SFGiants58

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  1. I gave it a test run with my Brewers concept, just to test the functions: I'd say that it works really well! The options are plentiful, the layers are well-organized, and the use of smart objects for caps and helmets was an inspired choice. I did notice that the layer mask on the jersey back was misaligned, but that's a quick fix. I'd also suggest adding Tigers-style belt loops. Still, well done and I'd love to see it gain traction on the forums!
  2. The earliest rumblings of the neo-retro movement in baseball also happened in the 1990s. Take the Giants, who adjusted their cap and wordmark logos to "update" their 1947-1976 wordmarks and cap logo: Compare that to their bulbous 1983-93 look, as seen in this late 1993 image (a fun case of branding overlap): The White Sox started this push towards neo-retro designs in the 1990's (after being part of the "1987" wave): Many others following suit. The Phillies created an odd modernization of their "Whiz Kids" design, the Expos redid their uniforms in a traditional style, the Cardinals eschewed uniform stripes and added a road cap, the Reds revived vests and pinstripes, Cleveland brought back the 1940s-'50s scripts in an "uncanny valley" fashion, and the Angels revived their 1960s aesthetic for a brief period. Also, the 1993 teams both came out with modern spins on "traditional" (White Sox ripoff) designs. Neo-retro was an underrated part of 1990s design, one that would gain traction in the following decade.
  3. Marlins: It's nice to see that my concept had a bit of influence! While I like what you've done with the "Vice" colors, I think the color balance could use a little shifting. I'd go for a pink/black/cyan arrangement on the road uniform, using a lighter grey and a cap logo with inverted colors. My big complaint is that you played it a little too safe by not going with a magenta hat on the magenta-centric alt, and that you didn't fix the hat Marlin (i.e., deleting the hat Marlin). A new Art Deco-styled Marlin would be an excellent sleeve patch for the design. Angels: While it's good, it feels a little paint-by-numbers. The red bill really needs to be on the road uniform's cap (maybe have an alt cap with the alternates). As it stands, the attempt to co-balance red and navy takes some of the liveliness out of the set, making it look generic. A good method to rectify this would be to add some sock design with an emphasis on red, work yellow-gold into the trim, and maybe recreate one of the old primary logos the Angels used instead of the roundel. I see where you were coming from with this one, but it's too sedate. Giants: It's my team, and I kind of grade on a pass/fail system. You brought back the pre-2012 road uniform, so you pass. Faux-flannel is an especially nice touch as well! My only complaints are that you made the "SF" the primary logo, when the 2000-2013 roundel would work far more in that capacity (minus gold). The "script in front of a baseball" needs to go away. I'd also recommend adding sock stripes, be they the orange tri-stripe or an northwestern stripe (like these cuffs). Still, good work! I like seeing where you've taken this series, and I see a lot of potential in what you've done. However, I think you're holding yourself back a little. Some of your designs come off as sedate, with too much of a commitment to traditionalism instead of experimentation. It's OK to go wild with your designs every once in a while and branch out from this board's expectations for designs. Don't feel afraid to put out unpopular concepts or make the most out of unappealing ingredients (e.g., what you did with the Diamondbacks). Just keep pushing forward, improving your skills (e.g., original logo art, experimenting with colors, etc.) and building off of the forum's input.
  4. I’ve lived in Milwaukee for almost two years now, and I’d argue that you’re right. There’s way more of a beer scene here than there was in any other place I’ve been. I don’t drink beer or like drinking it (too many carbs with a not-so-nice taste), but I don’t mind the smell. I guess the Miller Park name makes sense with Milwaukee.
  5. 12/8/17, then 12/11/17. It’s not like it was a rapid-fire thing. I don’t see it as criminal as much as other people do. The organization was in horrendous debt before the purchase, and I doubt Jorge Mas’ capital would have been able to fix it while keeping the team together. The contract but the Marlins in the ass in the worst ways possible.
  6. Yeah, bad idea, especially when their sewers back up. How about Carlton Park? I could go on with several. Hank Aaron Field could work for both Atlanta and Milwaukee (although Matthews or Yount Park might be better for the latter).
  7. Josh Gibson Park would have been a fine choice, while Walter Johnson Stadium would have also worked (the Washington-Pittsburgh custody battle over the Homestead Grays might have interfered with the former). If we’re doing the “stadium named after players” bit, I’d suggest a few for teams with newer venues: Mays Park Clemente Field Schmidt Stadium Gwynn Park Nolan Ryan Ballpark at Arlington Killebrew Field Doby Park Robinson Field ...and so on. I’d also suggest renaming Marlins Park as José Martí Stadium, as he’s the one Cuban revolutionary that the exiles can get behind. I’m kind of kidding, kind of not kidding.
