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  1. I’d hardly call it being a snob, just asking for a little more respect to the Ducks’ initial brand. Is Eggplant all that different from “Pittsburgh Gold?” What I didn’t do was dismiss people’s enjoyment of a specific look as nostalgia (maybe they like the colors, striping style, or even the logos for their craftsmanship). I didn’t bring a concussed player’s tearful speech into the discussion. The reason I called you out for “gatekeeping” was that you were so willing to dismiss all love for the identity as “nostalgia” and used your childhood story as an excuse for your hated, claiming that fans of the movie were “ruining” your youth hockey experience and not understanding the game. It shouldn’t matter how they got into hockey, they’ll learn soon enough and become good fans in their own way.
  2. A’s: Never wear a road cap ever again. Red Sox: Add placket trim to the road uniforms to match their home set. Cleveland: Invert the lettering colors on the road uniform. Rockies: Make the all-purple caps the primary. Cardinals: Put “St. Louis” on the road uniforms. Atlanta: Never wear a road cap ever again. Blackhawks: Match the sleeve stripes to the hems/socks on the red sweater. Kings: Add hem stripes to the home uniforms. Avs: Replace the navy on the shoulder patch with black (don’t revive the yeti foot). Maple Leafs: Add one stripe to the hem. Lightning: Brighten the blue to a near-powder shade (so black will show up against it). Capitals: Use capital letters in the crest.
  3. I’m fine with grey face masks, as long as there is historical precedent for the team or if grey is in the color scheme. What I’m not fine with are white facemasks on dark-colored helmets (current Rams, 1980s-‘90s Giants, and early ‘80s Vikings). It should never compete with the helmet logo for attention. Luckily, grey or shell-colored facemasks prevent this.
  4. They made an exception with two guys, not a universal reversal. A poster must reform themselves as a dupe before remotely being considered (which is why the appeals system is a good idea). Unless something happens with the Stoolies, I doubt Tank will come back. We are mere ants in the afterbirth of his internet fame, looking on as the Stoolies push him to an even earlier grave. I’m glad the mods realized their mistake and made the right decision. You guys came to the correct course of action after a brief bit of stumbling, and I know plenty of moderators who wouldn’t do that. Good for you. Hopefully, this will be a good moment for self-reflection as for how to run the community. As long as admiral gets the apology he deserves, I’m good with it.
  5. Also, that suspect thread that got ChrisCLEMENT banned? He clarified it was a guy he knew in that thread. Might want a reprieve there. EDIT: Ah, makes sense.
  6. Mods, you should have at least given him a warning, given that you’re supposedly on good terms with him/enjoy his contributions. It’s a little bit shameful how you conducted yourselves here.
  7. @Cujo, you finally got through to the mods! What took so long to convincingly prove the dupe?
  8. That’s where I am as well. Just a minimal response, not a standing ovation. Don’t toss him to the curb (a la John Rocker), but don’t act like he’s overcome a personal tragedy. It’s not like he’s Luke Heimlich, it’s just some disgusting tweets that hopefully don’t reflect his current views. There will always be :censored:s who will cheer him on for those racist tweets, we just have to understand that they don’t speak for the whole fan base. I’m sure there are Giants fans who’d gladly parrot Hunter Strickland’s racial epithets, and we just have to work around them.
  9. Yeah, sorry I overreacted. It’s the historian in me getting a little too strong. ? I’d still recommend reading this bit from Eric Foner on the matter.
  10. Yup: https://streamable.com/t/qq78q Disgraceful.
  11. Racial reasons, mostly. It’s got the uncomfortable subtext of “when you’re gone, we’ll get back to abusing non-whites and codify an apartheid state in law.” There’s also a bit of “War of Northern Agression” and “States’ Rights” coloring the use of the term. It’s also a bit of hyperbole to compare a sports team’s operation to the abuses of Reconstruction.
  12. If anybody here has a passing knowledge of coding, I'd like to see them make a bot that responds to topics in his style. We have News Bot, now let's get Tnak Bot! It'd cut out the politics part of his persona, so that's nice. As for the topic of HFM disease, just make sure to wash up better when holding camps with kids. Channel your inner germaphobe in that regard.
