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  1. Thanks! I can see where you're coming from with the odd-looking serifs. I've adjusted them in the update to be a bit less awkward. Thank you. The red-cap-on-road, despite the protests of some of the St. Louis contingent (i.e. McCall), is a fantastic look. Still, I like the idea of the Cardinals using a navy-crowned/red-billed cap on the road, as it both tributes team history and resists the 1990's "dark-n-fade" fad, to which the Cardinals' all-navy road cap belonged. The tertiary does look good as a title/retired number template. Good call. Thanks! I wanted a logo that incorporate the stripes pattern, so that's why I made it. I can see where you're coming from with it being too "busy," so I've removed the founding date in the update. Thank you. I'm sure you'll like the alternate take. Thanks. Thank you. I like the sock stripes when they're a bit toned down, and not the large size they were in the 1960's/with Stance. Anyway, here's a little update showing off the tweaked "StL" insignia and tertiary. Here's the NOB comparison, to make it a complete update. The alternate take should be up later today!
  2. That teal/black mix @Buc describes would be better with teal socks and a tad bit more gold in the pants stripes (just enough to avoid the ugly "floating stripes" look). I'd also like to chime in with a question, namely "How 'Florida' is Jacksonville?" I've always thought that it was culturally closer to the South than Miami and/or Tampa. I don't know many people from Florida, so I'm not sure how accurate that assessment is. I'd love to learn. The above question has relevance to the Jaguars' color debate. Would they rather look too much like the Dolphins, or too much like the Saints? Tangentially, would there be much opposition to a teal/black co-dominant color scheme with small gold accents?
  3. Thanks, guys! Thanks! I like what you did with the navy/metallic gold. It's a good color scheme, but I don't think it works for the Brewers. Thank you! I do think it'd look nice in dark green, but I like the idea of the "unified color scheme" thing being exclusive to Pittsburgh. Green and/or yellow-gold are a nice way to tie the Wisconsin teams together (as well as the Braisher stripe). I was curious about that too, but I think I've figured out something enjoyable. Thanks! I would not want to see the Brewers wear my alternate take in the modern day, especially when royal/yellow-gold is an option. Thank you! I tried to get a nice balance with the thick trim, but I think it could be a tiny bit thinner (not to make the front of the jersey look busy). I'll include it in an update. Thanks. It's another example of me trying to make the best of a crummy premise, namely the dark-n-fade fad. Their time was the mid-late 1990's and early '00s, and that time is over. I do wonder what the Germanic Brewers would look like in royal/yellow-gold. It'd probably just look silly, as the aesthetics don't line up. It's the same kind of discord that happens when people try to recolor the 2004-15 "Padres" script in brown/yellow. Anyway, onto Los Birdos! ST. LOUIS CARDINALS, PT. I - The Cardinal Way of Restomodding. The Cardinals, despite their fans being the worst kind of jabronis out there (i.e., McCall ), have a beautiful identity. However, there are tiny problems with their set. The "StL" insignia is a tad too sterile for my liking, the retro alternate misses on several marks, and the away uniform could use a few choice alterations. So, let's get to it! The colors remain the same, as does the "bird on a toothpick." It's a strong logo, and I find it preferable to a roundel. The secondary is my tweaked version of the "StL" insignia, to have a bit more of the 1940-55 cap and 1960's -80's batting helmet /BP jersey flair. Here is a comparison. The tertiary is a home plate shape with the birds on top. It features the insignia, the founding date, and the sock stripe pattern. It's such a classic sock stripe pattern (dating back to 1951) that I wanted to put it in a logo. The uniforms get several tweaks. I brought back the old-school Rawlings NOB font, as I've always liked the way it looked. Here is a comparison. The road set has the most changes. I moved the "St. Louis" wordmark from the home alternate to the road jersey, as I hold to my belief that only the Phillies, Tigers, and Yankees are exempt from the "team name at home, city name on the road" rule. I also decided to split the difference between the red and navy away cap looks (both of which have their fans) by giving the navy hat a red bill. I've often advocated for the Cardinals to do this, as it's a good way to tribute those early-mid 1940's teams and inject a bit of color into their road uniforms without going overboard. Of course, I wouldn't make it the road and home hat, as the red cap has been with the team for over 50 years at this point and has survived pullovers, powder blue, and the no front number phase. I also restored navy belts to the aways. The retro alternate gets a big makeover. I added the sleeve/shoulder striping from the 1940-50 uniforms (which necessitated raglan sleeves), added the road cap (like back in the day), and redid the lettering. There's no NOB, the number font is a serifed block, and the bat on the script is now navy (like the old black bats). It's a bit more authentic now. The road alternate is a "clash kit" for when the team plays other teams with navy caps (i.e., Braves, Nationals, interleague in the AL East, etc.). It's a way to cater to the red-on-road fans. The Redbirds don't need a whole lot of changes, but these little tweaks restore and modernize a few classic touches. C+C is appreciated! For the alternate take, what if the 1956 redesign stuck? P.S. The number I used on the templates was for Giants/Cardinals Hall of Famer Orlando Cepeda.
  4. If that's the case, I hope the Vikings do a whiteout at some point. I really want to see this style back in action with the current set: The Vikings pulled off the white facemask look perfectly. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I like it when facemasks "stand out" on a uniform. It's why I defend gray facemasks for some teams.