  8. I'd say it's the other way around. Sure, the Texans may have a boring color scheme, but they make up for it with a dynamic logo that ties together state iconography. They also have an excellent minimalist uniform design, with the USC-style shoulder stripes and the colored collar. I like it more than the Oilers' design, which just does not resonate with me at all. P.S. The NFL retired the name "Oilers" upon the Titans' rebranding, so the Texans can't use it and the Titans can't switch back to it. Move on guys, and don't ask for more record book dickery.
  9. Really? The Texans have a far more solid brand and brand presence than the Bobcats ever did. This isn't a case where "the fans will only accept the franchise if it has the old name" like it was in Charlotte. The Texans have won more playoff games than the Bobcats, have been around for longer (16 years, compared to the Bobcats' 10), and have a firmer identity, with one uniform design that's gone mostly unchanged since inception. Compare that to the "musical chairs" nature of the Bobcats' uniforms, where they could never settle on a single look. People have accepted and embraced the Texans, and changing them back to the Oilers for nostalgia's sake would hurt that. Besides, we don't need people dicking around with the NFL records again, especially in a post-facto nature. Let the Oilers die and stay dead. I'll give you this, a white helmet would both look good for the team and enable a faux-Oilers throwback. That'd be neat.
  10. Also, there’s the question of winning. If the team wins out of the gate while wearing the new duds, they’ll stick for a bit (Seattle Seahawks, Buffalo Sabres, etc.). If their losing increases (see Cleveland Browns), the fans will hate them faster.
  11. You do realize this is the first step on the path that will lead us to the wet dream of so many people on these forums? Thanks @Htown1141, you have beautifully portrayed the twisted minds of the “Bring Back the Oilers” crowd. P.S. The Texans with white helmets and red primary jerseys is a good look to me.
  12. The Barons look pretty good! I like the Ohio State-style stripes, and the top hat is a good touch. My only complaint would be the grey socks on the home uniform and the number font (which doesn’t mesh well with the Old English lettering). Good work.
  13. George Sisler's plaque captures a look of displeasure. Maybe he's predicting how people will constantly forget him when describing the best first basemen to play to the game (he's 21st on baseball-references JAWS scale for first basemen).
  14. I’d say that the ball started rolling against when Nolan Ryan picked the Rangers for his cap, because he was on bad terms with the Angels and Astros at the time (the Mets weren’t even a consideration). Had the Hall picked, I think he’d have gone in as an Angel or a blank cap (or to be cheeky, a cap with the outline of Texas).
  15. Warner Bros. had the right idea with their cartoons. It’s better than pretending that a piece of “offensive” media never existed.
  16. [shameless self-plug] I simulated what would have happened if the Astros followed the gradient trend instead of the metallic gold one. It looked mildly better. [/shameless self-plug] They would have replaced it by 2000, but it would have kept more visual continuity in their brand.
  17. If we’re talking Veteran’s Committee, Kenny Lofton and possibly Omar Visquel.
  18. Well, Wahoo is only on one plaque, and it’s super-obscured: Since Early Wynn wore the solo “Wishbone C” (without Wahoo), might it be time for him to get a new plaque?
  19. I just want anything that isn’t Totems. It’s just a Native American mascot debacle waiting to happen and the logo that Totems fans love so much is an absolute mess of a design that would look both outdated and out-of-place next to NHL-level designs.
  20. Having been to Miller Park several times (I live in Milwaukee), I must say that the concourses and the rear windows make it far lighter than the depressing Kingdome. I know some people may take umbrage at this, but I really do enjoy Miller Park. I don’t get the vibe of depression from it, unlike fixed dome stadiums. The “umbrella” at Safeco does give it a bit of the volcano lair vibe, but it has a bit more charm than Chase Field/Ken Adam’s crowning achievement. At the very least, I don’t feel like sampling John Barry’s score when looking at Safeco.
  21. Is it bad that Chase Field always makes me think of Blofeld’s volcano base from You Only Live Twice? Dumping the red caps makes the Diamondbacks’ identity a little less messy, but it doesn’t fix the nasty gradients or whatever the heck is up with the limits on the neon teal outlines. This team really should have just dropped red altogether in the favor of black/teal/metallic gold or a modernized teal/purple/gold.
  22. Thanks, and that’s good by me! I like the faux-flannel (again, the aesthetic supports it) and the removal of stripes from the road uniform. I look forward to your next one.
  23. I fixed your post. Allow me to repeat what @hawk36 said about naming conventions in sports: Sports have their own naming conventions, ones that go beyond nationality. Leave your "this is North America" BS at the door.
