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TheOldRoman

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  1. No, you are stealing by knowingly purchasing stolen merchandise. And counterfeit jerseys are stolen in that they steal the identity from the teams and manufacturers. It is like buying a bootleg copy of Photoshop for $20 (albeit one which doesn't have all the features and crashes your system periodically). I mean, you wouldn't spend $1,000 to buy the software legitimately, so it isn't like Adobe is losing money, right? The NFL has money taken away from it because it has the right to X amount of dollars for every person wearing an NFL jersey. If you don't want to give them that money, don't wear the jersey.
  2. But who cares! You're a fan of a team, which means you're entitled to a jersey, right? If I am paying for the item, then yes. Except that you AREN'T paying for it. You decided jerseys were too expensive, so you purchase poorly-reproduced knock-offs instead.
  3. A lot of people get away with murder too. I love how people equate murder and larceny with buying some jerseys from China Almost as crazy as equating stealing with jaywalking, huh? Buying jerseys from China is hardly stealing. I would never buy a jersey from the league at the price they charge for that crap but for $25 or so I will. It absolutely is stealing. You are stealing from the team, the league and Reebok/Majestic. They have the right to decide who gets to use/wear their likeness. The critea is simple, anyone who agrees to pay what they charge. If you don't agree to pay that, you have no right to wear it. Get it through your thick skull. Wearing a counterfeit jersey is stealing because it takes from the team, league and manufacturer what they would normally get from selling any jersey, whether or not you would purchase a jersey otherwise. You are paying the Chinese mafia for stealing likenesses from sports teams. Now, if you are going to come out with a simpleton argument like, "They are all rich and don't deserve money, so it's okay to screw them," (and some morons argue that anytime 'zomg! rich=evil' comes up), at least that would present an argument as to WHY you feel the way you do, albeit an immoral and irrational argument.
  4. because most people care more about their own wallet. Let's see, I can buy a licensed jersey for $250 or a knock-off for $50? So long as the quality is there (and nowadays, the knock-offs are pretty much just as good) I'll take the knock-off and use the extra $200 for something else. I can buy a PS3 for $300 or spend $0 while stealing one from Best Buy. So long as the quality is there (and it would be, since it's a real PS3), I'll stick to theiving and use the extra $300 for something else. Either way, we are taking something which we have no right to because we don't want to spend the money which the applicable business sets for legally owning their goods.
  5. And this is based on? Republicans are generally for less regulation. Less regulation makes it easier to buy and sell counterfeits. I think that's what he was trying to say, although it's a pretty huge generalization, and obviously isn't completely true. But there is a bit of logic to what he was saying. alright im sorry for the post but they dont care about the american companies as long as it saves them a buck Even by internet banter standards, your reasoning is incredibly dumb. Good job.
  6. Right, but if the Feds were to go after him they would go through the service provider to pinpoint his exact location, no matter what size the city was.
  7. The argument begins with the anti fake jersey crowd saying that those of us who buy the fakes are costing the leagues money they deserve, when we refuse to acknowledge that as a valid point they move right onto the alleged child labor violations. If someone showed me a sweatshop in China where children are being abused and forced to make my jerseys I would immediately stop buying them. I will skip the other nonsense you posted and get to this. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge that as a valid point is insane. Businesses have no rights to stop people from illegally copying their liknesses and profiting off of them? That is mind-blowingly stupid. You just keep beating your chest and proudly displaying how much of an imbecile you are. And you are right about the working conditions. You just know the Chinese mafia makes sure its child workers are healthy and well-nourished.