  5. Thanks, guys! I'm sorry that I didn't get back to you guys sooner, but real life has kind of gotten in the way of the series. I won't be posting as frequently these next few weeks (or longer), so bear with me for a bit. I've got to pay more attention to the other parts of my life. Thanks! I think you'll like my Part II on them. Thank you! I thought about it, but I couldn't find a way to incorporate it that was natural/didn't clash with the rest of the design. If I made it the glove, it loses the symbolism. If I put it on Owgust's chest, it clashed with the logo's details. I wanted to work it in, but it just didn't flow well. Thanks! I'm going to stick by the yellow-gold jerseys. I've always liked the way they look for the team, and I find that look far more appealing than seeing royal/yellow-gold on a creme jersey (look at the Mariners' throwback to get why the combo isn't pleasing). Thanks, guys! Gothamite, you were right about dumping the patterned trim in my old thread. It was a bit too much for the Brewers' otherwise retro look. Patterned trim is OK for the Diamondbacks/Snakes and Rockies, but not really for the Brewers. Knowing a bunch of Brewers fans, I have a feeling that the patterned trim may be a step too far for them. Thanks for catching the typos! I too figured that the AL Los Angeles team might have gone by the name "Hollywood Stars" or "Los Angeles Stars," with a purple/yellow-gold color scheme (assuming that Jack Kent Cooke bought/founded the team). I might explore that at some point. Thank you! I'm glad you like the wordmark, as it's easily my favorite part of the set. It hits a balance between a baseball script and a vintage beer logo. It's perfect for Milwaukee! I can see why Ball-in-Glove lovers might take issue with it getting shunted off to alternate status, so I'm probably going to do a set (not a replacement, but a supplement) with the BiG as the primary cap logo. Owgust and the script carry enough of the "beer" imagery. I'll try that Wisconsin secondary idea for the alternate, and I may have a new alternate cap logo in the works. Thanks! I might do something with the 3D shadow/reddish Jays, but I doubt it. Whatever I'd wind up doing to it wouldn't be as fun as the Black Jays salvage operation. Anyway, onto the alternate take! MILWAUKEE BREWERS, PT. II - Es ist die rettungszeit! (It's the rescue/salvage time!) If I could sum up the 1994-99 Brewers' identity in one word, it'd be "potential." It had the potential to be a modern classic, what with the unique "germanic" font and the mixing of navy and metallic gold. However, the rollout set had a lot of problems, like an awkward arch pattern on the wordmarks, a weird cap logo, and too much of the forest green accent color. The 1997-99 tweaks fixed some of the issues by minimizing green, introducing a new cap logo, and redoing the arching. @Gothamite has suggested that the way to improve the set would be to eliminate the green and go to single outlines. That thread also features a funny @the admiral quote about why Brewers fans aren't fond of that period. He's right. As a current resident of Milwaukee, I never see the Germanic merchandise (period or reproduction) anywhere outside of a few people at Miller Park. Green goes away, leaving us with just navy and metallic gold. The primary logo still uses the "MB," but has a new backing diamond (adapted from my Carolina Pilots concept). The secondary is the "M" cap logo, and the tertiaries are updated versions of the Wisconsin logo, and the portrait of the 1970-77 Owgust (from the TATC uniform, my favorite TATC look) encased within the current primary logo's roundel. The standard set features only a few changes from the 1997-99 uniforms. The wordmarks and cap logo (based off of the road cap, as I like the extra gold) all have one outline, and the new primary is on the sleeves. I kept the thick striping, as it's a distinctive look. The alternates are where I have a bit more fun. The first one features the "Brewers" script in gold, as I wanted a little more gold in the set. The Wisconsin roundel is on the sleeve, as a city identifier. It doesn't have placket trim, as gold placket trim looked too busy. I brought back the barley pattern from my 2015 concept, as I wanted to use it somewhere in the set and it fit with the 1990's styling. The second jersey uses the "M" logo, with the Owgust roundel (as a team name identifier). It also has a metallic brim, like the Astros' old alternate cap. I'm surprised the Brewers didn't do it at the time, so I sought to fix this omission. It's nothing too fancy, but it goes to show how the close the Brewers came to a modern classic in the 1990's before they screwed it up with their modern look. C+C is appreciated! Up next, the now-eliminated St. Louis Cardinals!
  6. Somewhere, a man is crying onto his poster of Monica Bisordi. I'm just happy the Trollbirds can't wreak havoc anymore, and that the BFIB is stuck with the George Seifert of baseball managers.
