hockey week

They clearly got over it by the 2:27 mark, but I've often said that gold and orange don't clash enough. On TVs of the 70s, I can imagine them wanting the Kings to wear darks against the orange Flyers, but i've never seen them do it either.

I want to know what Mercyhurst University (NCAA DI Men's and Women's Ice Hockey) needs to do to get on here

I like the Steelers' alternate jerseys. I love them. If the usual home and road weren't so great, I'd suggest they use the barber pole full time.

That always was a fashion jersey like the gold 49ers, yellow Packers, silver Raiders, and navy Dolphins that were all out at various times in the 1990s and 2000s. On ESPN NFL 2K5 it was listed as their alternate jersey. If I'm not mistaken, 2k5 had a few of these jerseys for teams as alternates, but were never more than fashion jerseys, like this cardinals one. I seem to remember that they had a bizarre yellow alternate for the Vikings... Yup exactly, I almost used that very example, but started to doubt myself that it actually happened. As well as a Redskins Yellow/ gold one as well Someone ought to catalog these unique fashion jerseys. Starter made a whole bunch of hockey ones, too. Far too often these are mistaken for actually being worn, having a single place to refer to would be quite handy.

Dallas seems to have all sorts of half-baked ideas that get shut down right before they make the ice This was from somewhere around 2002. A version used to be on nhluniforms.com, but I think most of the never-worns are gone. this one got all the way to the retail stage. Had a chance to buy one a few years ago for around $200, I wish I would have jumped on it. This font was also played with in 1993 Interesting, but I'm glad it never made it. Goes all the way back to the North Stars days, they dropped this after their unlikely cup run in 1981 Cleveland Barons There's one of these in the Hockey Hall of Fame, they were all made and ready to go, and then the team folded. I actually contacted the St. Louis Blues when I was out there this past June, went into their offices and asked about the never worn 1996 third jersey. The secretary had no idea, said the only jersey hung up in the office was the one in the main entry, an authentic blue home jersey in a frame. I emailed their PR guy and told them about the claim that there was one of those hung up in the office as a symbol to never let something like that happen again. He said it was a great story, but assured me it wasn't there. In fact, nobody in the organization talks about those, and he's looked around. They're probably in some dark storage compartment locked away like the Ark of the Covenant. (my words, not his)

I never realized it before, but that would be the perfect jersey style if St. Louis had a basketball team. Especially when combined with the shorts, tell me that doesn't look like the Gateway Arch. Has anybody ever done a concept of this? I mean, I can't be the only one who has realized this, right?

I like truncated shoulder stripes on football jerseys. I think they should be considered a completely different design element than full sleeve stripes, and not necessarily a lesser one. Nothing wrong with that. I always thought the stripes were meant to stop.

I hate white goalie skates as much as I hate white player skates. It seems that I'm in the vast minority there, it's hard to even find black goalie skates.

hahaha well, yeah...there is that part too lol

I think this is a great logo It shows you the nickname, an islander, and is still the only representation of what an islander is: a badass fisherman It doesn't represent the city well, but that happens with a lot of good logos. It represents the sport, with a hockey stick and net It looks cool. Put that on a normal-looking jersey for an Islanders minor league affiliate, and it would be a huge hit. Now it's far too tainted by those wave jerseys and the backlash

I like the mismatched-ness of the Wild's jerseys. The white one is true to their origins, looking just like something out of the year 2000 is expected. The red, though I wish they'd go back to the pre-Edge version, looks like a classic NHL sweater evocative of their rich NHL history (it doesn't, and can't, look like the North Stars, but it looks like it could be from that era), and the third reflects their rich hockey history, which goes back to the turn of the 20th century, and splits the difference between the extremely striped rugby-like sweaters and the extremely plain sweaters that were both common. Plus, all of them look great individually. It's unique to the Wild, and I'm perfectly ok with it.

I know that I've been on both sides of this argument so far, but I tracked down fake jersey icethetics posted, and if they didn't want $999 for it (obviously to keep people from buying before the real jerseys are released), I'd probably get one, just to have that piece of history that never should have existed (maybe a few steps below the gold stars jerseys or the huskies nordiques jerseys, i know it's fake, but it's still a nice conversation piece) does that still count as wrong?