  8. Even as more of a traditionalist than not, I have to say that I agree with you. I love the 90's NBA for more nostalgic reasons than anything (and granted, there were some uniforms I didn't like from that era, like the Mutombo-era Hawks, for example), but there's no doubt that not only uniqueness heaviliy existed, but perhaps (and I hope this makes sense) deep consideration of what the location and/or team name had to offer. For example, I posted what I thought about the Spurs 90's identity and how it really embraced the southwestern culture of San Antonio a few posts back. The Jazz identity of the late 90's was a profound example, as the colors had deep meaning (copper, for example, represented the mining industry, and other colors like sky blue and dark teal(ish) really represented Utah's outdoors well). As I also stated in another thread (can't remember which one), the Nuggets identity of the era was perfect for an old west mining identity - Navy Blue, Dark Red, and Gold. Definetely a mining or "panner" type scheme, if you ask me. Then there was Vancouver and thier great tribal elements, of course (not to mention a pretty nice color scheme, too). Anyways, I don't mean to drag on too much, but you're absolutely right, Buc. If I had my way, alot of the colors and elements of those identities (modernized and cleaned up for some, of course) would be brought back and updated today. I agree with you. I am generally more traditional jersey wise, but I love a lot of the '90s uniforms across all sports. First off was the color, which was followed with a decade where marketing types decided teams had to darken their colors, shoehorn black into schemes and remove vital parts of franchise' identities to sell more jerseys. One of the biggest things for me in basketball design was that all that creativity was done within the context of a traditional jersey template. We didn't have sloppy wide shouldered jerseys or ridiculous necklines. All jerseys had elastic cuffs around the neck and shoulders. All necks were either rounded or v-necks. Sure, the Hawks wore some crazy stuff, but it was crazy confined within a traditional template. I feel the same way about football uniforms, too. That is why the '80s/'90s Bengals looks were great but the current look is terrible.
  9. You see, nothing you said here was remotely intelligent. Why are people immature for not supporting the Chinese mafia by purchasing innacurate knockoff jerseys? I think your "Wah wah! I want a jersey! I don't care if it's illegal" attitude is far more immature. And none of the allegations have anything to do with being myopic, rednecks or Archie Bunker (who wasn't even a redneck). I'm trying to see into your miniscule brain here, but are you trying to claim that people who don't like counterfeit jerseys are bigots? You just keep reaching for the insults. Next time save a few words and just call us dirty poo-poo heads. Jerseys are worth what the market determines people are willing to pay for them. If Reebok didn't sell a single $300 jersey, the prices would come down. Just because you refuse to pay the money doesn't mean you are entitled to have one anyway. You can say that no car is worth $200,000, but some people are willing to buy them. That doesn't make them any less intelligent. LOL at you wasting time trying to write a logic argument about something so trivial. Archie was both a racist and simple minded.A No, I am wasting my time arguing with a simpleton, but I will venture further. Archie Bunker was not a redneck. He was racist, but he wasn't a redneck. And you are now calling people racists for disliking counterfeit jerseys? If I thought that you believed that, I would actually feel sorry for you. But no, you were made the fool and now you are throwing out random insults as a last-gasp effort to win an arguement.
  10. You see, nothing you said here was remotely intelligent. Why are people immature for not supporting the Chinese mafia by purchasing innacurate knockoff jerseys? I think your "Wah wah! I want a jersey! I don't care if it's illegal" attitude is far more immature. And none of the allegations have anything to do with being myopic, rednecks or Archie Bunker (who wasn't even a redneck). I'm trying to see into your miniscule brain here, but are you trying to claim that people who don't like counterfeit jerseys are bigots? You just keep reaching for the insults. Next time save a few words and just call us dirty poo-poo heads. Jerseys are worth what the market determines people are willing to pay for them. If Reebok didn't sell a single $300 jersey, the prices would come down. Just because you refuse to pay the money doesn't mean you are entitled to have one anyway. You can say that no car is worth $200,000, but some people are willing to buy them. That doesn't make them any less intelligent.
  11. This is ridiculous. Yes, the jerseys are worth $300 if that what the market decides. If people are willing to pay $300 for them, that is what they are worth. And it absolutely is a black market. Just because some people sell them out in the open, like my dumbass friend who last year wrote on his truck windows "STANLY CUP JERSEY'S $40" [sic], doesn't mean it isn't a black market. People who get caught selling counterfeit merchandise go to jail.