  7. Thanks! I've had that same Giants-Dodgers thought as well. I've even mocked it up! Excuse me while I vomit profusely. Thanks, and I don't think you'll be disappointed with my Giants alternate take! Thanks! Thanks! I did think about the red numbers, but the influence of the AL Angels made me determine that the halo should be a color that doesn't appear anywhere else in the set. Besides, I've never liked powder and red touching. Anyway, it's on to the Brew Crew! MILWAUKEE BREWERS, PT. I - Roll out the Royal Blue Barrel (with yellow)! This one is a refinement of a concept I posted here about two years ago. I'll rehash what I said there, albeit with a few adjustments. In the two years since I released that concept, I moved to Milwaukee. I love it here, and I adopted the Brewers as my second team. It helps that the Giants have no "bad" history with the team, save for the Prince Fielder bowling incident. Heck, I've grown kind of fond of the moment. I like going to Miller Park, as it's a pretty laid-back facility (compared to AT&T Park) with plenty of sweet people. One of the things I've noticed about Milwaukee (aside from the polite, laid back people and all the cool places around the town) is that people here bleeping love the royal/yellow color scheme for the Brewers. I see it everywhere, with the current look getting relatively little attention. What I've also noticed is that people love Owgust, the Beer Barrelman. It's not to the same level as the Ball-in-Glove, but it's close. I've never been keen on the BiG, and my time in Milwaukee has not changed that. I don't dislike it, but I think its expiration date has passed. I've found that Owgust, in his many forms, is more adaptable and speaks more to the team name. So, I've taken it upon myself to give the Brewers a look that blends the club's history with the American Association Brewers' aesthetics (Thanks, @Gothamite and friends!). I restored royal and yellow, albeit with a bit of a twist. I used the Dodgers and Cubs' shade of royal blue (294 C), to make a compromise with navy (the primary color of the American Association Brewers and of the Major League team for the past 23 years). The yellow is proper 1235 C athletic gold, as the classic yellow was too pale. The new primary logo is a "Borchert Field-ized" version of the current cap logo, as the block M has relevance to both the minor league and major league baseball history of Milwaukee. It gets both the city name and namesake across while looking classy. It may be a bit Michigan-ish, but the proportions and the barley leaf make it different enough. I tweaked it to have uniform serif sizes (an issue I had with previous versions). The secondary logo is @ren69's excellent cleanup of the American Association Brewers' Owgust logo, albeit in the new colors. It's playful, has modern line weights, and fitting for the team/city. The tertiary is Owgust in front of Wisconsin, with Owgusts' glove hovering over Milwaukee (my modernization of this logo). The uniforms go for a classy look that fits with both team and civic history. The scripts are a modernization of the American Association Brewers' cursive wordmarks from the 1940's. It calls to mind the old styles of beer labeling around Milwaukee (which I've seen a lot of since moving here), while also paying homage to the history of baseball in the city. I adjusted the "s" in the "Brewers" script to look more like the 1940's version. The numbers are a modified slab-serif font, to tie in with the cap logo and with the aesthetic of some of those old beer signs. The scripts have enough heft for there to be less of a clash than with the Nationals. The "5" has a Packers-style notch. Owgust appears on the raglan sleeves, along with a simplified striping pattern (blue/yellow/blue, a sort of Braisher Stripe). The patterned trim of my first edition just looked garish to me and didn't fit a team of the Brewers' age. The sock stripes are the classic Packers' pattern, as I thought it worked well for the old-timey aesthetic. The first alternates have a little flair to them. The first is a gold top with a gold-billed cap. It uses the hat insignia as a crest, like the 1911-37 minor league Brewers. The blue jersey is a recoloring of the home uniform, with the tertiary on the sleeve (as a "civic identifier"). I put a limit on their usage, for obvious reasons. The throwback alternates are also fun. The first is a 1993 (because of the NOB) throwback with a few adjustments. These tweaks include a sleeve patch with the 1970-77 Owgust in front of the original Wisconsin logo. The socks bear the striping pattern of the 1969 Pilots, to discourage the Mariners from throwing back to that team. It's my way of satisfying the BiG fans. The second throwback is a recreation of the 1948 American Association Brewers' home uniform, which corrects some inaccuracies with the throwbacks. The cap M now looks like the original logo, while the jerseys gain a zipper front. I added Owgust to the sleeves, to enforce an informal visual continuity with the uniforms (cursive front, Owgust as a patch, etc.). This identity for the Brewers takes elements from the history of both the major league club and the history of baseball in Milwaukee (the American Association Brewers and their affiliation with the Braves). It merges these bits into a cohesive identity that balances both modernity and vintage charm. The throwbacks/faux backs also aid this goal, as they carry across a visual continuity of script and logo design with references to various points of Milwaukee's baseball history (i.e., the BiG, pinstripes, the classic cursive wordmark, and the Braves affiliation). C+C is appreciated! For the alternate take, we unlock the potential of a forgotten Brewers identity! EDIT (6/22/2018): Here is an update, featuring a new Owgust logo!
  8. This is the only way that Bronson Arroyo could retire. That quirky dude will always be one of my favorite players.
  9. Thanks, guys! Thanks! I thought about adapting the 50th anniversary logo, but the pastels were a little distracting. Thank you! I'll see if I can put the 1994-99 star on the orange alternate. Thanks, guys! I think you'll like my Padres concept. If you're wondering what I'll do with the Dodgers' Part II concept, wonder no more! LOS ANGELES ANGELS, PT. II - The Angels of Chavez Ravine It's retro Pacific Coast League time again! I know that it was standard practice not to rename teams upon relocation in the 1950s and '60s (except for the Browns-Orioles transition - because the Browns were a toxic trash heap of a team compared to the storied International League Orioles). These policies were because of the allure of "getting a big league team," and the Dodgers were one of the most famed teams of the '50s. However, let's say that Walter O'Malley looked to the Orioles' example of changing up his team's identity in a move. He must have realized that Los Angeles was quickly becoming a terrifying web of freeways with crap public transit (the trolleys that the Brooklynites "dodged"), rendering the team's name inaccurate. O'Malley already had plans to use the PCL Los Angeles Angels' interlocking "LA" logo with modifications, so what if he went all-in on a rebrand? The PCL Los Angeles Angels had many looks, some wilder than others. I decided to convert the Dodgers' script style to the "Angels" name, albeit with the addition of red halos (since the PCL Angels used a lot of red). I also added a light blue outline to all of the elements, as a way to differentiate the team from it's Brooklyn past and to incorporate the bright colors of Chavez Ravine Stadium. It also helped that the Dodgers had a past with light blue (see the Part I concept), so its addition wouldn't be out of place for the period. The primary logo uses a baseball with the new "LA" insignia (based on the 1958-71 cap logo) and the wings from my AL Angels concept. The wordmark has a bit of Belgrad, for that Art Noveau touch. The uniforms follow the "slight changes" thesis. The font numbers are contrast-colored with the scripts, as it was plausible that the team would retain that feature. The sleeves, pants, and socks all have an asymmetrical striping pattern. The team would say that it represented "the blue sky above Chavez Ravine" or something like that. While such a striping pattern wasn't standard in the 1950s/'60s (the Senators were the only team doing it), it wouldn't be "out of reach" for the period. The primary logo acts as a sleeve patch. The alternates are where I have a little fun and show people that a name change doesn't always equal ignorance of team history. The blue jersey features an asymmetrical take on the PCL Angels' "waffle weave" pattern and the cap logo as a crest. The retro alternate is a throwback to the 1952-7 Brooklyn Dodgers, meant for occasional wear at home (i.e., Jackie Robinson Day). It uses a proper Brooklyn Dodgers' "B," not the Red Sox hack or the Bakersfield Dodgers' logo. Although I'm glad the Dodgers didn't change their name upon moving to Los Angeles, I wanted to show how the team could have adapted their look to their new location (while honoring their Brooklyn days). If you're wondering what name the 1961 LA expansion team would have adopted, maybe they became the new Hollywood Stars (that name was too minor league for my tastes, even more than "The Angels Angels"). C+C is appreciated! Up next, my adopted team, the Milwaukee Brewers!
