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I quite like the wave pattern but I don't think that lighthouse T in the wordmark on the back works.

I don't know, I think that's a pretty cool deal. Looking at the site, it's only Upper Level seats and people have to claim their tickets at the beginning of each home series, so it's not like they're handing out primo seats.

I just picked Dallas NFL and Philadelphia MLB because those were the two most recently listed in this thread. I don't seriously think it would work there, it was just examples I don't seriously think Constitutions would be a good name. I thought that might have come across since I named the Dallas team the Fort Worthers, but I guess not.

Sure there might be a high enough population in a given city/market, but will there be enough people to switch their existing allegiance for a second team? Be it the Philadelphia Constitutions baseball club or the Dallas Forth Worthers football team, is there enough space to wiggle in a build a fanbase?

The sock proportions are off and I also prefer the old, non-red all the way down sock style.

I forgot the Celtics do that for the retired players.

I was at the Saddledome last weekend and I counted 46 banners spread across 4 teams. That's got to be one of the most in terms of teams and combined banners, right? The only ones off the top of my head that I can see being higher is Staples and the TD Garden, but those both have less teams. Any other thoughts? For the curious, the Hitmen have the most with 21, then the Flames with 18, the Roughnecks with five and the Wranglers have two. The Flames and Hitmen banners are on big pipes at the opposite far ends of the arena, while the Roughnecks are on the first blue rafter to the left of the scoreboard (in this picture below from however many years ago) and the new Wranglers ones are on the first blue rafter to the right of the scoreboard (not in this picture). I'm in the Saddledome mostly for Hitmen games and first noticed last season that they started pulling the Roughnecks banners up into the rafters for those games, which I overheard an usher answering someone else saying that those were pulled up because of the Flames flamethrowers. Two weekends ago I was at a Hitmen game and the Wranglers banners were down as the Wranglers had only raised them the day before but during the Hitmen game last weekend, the Wranglers were pulled up also. I'll be at the Ducks game in Calgary this season and plan to attend at least one Roughnecks game, so I'll have to remember to see which banners are out when.

I don't think I agree with knocking a team's brand consistency because they don't look the same over history because each look is essentially a different brand that needs to have it's own level of consistency, plus that ignores other factors that go into a team rebranding including relocation, ownership changes and larger design trends at the time. I think "brand inconsistency" in can only be applied to the current branding and maybe how a team includes different aspects of previous branding. People wearing different jerseys from a team's history doesn't mean a brand is inconsistent, it just means that people prefer one look over the other and that the team decided to change colours. (I also think a "true" look of a franchise is an overblown discussion). For example, the Ducks have worn two different looks. The first for 13 years and the second/current for 17 with a clear throughline that can be drawn in the current look. I would say that's pretty consistent. Calling the Ducks inconsistent also ignores just how much the first look was uniquely tied in the ownership at the time and that the new ownership kept the same, consistent, branding of a duck. The Ducks aren't out here wearing a black/orange/gold home and an [insert name of purple]/jade away right now. Nor do they have different logos for different jersey templates. Tampa has also only had two looks over 31 years. Dallas has had four over 29 but that includes a relocation scenario where Dallas didn't really have their own jerseys for a handful of years (which would most likely never happen again in a relocation). Calgary has had four over 43. All these teams are way more consistent currently that Carolina currently is and those teams don't have people saying "um ackchyually, Carolina may wear three different jerseys with three different logos but their names are the same font", Carolina just didn't change happen to change colours ever.

Yes, it does matter how difficult it is to prove because it is not an extremely basic, easy-to-grasp concept unless you are thinking in the most surface level understanding. Yes, "innocent until proven guilty" is the baseline and how guilt is legally doled out and how people should be assumed to be, but it is often used as an over simplified rebuttal without considering how the legal system functions, how certain crimes and people are dealt with, the difference between "innocent" and "not guilty", etc. You can keep caping for Watson by using semantics and saying he wasn't found guilty so that must mean he is innocent, but that ignores the realities of the justice system and the various outcomes/offshoots/repercussions of starting at "innocent until proven guilty". Especially for something of what Watson was accused of. I'll just be done with this now.