Hey I have one of those! Cool! Not only is it NOT an act of justifiable defiance, it doesn't even BELONG in the same discussion as the founding of the United States. On one hand you have a group of people who believed their states were being taxed unfairly and so they decided to form a new nation based on the principals of the Enlightenment. On the other hand we have a group of people who making (often) shoddy replicas of sports jerseys to sell at prices below what the official ones sell for. They're profiting off of the copyrights of these leagues and teams and off of the ignorance of the consumer. To even suggest that someone making/selling illegal counterfeits is acting in the same spirit as the American founding fathers is downright insulting to the founding fathers' legacy. Counterfeiting in no way supports a "greater good." They're crooks making illegal copies off of other people's legal copyrights and selling them to consumers who, to be honest, are unaware that they may be buying a fake. These are not selfless icons of morality standing up to the big bad sports leagues and the manufacturers. They're scumbags who profit off of other people's intellectual property and the ignorance of the consumer. We're not talking about the Nuremberg Laws or Jim Crow Laws here pal. The law in this case is a league/team's right to own the exclusive rights over its own intellectual property. Is that law wrong? If not, then there's no debate here. The counterfeiters are both morally and legally in the wrong. This is the cheapest, by far, argument ever thrown around in this debate. Perhaps you missed this life lesson growing up, but two wrongs do not make a right. Someone else's violation of the law does not give you a free pass to break another law. That seems pretty straight forward, but I guess it would slip by someone who has the nerve to compare counterfeiters of NFL jerseys to America's founding fathers. Furthermore distinctions need to be made, and your "everyone violates the law" argument is so paper thin and broad that it really doesn't hold up in this argument when those distinctions are made. For the record, yes I have gotten a few tickets, for a few different traffic offences. You know what I did? I paid them. I broke the law, I was punished accordingly, and I paid my punishment. As in I got caught breaking the law and I paid the proper consequences. What consequences have you (a general you to anyone who's bought, sold, or manufactured a counterfeit jersey) paid for your breaking of the law? Quoted for truth. The monopoly on rights is exactly why the prices are so high. When true competition is allowed prices go down and quality goes up. A monopoly means that the major sports leagues can put as high of a price as they want on the jerseys so long as people still buy them. They take such issue with 'counterfeits' because they really put a stitch in the side of their monopoly. Sure they can say, make similar products with the same colors, people will buy them, but the fact of the matter is authentic jerseys are what the consumer wants. Nobody wants a k-mart shiny t-shirt in place of an authentic jersey. They do not hold a monopoly on team apparel, they hold a monopoly on authentic jerseys, and they're making a killing. I'm going to have to disagree. You're argument is essentially "the *insert league here* has a monopoly over the production and sale of goods that use the *insert league here*'s various intellectual properties." Of course they do. That's just not them. That applies to everyone. Everyone has a "monopoly" over their own intellectual property. That's how copyrights work. In an argument where people are claiming moral high grounds all over the place, looking down on the people that would dare buy one of these counterfeits, I'm merely trying to give some fodder to the losing side so this argument can be less about moral fiber and more about the issue itself. it's always been a great tool in propaganda (called Appeal to Emotional Terms) to link one's argument to things people feel strongly about only in one way. To do so, I was hoping to hear less of people looking down their nose at the argument, and actually getting in the muck of it and debating, as you note, I've said numerous times that I don't own any, I own a ton of the real thing, and while I don't know where exactly I stand on the issue, it isn't pro-counterfeit (more anti-reebok, if anything). Honestly though, if you talked to an average Joe on the street, one who isn't a designer and doesn't dabble in sports logos, I'd bet money that they'd find the amount of damage done by speeding (in the forms of accidents, tickets, you name it) is far more egregious than theft of intellectual property. So no, it's not "two wrong make a right", it's "let's put it in perspective". But excellent points, and I'm glad somebody is standing up to my arguments

as someone with a history degree, LogoDude and LightsOut both have points that are valid, and very easy to argue without a solid answer. End of argument, please. my point in bringing up the founding fathers argument, is that breaking the law can be seen as a noble thing if the law-breaker firmly believes that they are supporting a greater good. The founding fathers committed treason in order to create this country. Is refusing to pay the markup for Reebok and whatever sports league and so purchasing an illegal counterfeit jersey an act of justifiable defiance? I'm not saying that it is, but I am certain that some, perhaps many, will. I brought that up because of the large amount of people citing illegalities as the primary reason not to buy one, and they had little resistance to that argument. Sometimes, laws are wrong, or at least shouldn't exist. For anyone who wants to take up that idea and run with it, be my guest. Also, for the sake of argument, to anybody (and I'm not citing anybody, I haven't even reread the thread to see if anybody acted this way) who sees themselves as a moral role model, following the letter of the law and refusing to break it, have you ever gone over a speed limit? run a yellow light and had it turn red in the intersection? Got a ticket? They're all laws on the books, and not very obscure ones. People who live in glass houses should never throw stones. This is good argument and discussion. Let's keep it up