  10. The Stars found it: It's the perfect blend of the two green shades and would pair well with 1235 C. Here's a test: It's good in a vacuum, but all of the A's road caps are inferior to just wearing the home cap on the road: This is one case where cheaping out on batting helmets improved an identity. The elephant should also be white (per its origin story - John McGraw didn't call the Philadelphia Athletics a "green elephant").
  11. Except they're not too bright, and they look lovely together. I've never understood the complaint that kelly/yellow is "too bright." The shade the A's have used for throwbacks is fantastic and contrasts well with the yellow (even on gray backgrounds). The dark green looks good and all, but the kelly is even better. Of course, I'm a little torn. I love the way the dark green and athletic gold (PMS 1235 C, to be clear) contrast with each other. Besides, they've worn dark green for a bit over 35 years. That's a lot of brand equity behind that color scheme. This is the one case where a Brewers-like situation would be good. Have the kelly green or dark green be a full-time alternate. It would be even better than the Brewers' current identity confusion, given the continuity of the Old English A.
  12. Thanks, and it is my mistake for not looking at Urban Dictionary before deciding on the name. In my defense, "railers" (fellatio with way too much teeth action) is obscure. Still, both you and @MJD7 are right. "Railmen" has a clearer definition than "railers." The other options are also an issue. "Buffs," while the long-held name of Houston's minor league teams, is obscure when compared to the storied Pacific Coast League, American Association, and International League teams (look at the minuscule amount of Buffs merchandise sold on Ebbets Field Flannels). It doesn't help that buffalo imagery isn't all that unique in the Big Four and that Buffalo, New York has a monopoly on it. "Diesels," while a decent train name (and one that ties into former owner Drayton McLane's shipping company), isn't as marketable as steam train imagery. While "Railmen" is the best name change option (even though I can find no news articles suggesting the team considered it), all of the new identities are crummy compared to "Astros" and its brand equity. I too have never thought of Houston as South Texas. I spent my preteen/tween years in the heyday of the "Dirty South," so I associate that city more with the American South than I do with South Texas. Texas can be just as much of a regional hodgepodge as Florida. Thank you! I think I'll put a bit of a subtle angle on the scripts in an update. I'm sure you'll be pleased with my Dodgers alternate take. Thanks! I can see why you'd like the actual fonts more, but I believe that they were too modern for the railway identity. It needed a late-1990's vision of late-nineteenth-century railway aesthetics, and I think my fonts delivered it better than the wispy script the Astros employed. You are right about the road brick jersey being hard to read, which I'll fix in an update with a "Railmen" rename. I'm not all that keen on the color flip, but I wanted to make a "marketable" set for late-1990's standards. I assume that the Railers/Railmen would have eventually adopted brick caps and accessories on their road uniforms after the BFBS fad lost steam (npi). The Railmen should be a fun set to update after I finish up the division. That can be arranged, along with the other stars! I like the 1994-99 one the most in this arrangement, due to motion lines. It also illustrates my problem with the "static" nature of the classic and modern H-star insignias. With that out of the way: LOS ANGELES DODGERS, PT. I - De-cluttering with a sense of history The Dodgers have some of the best uniforms in baseball. The simple cursive scripts, the red front numbers, and interlocking "LA" logo are all classics. However, that is not to say that there isn't some gunk in their identity. The primary logo uses a wispy wordmark that looks out of place compared to the uniform lettering. The road uniform situation is iffy, as a team name on a gray jersey is a no-no, and the striping on the "Los Angeles" jersey looks out of place without pants trim. Also, the redundant sleeve patch is silly, and there is the inconsistency of the three "LA" logos. These were all issues that needed some attention. The primary mark now uses the uniform script. The secondary is a new interlocking "LA," based on the current cap embroidery logo and the 1958-71 version of the insignia. Here is a visual comparison. The tertiary is my attempt to modernize several 1910's-20's Brooklyn Dodgers logos. The uniforms do not undergo much change. There are no sleeve patches or striping on any of the uniforms (akin to the state of their jerseys and pants in the 1960s). I also brought back the bold Block Standard numbers, as I liked their extra heft. The NOB letters are a thinner varsity block, like the old Goodman & Sons font the Dodgers used in the 1970s/'80s. It's nothing to write home about, but it brings some much-needed consistency to the identity. The two road alternates (which would appear on rare occasions) have their fun touches. The first is a hodgepodge of different Brooklyn Dodgers looks (for occasional wear against the Mets, Giants, and Yankees). The cap is a gray take on the 1938 hat and the uniform script (the Dodgers should always use cursive wordmarks, not insignias, on uniforms) and numbers use the powder of the 1929-31 (and 1944) squads. I added the Brooklyn-style (and briefly in LA) stripes to the placket and sleeve. The socks are straight off of that 1931 gray outfit, to give it an extra red punch. The other road throwback, which recreates the 1971 road uniform, would also have few appearances. It features the tertiary logo, to give the jersey some small city identifier. This alternate not only revives one of my favorite one-year uniforms, but it also caters to the fans of the white outline period while doing something unique with the team's traditional look. The Dodgers don't need to fix much, but these minor tweaks do much to improve the set. C+C is appreciated. For the alternate take, we're getting something a little angelic.
