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  1. I don't really like it unfortunately, and while I don't think it's a terrible logo, I always looked at the Stars as having one of the coolest identities in the league, which is now lost. That STARS over the italic star I always loved, for some reason to me it was a modern classic. Very simple but it was exactly perfect. What I like about this change is the idea of incorporating silver to match with other Dallas teams, while keeping green to acknowledge their own past. I just think it would be better if it was an expansion team, I'd have no issues with it then. Gold, green and black was beautiful, silver replacing gold makes it seem much emptier and not as complete. I think I'm extra disappointed because it doesn't remind me of stars or the night sky, to me it sorta looks like some kind of western boot spur, and reminiscent of cowboys. I'd love a set reminiscent of the night sky, it's one of the most beautiful things to get inspiration from. And ironically, the Minnesota Wild have a set that reminds me more of it than the Stars do, due to their gorgeous logo. And I do know the Stars did try that with the Mooterus to disastrous results, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't try again. Even a change back to the late 90's jerseys, or even the early 90's jerseys would have been welcome, as both were miles better than this. Lol, anyways, I suppose I'm not into western stuff so it doesn't appeal to me, but I understand others might feel the opposite.
  2. I think the Raptors need something... but purple is desperately needed if they're going to stay with this look. Why would you go from looking unique to doing red and black for goodness sakes. It's like the Wizards being in correct wizarding colours with a colour combo no-one else has to doing red-white-blue which it seems half of professional sports teams use. It's such obvious regression and waters down identities. I think their wizard logo in red-white-blue looks sooo bad, it's awful. Either stay with those colours or change the name. Anyways, for the Raptors they should get rid of the roundel around the claw and go back to just the claw (as a secondary) and bring back purple and start using their main dribbling raptor logo more often, mainly on center court. I think the purple uniforms from the Carter era were perfect, with only red they seem a bit off and in need of something. They are unique unis though, still pretty good, just seem a bit peaky without purple. I was also wondering why when they were naming the expansion team they didn't choose Huskies. I read it was because they thought any logo would look like the Timberwolves, but that seems a flimsy reason. Baseball has three bird teams, and the Orioles, Cards and Jays still have very distinct identities. And actually the other recent Toronto expansion franchise chose the Blue Jays name despite the other two bird teams, so not choosing Huskies only because of one other dog team is iffy. And the blue and white Huskies would tie in with the colours of Toronto's other major sports teams so well. However the name raptors is actually very good, no-one else is using dinosaurs and the raptors is the best team name to choose from. I just think it would be better for a city more known for paleontology, like Calgary or a place in the southwest.
  3. It sucks living in the unincorporated territories. I don't mind it--you can pick your team (as long as you stay with your selection). That said, when I lived in the Salt Lake area, I didn't know many Rockies fans. In fact having lived in two states in unincorporated territories--Idaho and Utah, there were more Braves or Cubs fans because we could get TBS and WGN, so we if we wanted to see baseball, those were the teams we watched. BTW, the posts so far in this thread have been killer for those of us who are too lazy to click on links--this is the only one I've clicked so far, so I'll make it an inline image. I'm curious to know if all of Canada is behind the Blue Jays, especially once the Expos left. No, the Blue Jays most definitely aren't supported by all of Canada. In the Maritimes, there are a lot of Red Sox fans, the Twins are very popular in Manitoba, and BC mainly supports Seattle, and even in Southwestern Ontario, the Tigers have a large fanbase. I think in general they are. Yes there are fans for northern US teams who are close by the border of their area, for example I bet Vancouver has more Mariners fans than Jays fans. But national media like TSN focuses heavily on the Jays when reporting on baseball, then all other teams are an afterthought. Unless something big happened the day before like someone pitched a no-hitter, any Jays news leads the baseball coverage. And I bet this gets people behind them. Plus Canadians seem to love when anything from their country makes it big time in the US, so I think nationalistic tendencies trumps regionally-closer teams, but again this is in general. I imagine each province besides Ontario is half Jays fans half a mix of other teams.
  4. I like this idea too, though it can be limiting. Maybe the best option in terms of grouping together a city's teams in some form would be to have the same colour scheme. Pittsburgh has this, I'm not sure if it's intentional or not, but the Penguins, Pirates, and Steelers are all mainly yellow and black. And they have room for some differentiation as the Penguins sneak a bit of blue in there sometimes, the Pirates incorporate some red, and the Steelers have the red and blue in their logo. Toronto is pretty much the blue city, and I wouldn't mind if TFC and the Raptors changed their scheme from red to blue to fit in. Even further the Raptors should change their name to the Huskies when adopting blue. I actually like the name of the Raptors, but it doesn't fit Toronto at all, maybe if Calgary ever got a team they can use a dino name.
