numbers with stripeless pants and black-white-black helmet stripes would have been almost a carbon-copy of Purdue. EDIT: didn't see the black stripe on the pants with the logo (those pants must be from 2002 or later because of the NFL Equipment logo). As it was mentioned the pants have the equipment logo whilst the jersey only has the shield. Also it looks like champion's last season as their supplier was '96. Given the inconsistencies, I'm going to say it's an elaborate fake.

I completely agree about stirrups. They are obsolete by definition. Also to clarify the early stirrup was simply a colored sock with the heel and forefoot removed. The ribboned stirrups with exposed sanitary look from the 60-80's was actually a non-traditional and pointless look and actually has no place in baseball. I'm all for colored socks and prefer them over long pants but stirrups are simply not the answer. They were a stop gap measure from a bygone era. I also would prefer that nfl teams had the option to go with non-white bottom socks. The bottom white half is pointless and the nfl has a past history with a 100% dark sock.

There is only one person who these Bulls black-pinstripe unis would be perfect for: Once he left, they would look very awkward at whoever wore them. The lack of the pentagons on the shorts gives the set a downgrade in my book. The bull just looks lost on the pinstriped short. Also I think the pins could have been thicker.

1. if it's a classic team with a classic uniform they get a pass (cardinals don't, colt's do)2. same as 1 3. depends on if the color is suppose to be shiny or not (old silver and gold pants>new matte one, new colored pants>old shiny ones) Again, I don't care if its a 'classic'. Every time I see those uniforms I can't help but think how much better the 49ers would look with a red facemask, the colts with a blue one, etc. Same goes for the shoes.A red facemask would stand out on the 49ers' helmets in a way the grey masks just don't, to the overall look's benifit.The previous set was superior to the current retro in every way and looks so much better in retrospect. With a few tweaks it would have been awesome: convert black shadow to outline, remove sleeve/pant logos, and lighten the red a bit. Done.

They were nice, to be sure, but I wouldn't use the "C" word. That logo was awfully cartoony and got dated quickly; the Edge update did wonders to help them out in that respect. The current logo has much more of a cartoony/over-designed/minor league feel than the original. It's only a matter of time before the original set comes back in some form.

Yeah since the ducks jersey was supposed ot be rec leauge in the movie it looks fine. The rest completely DIY. The numbers/wordmarks look bubbly and uneven. I see what appear to be loose threads fonts, that are almost there, odd tag placement. Looks like what I'd expect if I asked somebody to make me a jersey based on a photo of an authentic jersey.

Well the photo quality doesn't look great but honestly it looks like you got exactly what you paid for.

this has nothing to do with high and mighty...I'm not justifying the price point but you're completely ignoring the cost of shipping, overstock distribution not to mention the multiple entities that get a share of the margin...what you are seeing with many types of products in the marketplace is a trend toward raising the price points which prices some consumers out of the market but allows for higher margins at the expense of loyal consumers. Right, but that's not really what I meant. I understand that there's a cost to doing business. My main point isn't so much about the final cost of the product, it's about the final cost coupled with labor costs. If you're going to charge so much, you should at least pay your labor force. And since you mentioned shipping costs, it's a lot cheaper to ship a jersey from a factory in Missouri than from China. I'm totally on board with fair trade. It's disgusting hearing about the labor conditions in some countries. Just look at what happened at that garment factory in Malaysia

this has nothing to do with high and mighty...I'm not justifying the price point but you're completely ignoring the cost of shipping, overstock distribution not to mention the multiple entities that get a share of the margin...what you are seeing with many types of products in the marketplace is a trend toward raising the price points which prices some consumers out of the market but allows for higher margins at the expense of loyal consumers.

Actually I disagree somewhat having dealt with this issue first hand. A couple of points. We can all agree that counterfeiting is IP theft and illegal in the US. Purchasing all counterfeit goods is also illegal but rarely enforced. IP owners can often unintentionally create a market for counterfeits by pricing out or restricting supply to segments of their customer base. It's often up to the IP owners to enforce their own anti-counterfeiting measures due to lack of law enforcement resources. IP owners need to factor the cost of counterfeiting/lost sales/damage to the brand when bringing their product to market. In a nutshell, counterfeiting is illegal but also a cost of doing business if you are an IP owner.

I've thought about this a couple times before. Does it make someone a hypocrite to download music while chastising someone for buying a knockoff jerseys? Short answer: No! Long answer: Musician, both on major and independent levels, make the vast majority of the money from things other than music sales. They get so little money from stuff sold in stores or online. Merchandise sales, record sales at shows, and shows themselves bring in far more money. Hell, I know of several musicians/bands that tell their fans to download and if they want to help out the band, buy merch/tickets. Do designers have the ability to go on tour and sell merch/tickets to make money? No. I have a question. Do designers make royalties for the number of jerseys sold? And I so does it vary from company to company? Designers are paid for their work. From that point, the team owns all the rights to the logo/jersey/wordmark. So because the designer doesn't make royalties so it's ok to buy knockoffs? Uhh, when did he say that? And to contribute to the thread, I'm not really sure how I feel about fakes. I mean I personally wouldn't wear one but i also don't wear jerseys anyways, that's just me. If people want to walk around looking ridiculous then more power to them. I always laugh when I see a fake because they look so bad, I don't even have to be familiar with the team or even the sport for that matter to be able to spot a fake jersey from a mile away. I lean towards the belief that the people who buy fakes for the most part wouldn't pay 250 for a real one if the option to buy a fake didn't exist at all, so the NFL isn't losing out on too much profit. I mean the people who search google for "cheap nfl jersey website" probably wouldn't in a million years fork out hundreds for a jersey if that was their only option for a jersey. Possibly, but they could have used the money the spent on a fake to by a licensed t-shirt, sweatshirt, etc... from nfl.com or any licensed retailer. or even DIY which I believe is legal as long as you don't resell it

Theft is theft...if you like paying for and wearing counterfeit goods more power to you...just because you didn't steal the design and manufacture a copy yourself you are still within an arms length of the transaction...the other point being the authorities have the right to confiscate your knock-off jersey from right off your back if deemed counterfeit. There's a decent documentary on cnbc on knock off goods and what they show is a huge sting operation where both the buyer and seller are arrested. You could maybe learn a thing or two from watching it. In regard to metallica, they own all of their copyrights outright which is very uncommon for a band which is why they were so pissed. If you saw a few million $ of sales being siphoned off from from your business you'd be pissed too.

There's only one argument and you'e on the wrong side of it.

I don't agree with counterfeiting at all but the leagues have created this mess themselves by pricing so many people out of the market and like others have said the budget jerseys that have been created are just a joke.

Agreed. The current Home is the best jersey in Sharks history. Just remove the front numbers absolutely not...the original black/teal/silver was perfect and should have never changed