  13. Thanks, guys! Thanks! Navy/yellow/orange was the Warriors' color scheme for my formative years with the team, so I've always associated that color scheme with them. While I'm a big royal/yellow fan and I understand that navy/yellow/orange was an anomaly for the Warriors, I still have a soft spot for it. It would have suited the Astros well. I wanted to put the red color in there to "darken" it, but it sticks out like a sore thumb (literally). I'll adjust that in an update. Eurostile is one of those "futuristic" fonts that's been thrown around in sci-fi and on consumer electronics (look any scientific calculator from the 1980s/'90s) from the way back in the 1960s (usually in bold or extended weights). The Astros adopted it just before we all got tired of it. I like it, but the wider, bolder weights are more "retro cool" than anything else. The gold thread was something new in baseball, so I can see the argument that it'd be "futuristic" by 1992-3 standards. It's only in hindsight that it just looks like trend-setting/chasing. Thanks! Thank you. I always liked that concept you did, and I'm glad to hear the story inspiring it. BTW, in your MLB Alternate Universe thread, what team was going to swap places with the Astros? I wondered how you'd handle them. I don't think I'll be incorporating those uniforms into my set. However, that friar logo may show up in the alternate take. Anyway, it's alternate take time! HOUSTON RAILERS, PT. III - Hop on the love train I've made it no secret that I like the idea of Astros' 2000-12 identity, without liking its execution. It would have been far better had the team dumped the "Astros" name (@pmoehrin likened their aesthetic to the time-traveling train from Back to the Future Part III), used a more "old-timey" font for the scripts and numbers, and did more with that brick color. This series was an excellent opportunity to show it off how I would have handled it! There have been rumors that the Astros planned to switch their name to the "South Texas Railmen" or "Houston Diesels" upon their move to Enron Field/Minute Maid Park (with Union Station as its cornerstone).1 I didn't want to use "South Texas Railmen." "South Texas" is a terrible location identifier (especially with the Rangers around), and "Railmen" didn't pass the "Would a twelve-year-old snicker at it?" and "Does it end in 's?'" tests. I'll leave you guys to figure out why a kid would find it funny. "Houston Diesels" also didn't work, as diesel engines aren't as marketable as steam trains. While some may have wanted "Buffs" (for Houston's old minor league team), Buffalo imagery had too many links to the city of Buffalo (and the death of the Oilers ). So, I went with "Railers." It's two syllables, train-themed, and ends in "s." The logo is a combination of contemporary (late 1990s-early 2000s) train logos and intricate illustrations. The train is at an angle, implying speed with its long smoke trail. The fonts are Herchey Script and the Brandiose-design Cincinnati Reds font. They both looked more retro than the 2000-12 Astros' script font and "Chicago Bears in book weight" numerals. Herchey also has the faux-retro "offness" of the Indians' wordmarks, for period-accuracy. The "H" cap logo is the secondary, and the tertiary is the cap logo in a Purdue-style roundel with train tracks as baseball seams. While patterned trim was on its way out, it still had enough of a presence in sports aesthetics to justify its inclusion. There is no Texas logo, because of the Rangers' claim to that imagery in baseball. The uniforms are similar to the Astros' 2000-12 set, albeit with some key differences. The home look takes after the 2002-12 home alternate, as I wasn't keen on the black pinstripes. The road uniform engages in an accessory color flip, like the Mets of the period. While I don't like it (I was a fan of the Astros wearing brick gear on the road in 2012), I did it for period plausibility. Simple striping and the primary logo are on the sleeves, fixing a matching issue from the 2000-12 uniforms. The first alternates assume that the Railers would have had the same problem our Astros had with brick jersey overexposure. So, I made both home and road sets, color flipping them to go with their respective accessories. The home version also has the tertiary as a sleeve patch, for more differentiation. The other alts are a bit more intriguing. The first is a black jersey for both home and road use. It has the cap logo as a crest, the primary logo on the sleeve, and an all-black cap with a matching gradient batting helmet (like the Mets and Rockies). The other uniform is a way the Railers could have appeased the fans of the "Astros" identity in the same vein as the Brewers' retro uniforms and the Padres' brown shirts. It color flips the home uniforms' scripts and adds Tequila Sunrise patterned racing stripes in the Railers' colors (like the 2004 All-Star Game BP/Home Run Derby tops). I opted to use the black cap and gradient helmet, as an allusion to the Astros' navy hats and the Rainbow Guts pattern. While I'm glad the Astros got cold feet on changing the name, this concept demonstrates how they could have had a strong identity had they gone through with a name swap. C+C is appreciated! Up next, beat the Los Angeles Dodgers! 1While I did find two articles that indicated "Diesel/Diesels" as a potential name, I found nothing that ever claimed that "Railmen" was in the mix. I guess this is one of those cases where a rumor gets repeated so often it's assumed it's true (going back to 2005, according to the CCSLC's search engine).