By the strict legal definition, he is 'innocent" as in he has not been found criminally guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. However, what he "allegedly" did is infamously hard to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law and many such cases will never even come close to a criminal trial because of it. As stated by others, there is also a difference between "innocent" and "not guilty". They are not the same thing.

I bet a lot of you will just absolutely love what the Moose Jaw Warriors do for their helmets.

I might just be done with the Jets unless something majorly drastic happens. At least I know I'm done doing anything this season besides getting the game start and game end notifications. I was even able to get some fun out of recent seasons but it's just not enjoyable anymore. The organization appears to not be able to do anything correctly, the online fanbase is becoming increasingly more and more miserable to interact with and I am not even from NYC/State so there's not even a connection there. I guess I'm still a Jets "fan" until I'm not but I am getting less and less invested each day.

The fact that one of the "official" photos posted by a team was a selfie with a couple of those Times Square characters (that they would have had to pay for) is very apropos.

Yes!

I'm wondering if it's because they are going to be the "home" team for Sunday's game and didn't want to bring both sets of helmets.

Oh no. One of the most make-work positions in a make-work industry admits to making up things for tv hits that nobody seems to enjoy doing?

I'd tend to agree with you. Some people out there are pretty dumb but I don't know if going with a vague description of Carolina or California or New York is going to fool somebody once they announce the sites where the team is going to play their limited home games. There is an argument for going broad and try not to alienate any potential fans but you can go too broad and not get anyone to care if you're seemingly too flighty or non-committal. Especially in case like this where, as an outsider, there seems like issues could arise getting people to buy in to a home team.

Not that I've watched or followed the PLL at all, Roughnecks and the NLL for me, but I can't see the vision in (seemingly) randomly assigning home cities, when most of the cities aren't cities, to teams after teams have been established for a couple years and then still doing the touring method. Like how much of a home fanbase can be cultivated when the home team will only play two home games every handful of weeks, if that? How many existing fans are actually going to switch allegiances because their team isn't their home team now? I also know from the NLL that a large portion of players don't actually live in the city the team is based out of and I assume that's even more the case in the PLL, so it's not going to be as easy to have players show up to city or community events to build support/rapport/advertise if they aren't going to be playing in the city.

I wonder how much of these jerseys, and the fact there's still no names yet, was impacted by the widely negative response to the leak of the names?

There was part of an article during either this most recent baseball season or the one previous talking with Angels minor league/tweener players where some were commenting on how it was a bit of a hassle to have two sets of cleats/batting gloves/accessories when moving between the black and yellow Salt Lake Bees and the red Angels. I would agree with you mostly but the one question I have is, is it simply practicality or is it the NHL team wanting their AHL team to look similar and the practicality is a result? Because all AHL equipment is CCM, so it's not like an AHL team has to source different equipment brands and a player could conceivably want to wear a different brand in the NHL when they have the choice. Also, the majority of AHL teams don't use the same jerseys as their NHL counterparts.

Double post because I forgot, the Hitmen's radio colour guy for about a dozen years up until 2017 (I can't seem to find a start date but if memory serves, probably since around the same time the current play by play guy started) was a long time and active police officer who got pretty high up within the Calgary Police Service by the time he was done on colour. He's since retired from the police and is now the Senior Director of Corporate Security for CSEC.

Calgary has had some pretty lengthy ones on the radio. The Flames a guy for their first season of 1980-81 and then Peter Maher from 1981-2014 and now the newest guy from 2014 to present. The Stampeders have had the same radio broadcast pairing for 25 years and the Hitmen have had the same play by play guy for 18. For as much guff as they sometimes get, Brian Hayward has been there as TV colour since day one of the Ducks and John Ahlers has been play by play for 21 years now.

At least the Angels had 40 years in Anaheim, under two different names already, and are a big 4 team. For something like minor-league, I'd imagine you'd want to be as local as you can get.

They're not real teams. The NLL is starting a youth grassroots program in markets that don't currently have teams and creating "teams" for each of the markets to use for said program.

These are all pretty fun so far. I don't like the Kraken being forced into the Shipwrecks logos though, especially because there's absolutely no connection.