  24. Well, this series looks fun! I’ve been following it from afar, but I think it’s high time I posted here. Cardinals: Good on you for bringing back the red bill on the navy cap and going all-out on the retro uniform. Nice work. Astros: I get wanting to do the color flip, but it really doesn’t work for them. Orange lettering and accessories with the road uniform would be the best option. Nationals: I like having the DC Flag sleeves and the striping design, but the scripts don’t work all that well with a double outline. I’d also recommend deleting the red bill (too Braves-like). Tigers: I get wanting to back to the two “D” logos, but a better method would be to merge the two designs into one logo. The faux-flannel on the road uniform is a nice touch, but I’m not sure it’s really needed (the “Detroit” script is a tad too modern for it). Still, good work. Reds: The “Cincinnati” script could do with a redesign, so that it’s less bulbous and more like the “Reds”/number font. Aside from that, good work. Royals: I had no idea about the two different “KC” logos, but I’m glad you picked the thicker one. The white outlines on the road are ok (I usually don’t like them), but part of me wishes you’d have blue/gold/blue stripes on the sleeves and pants (more differentiation from the Dodgers). Nice job! Diamondbacks: I’d dump the black lettering on the road uniform/black numbers on the home uniform in favor of teal, but that’s just me. I always like that striping pattern, and you pulled it of pretty well. White Sox: The circus numbers really clash with the “Sox” insignia in a way that a block variant wouldn’t. Aside from that, I like it. Twins: I like that you’re trying to update the “Metrodome” look, but the differences in the two wordmark fonts are a tad iffy. I’d suggest creating a “Minnesota” wordmark that matched the “Twins” one, or vice versa. Braves: I want to like it, but I just find it far too busy. The weight of the scripts doesn’t support the double outline, and the royal and red are too bright to work within your striping patterns. This same design with single outlines would be more appealing. A’s: I would prefer it if the road cap had a white outline on the logo for consistency, or that there was no road cap at all. Still, good work! Brewers: I really like the new blue color, and it’s always good to see the Barrelman patch. I’m not totally convinced by the “BiG with wheat” logo. Maybe it would look better with a newly-drawn wheat stalk that followed the BiG’s lines? Subtlety would help its cohesiveness. Red Sox: You’ve made the “right moves” here, and I’m glad to see my idea had some influence. Thanks! I’m not fond of the red cap (the hanging socks on navy look better to me), but it’s still good. Yankees: I’d suggest switching to a different block number font (less thick). I also like the faux-flannel, as the wordmark is “old” enough to support it. Padres: It’s a classy brown/yellow design, so I can’t complain that much. I would rather have the swingin’ friar without the roundel, but that’s a matter of personal preference. Rockies: I like the newer color scheme, but they’re still “White Sox clones” with the circus font. Try something with a bit more “heft” that still looks rustic (your chosen aesthetic, I think). Stingrays: I’d redraw the logo, so that it’s a Stingray and not a Devil Ray (two different animals). Aside from that, I like the fonts and color scheme. If you could work the yellow into the sock stripes, that’d put it over the top. Pirates: The uniforms are good, but I’d recommend switching the “P” logo to the yellow jersey, for synergy with the cap. The primary logo could be made to look less bulbous, with sharper lines on the beard and face. Cleveland: It’s just too bland for my liking. I’d go with the “block C with feathers” or “block C on a drum” route to logo design. Also, I’d recommend that you’d use “text on path” rather than “radial arch distort” to render the scripts on Photoshop/Illustrator, as it produces far cleaner wordmarks. All in all, you’ve done some fantastic work! I look forward to more.
  25. I've been following this series, and I think there's plenty of potential in your ideas and concepts. Orioles: I'd rather you have the Cartoon Bird on both the caps and helmets, but your method is fine as well. Red Sox: Adding some placket striping on the road uniform would be a good addition. Otherwise, good work. White Sox: I get where you're coming from with the big stripes on the uniform, but I'm not entirely sure that they work well with the Old English "Sox" insignia. That marriage of modern and vintage doesn't work as well as it does on the current uniforms. Having the silver-grey bills on the caps would also help the design. Cleveland: I like your idea for the color balance, but the navy "C" on the red background looks as bad as it does now. Either add an outline or make it white. The "C" update is fantastic, and I'm glad you went all-in with it. It's best to minimize the name "Indians" on any design. Tigers: That's a nice way to go "wild" with them. Well done! Astros: The update meshes better, but the slab-serif lettering doesn't really go with the "wild" Tequila Sunrise design. I'd suggest using a font similar to the ones the Astros used in the 1960s, which has that "Space Age" aesthetic (while also updating the "H-Star" to match and have that "shooting look). I look forward to seeing what you'll do with the rest of the series!