ddub53

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  1. I don't get such a push for Red Tails. The Red Tails from World War II had nothing to do with the DC area. If it was an NFL team in Montgomery, Alabama or even Birmingham, I could see it do to their location to Tuskegee. Otherwise it just sounds like something forced.
  2. Very interesting. Next thing you know someone will create a website where people discuss all of the teams' laundry.
  3. Also, colleges have been discussing about possibly playing football in January or February if needed. If that's the case, then the XFL would be in a tough position in 2021 as well.
  4. I felt like the XFL had potential of heading in the right direction. Two changes I would make would've been to move the Los Angeles team to San Diego and somehow get San Antonio involved.
  5. I'm wondering if it is as simple as Vince McMahon needs the money he set aside for the XFL to keep WWE solvent during this pandemic.
  6. Here's my take on the helmet design.
  7. There's no such thing as sports branding evolution for European soccer. The way soccer teams in Europe have been named has not changed since the 19th century. On the other hand, professional sports teams in the United States have been using nicknames since its early days. Soccer/football in the United States has an identity crisis. These clubs want to use the name football but are playing in leagues with the name "soccer." You are either a soccer team or a football team and in the U.S. the sport is referred to as soccer and has been since the early 1900's.
  8. The night aerial shot is not St. Louis. If you look closely there are palm trees visible. That would represent Tampa most likely.
  9. The league will be referred to as "The Alliance" and not any acronyms.
  10. These days at the FBS level, there isn't much since so much money goes into branding schools and the suppliers (Nike, UA, Addidas) provide free uniforms. But before all this craziness, uniforms would typically occur with new coaches..
  11. LOL! The simplest theory is most often the correct one. I think that's a simpler way of saying what I said.. A triple stripe design is nothing new and nothing exclusive to Adidas.. The fact that they embrace it and have worked it into various designs is irrelevant.. I never considered the patriots socks to be Adidas-inspired.. I just saw a pair of socks with a monochrome striping pattern.. Adidas may have designed it, but the patriots like it and kept it when Nike took over.. Simple as thatI would says it's a bit different from using three stripes on a piece of clothing and Nike incorporating those three stripes into its logo. Then there could be a problem. It comes down to the context of use.
  12. It must be a vinyl wrap that they put on every helmet just like they do for commercial car graphics.
  13. I like where they began with the logo but a couple issues for me. First, the chin is way too pointed and needs to be rounded. Second, there are no chubby cheeks which is also a defining characteristic of a Billiken. If the face was not as smooshed, it would probably be fine. Here's my take tweaking the logo.
  14. I would disagree St. Louis doesn't support pro football. There was plenty of support until around 2007-2008. When you go a decade without a winning record, nobody should expect to have fans crazy about your team unless you are the only game in town. The Rams, however, will always be third behind the Cardinals and Blues. Support always drops off during long periods of mediocrity. even in St. Louis, the baseball Cardinals didn't have great attendance from 1990-1995. But the combination of the team's success and the McGwire era since 1996 that has dramatically boosted annual average attendance. The bottom line is, if the Rams get turned around, more fans will want to go. You just can't continuously support financially organizations that don't strive to create championship teams.
  15. So I came across a photo of the St. Louis Stallions photo that I had never seen before. It was an official NFL Photo that was sent to the AP. The stripe in the center is essentially a reserve Broncos style that narrows and it goes back. It also appears that that center gold stripe tapers as more white appears in the center as the gold goes back. Has anyone else seen this Stallions strip pattern before?
  16. Since it's Blackout I bet it'll be black jersey and either black or anthracite pants. But since Arky is going all red, Mizzou will probably wear all black with the primary helmet.
  17. Does anyone know who was responsible for designing the third jersey that the Tampa Bay Lightning wore beginning in 1996?
  18. I never understood what the green leaf behind the bird is supposed to represent. The 'birds and the bees' innuendo's funny in a minor league way, but what's up with the leaf? It's a fig leaf which was the team's original logo.
  19. If the NYCFC gear is indeed selling like you say, it's because it's a new franchise. But if you had NYCFC shirts next to New York Cosmos shirts and the one that sold the most would dictate the name of the team, I'm pretty confident Cosmos would win out. It's all comparative. As for Brooklyn, that's an outlier and not the norm. For some reason buying something with Brooklyn on it is hip. Buying something with Manhattan, Queens or Staten Island not so much apparently.