  13. Thanks. Sure you can! Just make sure to give me proper credit in any public posting of them, please. Thanks! I really liked making this one. I do have to agree that the "Los Angeles" is a little bit crammed onto the uniform. The "LA" makes for a better road insignia. Thanks, guys! I do see the resemblance. Thanks! I like that it's a cleaner narrative than the modern AL Angels. Also, you're right about your first pick. SAN FRANCISCO SEALS (FORMER WASHINGTON SENATORS/NATIONALS or expansion team) - Seal of Approval From that same Hardball Times article, we get this tidbit: Again, O'Malley and Stoneham thwarted the Griffiths' plans to move out west. Admittedly, if anybody deserved to have their team rot in Candle$hit Park, it was Calvin Griffith. However. what if his rebound effort went through? Let's assume that the move happens in 1958, with an expansion team taking up residence in LA. Griffith continues as owner for a bit longer, selling in the 1970s under financial duress (maybe threatening a Toronto move). Bob Lurie would buy the team, have issues drawing fans to that garbage stadium, and would deal with potential relocations to San Jose and Tampa Bay. The Magowan/Baer ownership group stops the move from happening, building Lefty O'Doul Park in the China Basin. The uniforms would have a decidedly retro aesthetic, embracing the off-white color and baseball traditions of both the club and city. This scenario would also work with an expansion team, just replace Griffith with an initial ownership group. We've got a lovely identity salad of the current SF Giants, the Sens/Nats, and the PCL Seals here. The colors are the Seals' late 1930s-early 1940s navy and orange (co-balance, unlike the Tigers and Astros), with the off-white/creme of the current Giants. It works for both an expansion team and a modification of the Sens/Nats color scheme (like the Browns swapping brown for black as the Orioles). The primary logo combines and updates bits of my Project 32 concepts for the Giants and Seals (former Giants). I added a cap (1954 Orioles-ish) to the old seal logo (itself inspired by the PCL team's iconography) while using Belgrad for the roundel font (like the Art Deco of the Golden Gate Bridge). The cap logo and the seal are the secondary and tertiary, respectively. The home and road set have a significant influence from all three of the clubs' ancestors/relatives. The pinstriped home uniform (which have a large role in the Seals' uniform history) features an off-white base and a home script that combines the "S" of the Senators' 1959-60 script with the reverse tail of the late 1950s Seals. It was a nice little touch to the design. The road set uses the cap logo (itself a blend of the Seals' later cap logo and the Giants' modern design) as a crest, as "San Francisco" was too long to render in the script font. It's a look that history for both the Giants and Sens/Nats, so it works. The asymmetrical stripes separate them from the Tigers and Astros, tying in to the Senators-style sock stripes. I know that it's kind of an unwritten rule to not use sock stripes and pinstripes, but the design is simple enough to not pose a problem. The number font is the Giants' one, with a no-NOB home uniform (for the extra retro touch at Lefty O'Doul Park). The alternates are pretty standard, with an orange top at home and a navy one for the road. The away alternate uses the full-bodied seal logo, and the home jersey employs an alternate cap with an orange bill and white cap insignia. It's not that different from what the Giants do now, albeit with navy replacing black. If you want to see what the home/road set looks like with a "San Francisco" script (rejected because it was "too jammed on the uniform"), here you go (within spoiler tags)! The jacket features creme sleeves, the script on the front/primary on the back, and the sock striping on the trim. While I love my Giants, I'd be more than happy with my hometown team looking like this. It's an identity that tastefully modernizes the Seals' look while keeping them distinctive within the majors (DO YOU HEAR ME, PADRES?!). C+C is appreciated, as always! Up next, the first stop in a long relocation roundelay. 1Paul Francis Sullivan, “The Franchise Moves That Almost Happened | The Hardball Times,” The Hardball Times, June 21, 2011, https://www.fangraphs.com/tht/the-franchise-moves-that-almost-happened/.
  14. I wish fans would be more sparing/careful with the use of the word "carpetbagger." It's a bit of a loaded term, given its connection to Reconstruction and the post-Reconstruction fallout in the South.
  15. Can we please get the "stadiums/arenas that need a renovation" thread restored to the Goldmine? It's been long enough since the events of the thread, and it kind of blows that such a fascinating board moment is inaccessible.