  14. Thanks! I'm surprised the team didn't experiment with gradients, but I can get why they didn't (i.e. wanting to look "more mature," mockery of the vintage tequila sunrise, etc.). I wanted to have the star's edges meet the edges of the "H," but it looked awkward. I'm glad you're looking forward to Part III! Thanks for the compliment and for pointing out the error. I've fixed it. Thanks! Thanks, and I think you'll like Part III.
  15. Thanks, guys! It's time for the first alternate take. HOUSTON ASTROS, PT. II - From guts to a gradient It's no secret that the Astros' 1994-99 is a controversial one. Some people have a feverish love for it, while others loathe it. I think it's a dull mess of a set, plagued by bad 90's-isms: The over-emphasis of navy, the gold replacing orange (a color they had worn for the past 30 years up to that point), and the Eurostile numbers made for a soulless set, devoid of any of the "character" that the Astros had cultivated since their days as the Colt .45's. Playing under the Astrodome lights didn't help much with the set's dullness. Still, it is easy to see why the team went this route, given their previous uniforms: While it may have been a fun look (it would look better with orange outlines on the lettering, and a font that isn't Kabel Bold), it had long since passed its expiration date. It made sense for the Astros to subdue their uniforms further and replace the "garish" rainbow guts and orange with tiny splotches of metallic gold obscured by oversized double outlines. There was another way, one that @the admiral pointed out: I thought this was worth an exploration. Given the Padres and Giants' redesigns in the 1990's (as well as the Phoenix Suns' 1992 overhaul), it's not like orange was a non-starter. However, just adding some orange outlines wouldn't be befitting of the progressive-looking Astros. I turned to a trend that cropped up in the late-'80s and continued throughout the '90s. That's right; it's gradient time! While there may have been technical obstacles to adopting the gradient (as @ColorWerxhas described regarding the Miami Heat's primary logo), I'm sure the Astros would have used the bespoke woven glacier twill/machine embroidery that the Rays adopted in 1998. Heck, I've long thought that the inaugural Devil Rays set was the perfect blueprint for a 1990's take on the classic Astros. The logos come from the 1994 rollout, albeit with modifications to fit with the new gradient look (i.e., single outlines in navy). I opted for a three-color gradient, with white being the star color in the wordmarks. I created an updated H-star to fit with the set, as one of my biggest complaints about the 1994-99 Astros was the lack of an "H" on their cap insignia. The solo star is the tertiary. The uniforms feature more inspiration from the period (you must remember New Historicism and its emphasis on historical context when discussing alternate visual histories). The layout of the uniforms is similar to the ones in our universe, with only a thin piece of pants trim. The block numbers are italicized (like the contemporary Phoenix Suns and the modern Florida Gators - who use MLB Block Standard ) and do not have a gradient pattern due to cost (akin to the Devil Rays). It's simple, but it sets the team apart and is doable with early-1990's editions of Adobe Illustrator. The alternates are two navy jerseys, mimicking the two worn by the team in those years. The first features the home script, while the other has the H-star. The H-star uniform uses the solitary star on an orange-billed cap. Instead of throwing out bright colors, the Astros could have adapted them to work within '90s conventions. This concept is my interpretation of how they could have gone about it. C+C is appreciated! Up next, choo-choo!
  16. Thanks! I'm also opposed to color flips between home and road uniforms, with the Red Sox being the sole exception. Your assessment of the three traditionally-orange teams is spot on, too. I'm more willing to have the Giants embrace orange in tiny ways, (their old Orange Friday uniforms are pretty sweet, and the orange-billed cap is a fun alternate) but never to an Orioles level (heck, I gave them two orange jerseys and no black tops). The primary logo was a big pain in the ass to do. I wanted a shape that could contain the pattern, while still being "space age-y" enough (like the Enterprise's mission patch). I've decided to use a roundel in the update, as it has precedent with the Astros and I've already eliminated a bunch of roundels in my series. Restoring one is OK. While I like the "radioactive kumquat," I can see why you couldn't sell yourself on it. Thank you! I didn't think the tequila sunrise streak would go over all that well, so the response is pleasing. I tried to make the star and contrail align, but it messed with the color distribution of the contrail and the star's size/distance from the wordmark. After you mentioned the R/P, I too could not unsee it. I have fixed the "R" in the update. Thanks. I get that the font might not be to everybody's taste, but it worked as a modern take on the "space age" font the Astros used from 1965-74 that combined some good parts of the 1990's lettering (the "S"). If anything, I'd argue that the straight bold text of the 1990's uniforms was "out of place" on a baseball jersey (as well as that crappy number font the uniforms used - Eurostile Condensed Bold is not an elegant number font). Also, I don't think you'll be disappointed by my first alternate take. Thanks! I thought about using the home plate from the MK I concept, but the result looked too much like Royals' primary logo. It lost the "home plate" imagery due to the proportions. I still like the script more than the uniform I threw out. The rejected one just looked bad when I mocked it up, and I had my "George Lucas watching The Phantom Menace rough cut" moment. I can justify its inclusion in the main set as trying to merge the Space Age aesthetic with a neo-retro cursive script. Besides, reducing the amount of tequila sunrise on an orange background made for a cleaner look. I envisioned the pattern as a sublimated design on a button front since I dislike pullovers. As for the maligned identity, think back to one of the bright spots of the late-'90's Cubs. Thanks! I'm fixing the "R" and using a roundel primary (with the shooting sunrise pattern) in this update. I thought about making a matching number font, but it pushed the uniform a little too deep into the cartoony realm. The block variant looked a lot better to me, as it kept the aesthetics a bit more "grounded." Also, block numbers were more appropriate for a team of the Astros' vintage, given that they have not built up an "iconic" proprietary lettering font (like the Pirates, Cubs, and Blue Jays). It's not bad at all that you liked the orange alternate. I liked it until I mocked it up, then I got cold feet about it looking realistic for on-field use. I still have a soft spot for it, and I'll make sure to include it in any future presentations/updates of my Astros concepts. Anyway, here is an update with a new primary roundel, a fixed "R," and a small number font tweak (the "4" was too high, so I fixed it to better match the 1960's-70's font). That's a bit better.