  20. You don't say? Using "FC" does not preclude a nickname. It just lets the fans create one organically rather than imposing one from the start. St. Louis National Baseball Club was the legal name during the Anheuser-Busch ownership. The current legal name for the club is St. Louis Cardinals, LLC. Legal names are a whole different ballgame. Nobody refers to teams by their legal name, although nowadays more teams are using their nicknames in the legal names. You missed the point entirely. I'll give it one more shot.Having an "official" name of City Name FC does not mean a nickname can't grow organically from the supporters. In fact quite a number of the original clubs in most North American sports leagues had their nicknames grow organically. The current legal name for the Cards may very well be St. Louis Cardinals, but that wasn't their original name. For all we know, 20 years from now, St. Louis FC may be known as something else. That's how these things work. That's not at all how things work. Name me one professional sports team, outside of MLS, that did not have a nickname before they played their first game in modern time. Typically you choose a nickname and then create a logo, not the other way around.Depends on what you consider modern, over the course of the last 100 years that is how the majority of teams got their names. Even i. Present days you have fan votes for a name which is similar to this naming system in which the supporter create a name, but instead it's done before the team plays a game rather than creating a name after organically.What in the world do you mean by creating a name organically. When was the last time a major American sports team received an official name organically...the 1930s. There are essentially two ways teams are given nicknames. Either the owner(s) coins the nickname himself (i.e. St. Louis Blues) or there is a name the team contest. I consider the modern era essentially starting in 1920, but it's not an exact science. It's post World War I, the NHL is just a few years old and the forerunner to the NFL gets started. Also, as has been proven in Minor League Baseball, a great nickname can be the difference between selling a lot of merchandise and not. Granted it's the USL, but how many kids in St. Louis are going to want a Saint Louis FC t-shirt as opposed to a team with mascot in their logo.
  21. You don't say? Using "FC" does not preclude a nickname. It just lets the fans create one organically rather than imposing one from the start. St. Louis National Baseball Club was the legal name during the Anheuser-Busch ownership. The current legal name for the club is St. Louis Cardinals, LLC. Legal names are a whole different ballgame. Nobody refers to teams by their legal name, although nowadays more teams are using their nicknames in the legal names. You missed the point entirely. I'll give it one more shot. Having an "official" name of City Name FC does not mean a nickname can't grow organically from the supporters. In fact quite a number of the original clubs in most North American sports leagues had their nicknames grow organically. The current legal name for the Cards may very well be St. Louis Cardinals, but that wasn't their original name. For all we know, 20 years from now, St. Louis FC may be known as something else. That's how these things work. That's not at all how things work. Name me one professional sports team, outside of MLS, that did not have a nickname before they played their first game in modern time. Typically you choose a nickname and then create a logo, not the other way around.
  22. You don't say? Using "FC" does not preclude a nickname. It just lets the fans create one organically rather than imposing one from the start. St. Louis National Baseball Club was the legal name during the Anheuser-Busch ownership. The current legal name for the club is St. Louis Cardinals, LLC. Legal names are a whole different ballgame. Nobody refers to teams by their legal name, although nowadays more teams are using their nicknames in the legal names.
  23. The problem with the bottom logo is that the date should refer to the first year of the club not the city's founding. I also had the concept of American tems taking a European approach bu name a club CITY NAME FC...it's called soccer in the United States not football. Actually, the sport is nicknamed soccer in North America and Oceania. The sport's true name is "association football." My first club I played for was named AFC..Association Football Club. That was in 1981, and no one complained about it. Oh, I know why it's called soccer in the United States. But it IS called soccer, not football, and all of the leagues have the name soccer (i.e. USL, MLS) so all of the team should use the same for consistency. For some reason some people think using the European terms are hip and cool.
  24. The problem with the bottom logo is that the date should refer to the first year of the club not the city's founding. I also had the concept of American tems taking a European approach bu name a club CITY NAME FC...it's called soccer in the United States not football. ST. LOUIS S.C. Is a protected name. It is the old club that merged with Scott-Gallagher to become Scott-Gallagher St Louis. Isn't Scott Gallagher the owners of the SLFC? It sure appears so. In any event, they need an actual nickname. Using FC or SC seems so lazy. It would be like calling the Cardinals, St. Louis BC. There are so many creative nicknames the could be used. Plus there have been many interesting nicknames and logos for STL indoor and outdoor teams such as Stars, Steamers, Storm and Ambush.