  5. You sound like an owner yourself, not a fan. Of course a fanbase does not own a brand name, but they can vote with their dollars. If they are not emotionally invested in a product why would they provide support? Which is why owners would change names in the first place. There's more money to be taken out of Charlotte sports fans pockets with a team named the Hornets than with the Bobcats. And if the Bobcats were more successful the fans would have become more loyal to the name, but the name still sucks. And as things played out, they were one of the worst teams ever, which is probably exacerbating the need to go back to the Hornets, root of the disagreement aside. Every situation is different, and with Charlotte everything is making sense for a change: 1) Hornets name no longer in use by someone else 2) Bobcats is a horrible name 3) Bobcats has no current staying power due to consistently bad teams. With the three examples you gave to support your argument in the Ravens, Texans, and Wild, two of them do not even have the option to use their old name, and I guarantee they would have if the Indianapolis Colts and Dallas Stars weren't using them.
  6. Fans don't care about money-making organizations, executives, and millionaire athletes anymore, for what reason have they been given to be loyal in that regard? They only really care about the logo and colours of their team and how those represent their locality on a national stage, and give Charlotte back their name and jerseys and it's the same as if the old franchise was actually returned in full. I'm a fan of the Blue Jays still, despite the fact that in one year half their roster is different players. And they wouldn't become some phony version of the Jays if the ownership or general manager changed. Essentially if a team takes hold in their community, their identity belongs to that community. You saw that with the Jets; Winnipeg was not interested in getting just any name, it had to be the Jets. As long as they have an NHL team named the Jets it doesn't matter the old franchise is now in Phoenix and they took over an expansion franchise from Atlanta, it's technical jumbo to passionate fans. And I don't know why New Orleans was allowed to take the Hornets name in the first place. Wouldn't they want a new identity to fit with their city? And if there was a chance of Charlotte getting another team why wouldn't they retain the name like Seattle did with the Sonics? I hope all the big leagues learn from this, as the result is a waste of 10 years for New Orleans to have established a tradition and identity as they now start from scratch, and Charlotte wasting 8 years they could have been building on top of the prior Hornets history, on one of the most uninspired expansion sets ever to boot.
  7. Interesting news clip about the possible identities for CFL's new Ottawa franchise: http://www.cbc.ca/sp...d-proposed.html
  8. I think Pet Shop Boys have maintained the best aesthetic of album covers throughout their career.
  9. And that's precisely why the Mariners should drop the custom font from their alts and wear the same beautiful block found on all their other jerseys. Nope, it's precisely why they should sign a player named Cockburn. At 6:55 in is a funny Cockburn sketch:
  10. Yeah you're completely right, I forgot about that! When I think of the Warriors I still think of that blue Warrior guy. WTH does a bridge have to do with Warriors? The Warriors and Cavaliers have totally awful identity packages to go with awesome names.
  11. Interesting, thanks guys! Just my perspective I guess, I don't think mixing transportation into a sports identity works, the same way a team shouldn't base itself around say a restaurant, even if the restaurant is steeped in the city's history. These types of things are, what's the best word, mundane? Its bit too ordinary for a team named the Nets dressed up as subway maps to exist in a league that contains Warriors, Raptors, and Cavaliers.
  12. The Nets concept is definitely nice, very well done. But what does a subway have to do with Nets? And why would any sports team want to be associated with a dirty subway? In my mind subways are just a way to get from point A to point B, nothing to do with local pride. Even further, subway maps and fonts are primarily utilitarian, designed for easy understanding, and shouldn't be the basis of a sports team with entertainment being the goal. Some people will be getting off the subway to see the basketball game only to be confronted with the same imagery? They were forced to take the subway to see the basketball game, not the other way around.
  13. The only reason it doesn't look good is because they still have the number on the front every time they attempt to stick the logo in, making it look busy. Why is the number on front so sacrosanct in basketball? They do without front numbers just fine in hockey, and the announcers can still tell the differences between the players. In fact it would be even easier to tell the difference between players in basketball as they don't have all that heavy equipment on. And if one number just on the back isn't enough they could easily stick them on the shorts too. Logos instead of numbers and a wordmark on basketball jersey fronts would look much better and more interesting.
  14. So is it just me or does the bottom of the head pointing straight down not bother anyone? Do you think making it go to the right ala the original improves it (despite the shoddy paint job)? IMO its much more balanced and flows better.
  15. The thing that bugs me about the logo is the blue swipe at the bottom. On the old logo it curved well right and it gave it a balanced look, but the new one is pointy and goes almost straight south, actually a tinge left. IMO it ruins the logo and gives the picture on the caps and front of the uni a strange 'scooped' look. Could someone do a quick and dirty concept making the dark blue triangle at the bottom curve right ala the original logo? Going right, which makes sense because the bird is facing left: Going down and left: Unis are perfect though, I can't remember last time I was so excited about an unveiling.
  16. I like it while staring at it, but every time I glance at it, something seems off. I think its the pointed bottom. If the blue jay faces left, the point should be directed to the right, like the old logo. But its slightly to the left, and it makes it rather awkward and askew, looks like its ready to topple over.