  17. Thanks! I like both of them too, but I might have to give the edge to purple/powder. Stumbling upon that muted purple made that color scheme work. Thanks. I used that color arrangement on the cap because I didn't want a royal outline on a green background. Part of my goal in the concept was to have green and blue show up in near-equal proportions on colored backgrounds (one of my complaints about the Whalers' classic look was that blue barely showed up on the green sweater). Also, a white "D" would mess with the silver outline. Thank you! I think I'll take a gander at that. Thanks! I'm also a fan of that color scheme for the Jazz. The purple does go well with the silver train and its details. Well, I ran into a bit of an issue. Allow one of my favorite Plinkett review highlights to describe: In testing out the alternates on my action templates, I got some serious cold feet. One of them (which I'll show off at the end of the post) just looked terrible, and I opted to throw it out of the main set in favor of another design. Anyway, onto the Astros! HOUSTON ASTROS, PT. I - An adventure into the Neo-Retro realm! This concept has been a long time coming. After releasing my Project 30 concept for the Astros, I became dissatisfied with it. The font was too extended, the color balance was a tad iffy, and the racing stripes were a bad idea. Upon creating a condensed version of the font (Space Frigate - which had a bit of a "TMP-era Star Trek" look to it), I redid the concept with a vertical arch on the wordmarks. It brought the look closer to the original "Shooting Star" uniforms (which is something many neo-retro Astros concepts miss). I let it sit on the backburner for a while, cycling through different ideas on how to improve the look. I went through several styles of striping (racing stripes, tequila sunrise cuffs, etc.), shifted the color balance to orange-dominant (an idea @the admiral triumphed), and tried to find ways to work with the tequila sunrise pattern. These trials went on for the two-year duration of my old tweaks thread/dumping ground. Included here are galleries of several of the phases these concepts went through, these being MK I, MK II, MK III, and MK IV. Project 32 presented me with an opportunity to incorporate these experiments into one concept. I wanted the logos and uniforms to convey forward motion (slab-serif is too static for a team like the Astros), preserve that 1960's space age-y charm, and use a unique color balance. Orange-dominance won out, as the all-orange look is something the Astros could own in the majors. Also present is the tequila sunrise pattern, in a three-color form. The primary logo features the new cap logo with a tequila sunrise contrail. The hat insignia (no longer a tilted version of the 2000-12 star logo) fixes the "static" nature of the current and retro H-stars. Slab-serif is not congruent with the space age/motion aesthetic, so I placed an italicized "H" into the logo. Here is a sampling of all of the variants I went through before deciding on a final one. Another benefit of this H-star is that it shows up on white/gray backgrounds, unlike the current one. The tertiary is the home uniform script. The uniforms are where the neo-retro approach becomes evident. The arched wordmarks rest underneath a modernized "shooting star" pattern, which features the tequila sunrise at the center. I've opted to render the sunrise pattern in a symmetrical pattern, to mimic a contrail. This style has precedence for the Astros, with their racing stripe uniforms. While it may be a bit too much color, I think I've used enough navy to keep the shades restrained. Thin striping graces the sleeves and pants, to draw attention towards the scripts. The primary logo is on the sleeves. Sock stripes mimic the look of the Colt .45's hosiery and the pattern on the wordmarks. The number font is my attempt to imitate the 1960's-70's varsity font used by the Astros.1 It's more neutral than the slab-serif. The alternates also have a neo-retro character to them. The orange top uses a cursive script, inspired by an old @robbman21 concept. I used thicker fonts (Fenway Park JF and Beaverton Script) to give the wordmark some depth. I saw this as a way to tribute the successes of the "Railmen" period and the Houston Buffs, while also sticking to the Astros' brand. The navy alternate features a navy cap and a wider tequila sunrise pattern since I didn't want to put a white outline on the design. Also, here is the set on the @jayjackson3 action templates! Since the board software doesn't allow Imgur album embeds, I've enclosed them in a spoiler tag: Now, the Astros can rock a proper neo-retro design that has both a unique colorway and a strong connection to the team's history. C+C is appreciated! P.S. Open the spoiler tag. They're a useful tool for eliminating page clutter. I'm going to be doing two alternate takes for the Astros. One cleans up a somewhat-maligned identity, while the other plays with a little alternate history. 1William F. Henderson, Game Worn Guide to MLB Jerseys: (1970–2017) Eighth Edition (Philadelphia, PA: Aardvark Publishing, 2017), 466.