  16. You could always be like @hockey week and just call it purple and green, with a cruel comment about “Paul Kariya’s tears“ (before we learned that he was severely concussed at the time) and how people only love the identity because of nostalgia. I get that he was “bullied” by fans of the movies who “didn’t understand hockey,” but his attitude came off as both dismissive and gate-keeping. I’m glad he and Octopus have stopped chiming in on the Ducks. I like real discussion of it, without assuming everybody who liked the old identity was a Disney shill/blinded by nostalgia. It added little to the conversation. The third sweater is a messy hodgepodge, but it also demonstrates why the Ducks should start from scratch with their look. They’ve never had a solid set of logos that could stand up to time, instead opting to trend-chase. Just keep the name and a retro third, while rebooting everything else.
  17. It’s the uniform equivalent of this: It’s for when you want a hodgepodge of retro elements on a moder frame with little concern about how they mesh together. An ugly mess ensues.
  18. “A” would work if the team still played in Philadelphia and Kansas City, but A’s has been in Oakland for nearly 50 years and associated with the best periods in franchise history (the 1970s “Swingin’ A’s). I’m in favor of keeping the “A’s” over “A.”
  19. It's funnier with audio (Kamen Rider Blade has a "reputation" of sorts)! I get where you're coming from. Take care of yourself, and come back when you feel like you're ready. Trust me, I've had plenty of moments like that over the years. The "St. Louis" script looks better with a lower tail, good work! I also like the small stripes on the birds-on-bat set.
  20. Well, I like what I'm seeing! Israel: I really like the revision, @Victormrey. You've done good work in using their color scheme and setting up the dual/Northwestern stripe pattern. The powder blue uniform with the Hebrew script is a good touch. Italia: @MJD7, you've done a good job with giving the team a more distinct identity. The addition of green, the contrast-colored sleeves, and the striping pattern are fantastic. I find that I like the red numbers of the update, yet prefer the solid cap on the home uniform. The flag-centric set is also fantastic. Well done! Nippon: The tweaks are pretty solid here, Victor. The country pride set makes good use out of the sublimated patterns and takes advantage of the red hue. Nice work! Mexico: The racing stripes were an inspired touch! I would have liked to see a split letter number font (kind of like the old Grizzlies or Blue Jays), but I get that it'd pose legibility problems on a pinstriped background. The Aztec pattern uniform is a strong addition to their uniform package. The Netherlands: You've handled the color scheme very well here, with appropriate tweaks for the scheme. I like the art reference on the orange jersey, but I must admit that the powder outlined in white is a bit too bright for my tastes. I'm not sure how you'd fix that (since altering it defeats the point of the design), but I'd pin it on personal preference. Well done. Nicaragua: As @Carolingian Steamroller said, I really like the alternate and the way you've handled the jersey striping. The primary home and road looks are both fantastic, working well with the fonts and colors. I'm a sucker for shoulder stripes, and your minimalist version of them was excellent. It's good! I can't wait for more, hopefully with more timely C+C on my end.
  21. The Clowns are a fantastic finale to the series! I like how you balanced the all-primary color scheme, which is never an easy feat. The scripts are fantastic as well. I’d say the Grays, Monarchs, and Oaks are my favorites. Well done!
  22. LOS ANGELES ANGELS (FORMER WASHINGTON SENATORS/NATIONALS or expansion team) - It's time to (Jack Kent) Cooke! One important twist in the Senators/Nationals relocation story is that the Griffiths originally considered moving out west. As this Hardball Times article states: Calvin Griffith dreamed of going out west, only to be turned back by officials who wanted a team that wasn't a flaming trash heap. However, what if the move went through, and Griffith got an expansion team to join him out west? I reasoned that the team would have completed the move/expansion process by 1958 (then a revolutionary prospect), changing their name to the traditional PCL moniker of "Angels" and adopting the I also reasoned that Griffith wouldn't have found the LA officials nearly as accommodating as O'Malley did, seeing as how the team blew chunks and didn't have O'Malley-level cash flow. After shacking up for a few years in Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum while trying to build a stadium, Griffith got fed up. In 1964, he sold the team to a very certain Canadian businessman with a knack for baseball: Enter Jack Kent Cooke, the most recent owner of the International League's Toronto Maple Leafs. He was a member of the Continental League in our timeline, so it would make sense that he'd want to get in on owning a major-league team.2 With the Lakers, Angels, and (soon) Kings in tow, he