  17. Hey, an article just came out in the Toronto Star and the writer seems confident the unis are going to be changed for next season. And for the designers you can email the paper your own designs they'll publish: Jays making a uniform change "It?s expected the Blue Jays uniforms will have a new look for the 2012 season, one that will reflect a Canadian theme more than ever. The team is playing coy as even a mention of a uniform change is hush-hush within the organization. But the change has been in the design phase for months and should be ready for unveiling by the beginning of next season. Jays players, who wore red caps during the Canada Day weekend series in Toronto, could have a more pronounced maple leaf and red and white colours on the uniform to capture characteristics of the Canadian flag. The Jays have been wearing a bright red maple leaf on the right sleeve of their uniforms since the 2009 season. With Canadian Brett Lawrie making his home debut Tuesday at the Rogers Centre, the Jays are also anxious to boost emphasis on their national marketing plan in Canada. That plan blossomed during the World Series years in 1992-93, and saw the Jays play exhibition games in Western Canada. The club this year opened a minor league team in Vancouver and visits seven Canadian cities with a baseball training program featuring former greats like Robbie Alomar and Duane Ward. Now, Lawrie may help spearhead the latest initiative to boost sales with a new design. ?Part of it is . . . we?ve put a team in Vancouver and we?re also trying to get as much TV exposure in Canada as we can,? Jays president Paul Beeston said. ?But still, we have to perform on the field, that?s our best marketing tool.? Design a new uniform More red? A darker blue? Get rid of the black? Retro, futuristic or classic grey and white? Pinstripes or solids? Buttons all the way down or V-neck? A return to the classic logo or a new one altogether? You can decide this and every other detail because we want you to take a crack at drawing a new Blue Jay uniform. Use the blank canvas on Jose Bautista (shown) or email us jpegs of your own illustrations of a new cap and uniform for the team. Send your finished work to fanpix@thestar.ca or see the star.com/sports to enter online. Download a pdf here and create your own design, then send us your creation at fanpix@thestar.ca and we'll post selections."
  18. I think they have a chance, there was some recent news about Bettman telling Balsillie that if he waited a bit he'd get another chance at a team if he was more low-key about it. And Balsillie would probably go back to Hamilton. Of course, if his BlackBerry does not recover from its recent struggles competing with iPhones and Androids, he won't have the money to be buying hockey teams. Oh it is a dump, but with renovations I think it would come to less of a cost than building an entirely new rink. And that's what I think, they deserve a kick at the can, QC and Winnipeg recently had teams and Hamilton is on equal footing to them in every capacity. It just seems fair. I lived there for a while and its disheartening to put up with rumours and continually have your hopes dashed. Its worse than losing a team.
  19. Hamilton deserves a team before either of these cities. Its the only city in the GTA to maintain a strong identity apart from Toronto, and the population within driving distance dwarfs Quebec City and Halifax. Quebec City lost its team? So did Hamilton, and they've had to wait MUCH longer to get one back. They've been enduring heartbreak repeatedly by coming close on numerous occasions to landing a team since the 1980's, I think they even deserved a team more than Winnipeg did. Winnipeg should have had to wait 80 years too before complaining about what's unfair. And is it Hamilton's fault they're in close proximity to Toronto and Buffalo? And is Buffalo even worth saving if they're living off Southern Ontario fans who would switch allegiances if Hamilton were granted a team? Hamilton has an arena unlike QC and Halifax, but the talk is always about Winnipeg and QC. Balsillie was right, Hamilton should have been #7
  20. Hard to pick the Wild, as a Habs fan, but it is a stunning logo. I think the Raptors have an underrated logo, its so 90's and cartoony yet it works so well. I chose the Rockies because baseball really has no good logos to choose from. TFC easily has the best logo in the MLS. Same for the Ticats and the CFL. And another Hamilton logo, who for being a minor league city with aspirations to be bigger, has 2 of the best logos in sports.
  21. I didn't know much about iTunes, but I vaguely thought their old 'logo' wasn't a logo but a generic image you might get if you put a blank cd in your computer. I didn't realize it was actually the iTunes logo, I thought the script functioned as one, so the new one passes for actually looking like a logo.
  22. I really like the colours on this one: Also has an excellent font, a nice tilted square, and it certainly fulfills its objective making me want sausage.
  23. I'm still amazed the Ducks got rid of their classic logo for an unreadable and boring wordmark. Now they simplify the wordmark, make it an uninspired webbed 'D', and we're supposed to be satisfied? That duck hockey mask logo is amazing. If you can't get over the Disney connotations that's not the logo's problem, it stands on its own. If they were worried about a Disney logo on a purple and teal jersey perhaps portraying them as a team not to be feared... perhaps change the name from 'Ducks' as well. All they had to do was change the colours to black orange and grey, remove the 'mighty' and you're good to go. Has anyone made a concept yet of their recoloured classic logo on the current uniforms? It would be miles better than a simple D, which is a secondary logo if I ever saw one.
  24. Excellent logo. I would love to see the two-tone blue buffalo with a red streak on a white helmet, though. And the face is a bit garbled and the hump on the back should be smoothed as it doesn't work well at a quick glance. But that's just nitpicking, absolutely gorgeous.