  12. The Cardinals' NL champ ring points out something interesting. I found out last week that in the late '80s into the early '90s, many baseball rings had the team's home attendance on the ring. Seems strange.
  13. Dude, no. 1,000 times no. The materials are barely even close. And while the sweatshops that make real and fake jerseys are probably similar, you can be sure that no fake jerseys are made in the same exact places that produce jerseys for Majestic and Reebok. This is just as silly as the one guy who said "I think the factory just made too many so they sold a few on the side."
  14. I disagree with your entire arguement, but this point in particular is ridiculous. The counterfeit jerseys are of horrendous quality. The materials are cheap, the number fonts are often off, the sizing is bad, and they start falling apart after a handful of uses. They aren't even close to the replicas in terms of quality, unless by quality you exclusively mean "sewn on numbers."
  15. As others have stated, Fox pays a lot more. They pay $90 million a year more than CBS does. Although Fox would probably whine and posture, it wouldn't be about losing the St. Louis market. Replacing that with a middling AFC market would make no difference to their bottom line. What Fox would undoubtedly complain about is that there needs to be an NFC team in LA, also.
  16. I don't get how that is a bad thing. I haven't been to either stadium, but I have heard Bears and White Sox fans speak not-so-glowingly about the ear-popping and stale air you experience when walking into the Metrodome. What is the advantage of an inflatable roof? Presumably cost. It's probably cheaper to put in an inflatable roof than building rigid structural supports-at least on startup. Not sure about lifetime expenses though (electricity/maintenance/fixing the goddamn roof when a foot of snow falls on it and caves it in). In the post I quoted you were saying that a non-inflatable roof was a bad thing, like it made EJD more of a joke. I don't see how having an inflatable roof would make the dome more feasible for future use.
  17. Building the stadium with a 68-78,000 capacity is foolish just as it was in Soldier Field. The Bears could easily sell out 80,000 every week, but instead they have one of the smallest capacities in the NFL with no room to expand. The LA stadium should seat at least 75,000 for regular games.
  18. I don't get how that is a bad thing. I haven't been to either stadium, but I have heard Bears and White Sox fans speak not-so-glowingly about the ear-popping and stale air you experience when walking into the Metrodome. What is the advantage of an inflatable roof?
  19. I haven't seen a single baseball fake which didn't look blantantly ridiculous to the point nearly anyone could tell it was fake. Maybe they have improved in the last year, but all the MLB fakes I have seen were awful. They are nearly belly shirts, they came down about 2 inches below the waist, the sleeves went down to the elbows and the logos were bubbly like the ones on Stater jackets.
  20. My tip off on the Twins' jersey was that the jocktag is way too high, as is the case on most of the baseball fakes.
  21. The NFL can go blow. I tried to contact them to alert them of counterfeiting before and they didn't want to hear it. There is a facebook group which sells these awful fakes. I looked online for a number to call, and all I could find was the main office number. When I told the lady I wanted to report the counterfeiters, she was extremely rude and said I need to tell her who I want to speak with. She couldn't connect me with anyone unless I gave her a name. That doesn't sound like a good business practice.
  22. Very true. My brother in law argued with me when I told him the $25 authentic Blackhawks jersey be was buying was fake. He instisted that he knew the guy who was selling it and this guy wouldn't deceive him. I was looking forward to laughing at him when he got the jersey. The jersey was the discontinued black alternate with an extremely sloppy Stanley Cup Final patch on it, the all the stitching looked horrible, the Reebok logo was about 6 inches wide, the stripes were sewn on, the numbers were bubbly, and the Indian head was bright yellow. He saw nothing wrong with any of that. I am dragging my wife into my obsession. She looked at the jersey and pointed out to me 5 different ways it was inaccurate. God, I love this woman.
  23. Yes, it looks great because it is a clean uniform instead of their current ridiculous design and clown numbers.
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