set about crafting a sports brand for a complex in Inglewood. It would include an arena (the LA Forum) and a baseball stadium (Angel Stadium, albeit in Inglewood and not Anaheim). The teams' colors would all be Forum Blue (purple) and Gold, and their branding would share fonts. Although Cooke would eventually sell the team in the 1970s, they would go on to have success with his identity package and carry it over through the years with minor modernization tweaks throughout. If you're wondering how the expansion version of this would play out, just replace Calvin Griffith with an expansion group from LA. This scenario would also work with the 1961 AL Angels, with Cooke moving the team to Inglewood instead of Gene Autry and Walt Disney shifting to Anaheim (for more info about the "Orange Curtain," read Lisa McGirr's Suburban Warriors). Basically, this was my attempt to merge bits of the Lakers, PCL Angels, and AL Angels into a cohesive identity. The primary brings together bits of the Angels' vintage logos, with the diamond, ball, and wings. The secondary/cap insignia homages the PCL Angels' cap logo, with a halo and in the italicized "Showtime" font (created by Conrad). The roundel acts as a tertiary. The home/road uniforms stay pretty simple, yet do plenty to showcase the purple/yellow color scheme. The wordmarks use the Showtime font, while the fonts include MLB Block with Serifs (like the Twins, one of the few Senationalators bits left in the identity) and varsity serif NOB's. I drew a lot of inspiration from this Lakers jacket (thanks for finding it, @Lights Out) in crafting the wordmarks. The sock stripes are off of my AL Angels concept, while the sleeve/pants stripes come from the Philadelphia A's concept earlier in the thread. The alternates allude to the PCL Angels' waffle weave shoulder stripes, albeit shrunken to add NOB/wordmark space and paired with contrasting stripes. I reasoned that it was a modernization/taming of an experimental 1970s design. The yellow version uses a yellow-crowned cap and yellow socks (with the stripes of the Lakers' old shorts panels), while the purple variant employs the "LA" logo as a crest (akin to several PCL Angels uniform templates). The yellow alternate also uses the tertiary on the sleeve. The second set of alternates includes a yellow-billed cap and an homage to the 1942 and 1935 Angels' uniforms, with the navy/red of the Senationalators (crests were also a big part of the Sens/Nats identity, so it works as a tribute to them). The multi-colored interlock design is off of the Angels' later cap insignias, while the socks are off of this uniform. The main jacket is purple with yellow/white/yellow shoulder stripes and the nickname wordmark. It also has trim stripes meant to accentuate each team color. The heritage jacket is a Braves-style design, albeit with the wordmark from my NL Angels (former Dodgers) concept and creme replacing white. I love the whole "Jack Kent Cooke in LA" aesthetic, and it was pretty fun to translate it into a baseball design that featured bits of the AL Angels' identity. It also provided me a way to allow the relocated Sens/Nats to renew themselves in a new location, much like what happened to the Orioles and Rangers. C+C is appreciated, as always! Up next, let's go a bit northwards for the other landing spot of the Senationalators/AL expansion team. 1Paul Francis Sullivan, “The Franchise Moves That Almost Happened | The Hardball Times,” The Hardball Times, June 21, 2011, https://www.fangraphs.com/tht/the-franchise-moves-that-almost-happened/. 2“UPI Focus: Jack Kent Cooke Dies,” UPI, April 6, 1997, https://www.upi.com/Archives/1997/04/06/UPI-Focus-Jack-Kent-Cooke-dies/1196860302800/.
  23. Thanks! I really like underlining the "w," as its emulates the underlining of the "Twins" script (highlighting "win"). The uniform doesn't really work as well with the "DC," but I can see the appeal. Thanks! I really do not like the Metrodome-era look. It's dated, has an indistinct color balance, and is fairly generic. However, it was not that tough to morph it into a set for the Senationalitors (which, is a bit of a testament to its generic-ness). I like doing uncanny valley-style concepts like these, it's a bit of my inner @robbman21 showing up. Well, you guys will see! ? Thanks! The Wishbone C really adds something to the design. I like it! The reason I didn't go with it initially was that I figured no vestigial logos would remain, unlike the Twins' 1987 redesign. I also wanted to develop a Twins-style "C" for an upcoming attempted relocation, so it was the perfect excuse to unveil it. It'll be perfect for when/if I do a simulation of the Twins' current mess of an identity (at least the Metrodome-era set was cohesive). Up next, time to go west!
  24. Tell me about it. I just wish @CC97 was a little more attentive about complaints from the forums and willing to delegate updating responsibilities/engage with the forum base.
  25. Colorwerx can do you one better, with official colors: If anything, the brown is supposed to be darker/more robust than the older shade. That team color codes site is very untrustworthy.