I have a Penguins jersey from the Mellon Arena official team store whose crest is bubbling. Idk if that's from so much use and washing, or if there's something wrong with it. But, bubbling should not be your only indicator. I'm really surprised that nobody's played devil's advocate here and said something to the effect of "the American founding fathers were committing illegal acts when they declared independence." Could there be a positive aspect, one of protest perhaps, to the illegality angle? again, this is coming from an avid jersey collector who spots fakes all the time, and to my knowledge, has no fakes. I'm just trying to see all sides, and so far, nobody has challenged those who have been touting the illegality argument

Yeah. It couldn't just be that jerseys are comfortable and make for good "lounging around" wear. Now asking people about how to take a piss while wearing a certain style of underwear or dispensing advice on "man rules?" That's the stuff "grown ass men" do. (for those that don't know, I'm referencing some of the "man type" stuff BBTV has brought up in the past) Never in my entire life have I thought I'm "actually on the team" while wearing a jersey. Nor is wearing a jersey "fulfilling some childhood fantasy." They're big and comfortable and I like how they look. Sue me. Amen! I almost always wear jerseys, and because of that, I'm known all over campus as "the jersey guy", and that's a great calling card.

http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/emptynetters/archive/2008/12/16/jersey-fouls-a-working-guide-12-16-08.aspx This seems to be the best address of wearing jerseys I've ever seen. Really covers everything, the 10 Commandments of Jerseys, if you will

I never thought that counterfeit jerseys were much of a problem until when I recently went to a Steelers game and saw so many fakes...and not even that many good ones. Apparently this trend is not limited to my experience either, as evidenced by previous comments. In hockey, I haven't seen fakes at Penguins games until recently, post-reebok switch when price structures changed and the difference between replicas and authentics became noticeable. In my opinion, and I'll admit I have an anti-corporate bias, it would seem that the jersey companies need to lower their prices or risk becoming quaint "higher quality" versions of the fakes that only the wealthy and snobbish buy. The market is speaking, and they don't seem to care to listen. Very interesting.

I think a lot of it was because they won back-to-back cups and then changed the logo and jerseys. I still blame that for losing in the second round following the greatest season in franchise history. this is unsubstantiated, but I've heard from a few people that the horizontal stripes in the black section of the logo were put there because the Mellon corporation (which bought the naming rights to the Civic Arena) paid them to be there as subtle advertising, as it looks similar to their logo. Again, unsubstantiated, but it would explain what those white stripes are. more info on the change here http://pittsburghhockey.net/PensPages/LogoHistory/LogoHistory.html

Ugh. I hope you think Ottawa looks its best now too, because they wear the same pattern of uniform. Plus the gold being more of a khaki and adhering to no tenets of a traditional hockey sweater...it's really reebokeriffic. Unfortunately, with all the bandwagoners who haven't seen any different, your opinion isn't all that unpopular, and I hate that. Sorry

I hate the Kings' purple and gold. It's gaudy beyond belief, and I just don't like seeing purple anywhere in sports. The only one of that era that was even close to respectable, was this one. The rest are just hard to look at. How's that for an unpopular opinion?

I actually like the Islanders' fisherman logo. If it were for a minor league team, it would have been perfect. It says what the nickname is (what exactly is an islander? that guy), what sport (he has a hockey stick, and is in front of a net), it says the location (fisherman wearing a noreaster rain jacket? it's east coast and long island enough), and it looks cool (Gorton's notwithstanding, the guy looks fierce). And the Nords logo did suck, there's nothing special about it. and while the logo looks interesting, I never felt the Mooterus fit the stars, but the jersey it's on is pretty great. And at the risk of starting argument, the Canucks V jerseys are insane. Wearing one, having that bright yellow and orange V on your chest actually messes with your eyes. I made a friend wear it after losing a bet, and he was so embarrassed to be in public with it. Try one on, and I think you might agree with me

The only thing left of that seems to be this, I forget where i found this logo, but it's hideous. Definitely a good decision not to use it

There was an article some 5 years ago in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that said the Steelers were going to adopt a gold alternate jersey for games against southern teams that wear white at home. I've looked for this jersey and never found anything about it, though there was something that might have been related to it on ebay some time ago. I guess they'll never happen now that the throwback is here to stay