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  1. Just a half of my blood take on the Chiefs arrowhead. It bothers my Native half about as much as an average admiral post - which is to say not in the slightest. An arrowhead is part of an arrow which is part of a weapon. Like a whole lot of people, Native Americans used arrows with arrowheads as weapons. The Chiefs arrowhead logo is a long, long way from Wahoo. My Native half doesn't have a problem with it. My white half will get back to you. Wado.
  2. Well, in my experience, there are times when I get a different impression. No offense to anyone, but some of the "white-knighting" on behalf of Indigenous Peoples around here can be every bit as cringe inducing as the "what about the Fighting Irish" nonsense. To be fair, I get that people mean well, but it can get a little silly and over the top. Just my take on the matter.
  3. Actually talking with an Indigenous Person is a good idea for more than a few people on these here boards.
  4. This is where I'm at and maybe it will help put a less political spin on the people who aren't crazy about the name change. If I'm being honest, my heart would have chosen to keep the name Indians. Why? The best reasons I can give you are that I grew up with it. I'm used to it. It's what I know. That being said, in my head, I know changing the name was the right thing to do. I'm pretty sure I'm not a unicorn in that respect. Simply stated, we're going to need a little time to let our emotions catch up to our better angels. That is not going to happen overnight. Sorry if we're not moving as fast as people would like. We'll get there.
  5. FWIW, you are at the top of my list of favorite posters. Hope that helps.
  6. It is possible that people don't like the name change for far less sinister reasons. People are creatures of habit. You make a big change in their routines and they're going to resist simply because they don't like people messing with their routines. Right, wrong, or indifferent, people loved the name Cleveland Indians for reasons that have nothing to do with playing the team politics game. I'm not saying that there aren't people who are clinging to the name for all the wrong reasons, but let's stop acting like every person who is unhappy about it just got home from a Klan meeting. You're assuming that every single Indians fan is as political as you are. Trust me, they aren't.
  7. Instead of using it as the perfect opportunity to make the change, the team went Wahoo crazy when Jacobs Field opened in 1994. Wahoo was everywhere in that park.
  8. People like to claim there are double standards all the time, but here's another secret, direct from a mod. If you asked each of us to write up a list of "favourite posters" to receive "special treatment" all of our lists would look different and we'd argue with each other over who got on each other's lists. Exactly. When it comes to mod votes, I've voted to suspend or ban people I like and I've defended people I have no use for. What I thought of them personally had no bearing on how I voted. The only thing I consider when voting is the severity of the offense. We enforce the rules. Period.
  9. Not that it changes your point, but political correctness has been a thing for a long time. It gets a new name every so often (cancel culture, wokeness, etc.) but this is an old issue itself. Bill Maher used to host "Politically Incorrect" starting in 1993(!) and people still pretend it's a new phenomenon that the way we use language affects other people. I'm an old guy. When I said before political correctness was a thing, that's exactly what I meant. People were protesting the name when I was a kid in the early 70's. I remember posters and pennants that would replace the name Indians with other races or derogatory names and ask "is this OK too?" We're talking when I was 9 or 10 years old. My earliest memory of the term political correctness becoming a thing is from the mid- 80's. But I could be wrong about that. I did drink an awful lot back then.
  10. I'd almost buy their argument if the name change talk had started in the last year or two, but the reality is that the name and Wahoo have been issues longer than political correctness has been a thing.
  11. You "know" this, do you? Care to elaborate? I'd love to learn more about our obvious double standards.
  12. God, I do love it when people who have probably never even been here tell us that our team's 100+ year history is basically worthless. Do go on...
  13. The problem with older trade-ins is they don't have any bluebook value. My Indians jerseys might get me a Guardians t-shirt and a keychain. I'm better off selling the stuff privately and using the cash to make a bigger downpayment for new Guardians gear.
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