  18. Thank you! I thought about the Broncos' font, but it seemed like a step too far. A (modern) block font kept the look a bit more grounded. I like to be sparing in my use of display fonts, and this seemed like a time to avoid one. The blue/green is enough to separate them from my other concepts. Thanks! You're right, the detailing on the train is a tad off. It needs more "stuff" on it to convey both perspective and detail. I've fixed it in the update. Thanks, guys! I figured a Canucks fan would like the color scheme. I'm adding a "D" logo to the green alternate, to mend this issue. The placket striping didn't jive with the asymmetrical stripes, so I left it off. Nope, just some minor fact-checking. I liked what you said, but I was unsure (because I couldn't find it in any official histories of the team). I was glad when I got confirmation! Thanks! I thought the font worked well with the whole Art Deco-like train iconography. I have a few friends from the area, and I've never gotten the impression of Denver as a "Western" city. It's too "modern" for that. While I like Kelly/Royal, I can see where you're coming from on the "teams that looked bad and lost a lot" point (you forgot the original Timberwolves, who also did a lot of losing). It's also not easy to get them to touch. I think you'll like my solution to the issue. The first update features train with more details, plus a new green alternate (images are in the spoiler tags). The next version illustrates the team in a new color scheme, mountain purple and powder blue! I've used similar color schemes for the Rockies before, and I wanted to get that excellent color scheme into my series somehow. C+C is appreciated! The Astros will be up in a bit!
  19. "Only 17 takes? You guys are amateurs."
  20. Thanks, guys! It's time for an alternate take! DENVER ZEPHYRS, PT. II - Blue and Green by way of Burlington A couple of months ago, I listened to the Q&A episodes of Basically a Sports Show. In the third episode (about 48-50 mins in), @infrared41 mentioned that Denver's AAA team rebranded as the Zephyrs to gain a "major league" identity. Doing a little research, it turns out that this was true. While I understand the attachment to the traditional Denver Bears name, the Cubs (who had penetrated the market somewhat, due to WGN) would have put the kibosh on it. The 1984-92 Zephyrs identity and Kelly Green/Royal Blue colorway (which lasted until about 2004 in New Orleans) was excellent, and it could have stood on the same footing as the major-league designs of the period. The name was also a strong one, as it was snappy (starts with "Z," has the "Zephs" abbreviation, and isn't too long) and fit with the city. The name came from the Denver Zephyr (run by the Burlington Northern Railroad), a train that ran from Chicago to Denver overnight from the 1930's-70's. While I don't mind "Rockies," "Zephyrs" sounds so much better to me. So, I decided to give it a proper modernization. The colors are Kelly and Royal, with the addition of silver-gray. Since the Denver Zephyr trains were silver-gray, it fit. Besides, those two colors make for classy identities. With the primary logo, I adapted my Rockies primary to fit with the train theme. Using this picture as a source, I drew a Denver Zephyr train to occupy the lower part of the logo (with some simplification). The font is a modified version of Insignia, which gave off an Art Deco vibe while still featuring a few serifs. The font underlines are contrast-colored, to get all three colors in the wordmarks. The cap insignia (with its silver streak in the middle) is the secondary, and the train on its own is the tertiary. The uniforms also modernize the Zeph's identity. Their colorway is Kelly Green-dominant, a unique look in the NL. The scripts feature contrast-colored underlines, and the NOB's (Rawlings Block, like the Orioles) use an inversion of the underline distribution. Uniform striping comes from my Rangers concept, as it worked well with the colors in the set. I modified the Tampa Bay Lightning's number font for this concept, as a modern block font worked better than my attempts to match the number font to the lettering. The alternates included both green and blue jerseys. The green top features the tertiary, and the blue alternate has blue accessories. The second set of alternates includes a few "interesting" looks. The first is a blue accessories version of the home uniform. The other one is my attempt to Zephyr-ize the 1952 Denver Bears "strike zone" uniform. I know that the "Z" doesn't look cursive (it's from Beaverton Script, while the rest of the font is modified Fenway Park JF), but cursive Z's aren't all that pretty. While the Rockies are cool and all, Zephyrs would have been amazing. Not only would it have been a nice blow against state names, but it fits with the region and allows for a cool color scheme (in more ways that one). C+C is appreciated! Up next, the Houston Astros!
  21. It was the same way with me for the Giants after 2010. I was content after that, and the other two were bonuses. I didn't have that same level of investment I had the first time around. I know that it makes me seem like I'm a bad fan or something, but just seeing the team I root for win one title would have satiated me for a long time. It was the same way with the Warriors, especially given how they netted their championship this year. Having the championship monkey off of your back allows you to relax, and not take sports with the same amount of gravity that you did before.
  22. Thanks! I thought about adding a lavender shade or a light purple tint to the road gray, but it stuck out too much. I think I'll try that in a later update, as a bit of an experiment. Anyway, here's the update with the Mountain Purple! I think that's much better.
  23. I think it's time we brought up the whole Red Sox-Yankees sign stealing issue, as both teams are accusing each other of tech-aided sign stealing. Just when I thought the whole Red Sox-Yankees rivalry was becoming passe...
  24. Thanks! I always liked when the Expos did Varsity Serif NOB's, and I figured the slab-serif would tie the whole look together. I'm not sure about the two-tone purple either. It was a recommendation made when I first posted the concept, and the more I look at it, the more I don't like it. Surprisingly, 2627 C is more of a proprietary color than the muted purple. The muted purple was the Anaheim Ducks' shade. I think it worked pretty well for the Ducks, and the muted look works for the Rocky Mountains. I'm going to offer update options at the end of the post. I didn't know that about the Chicago Athletic Club C being the Cubs' C. I just thought it was an Art Deco/Noveau design (like the Chicago Theatre's marquee). Thanks for that trivia! It was tough trying to keep the Colorado flag C apart from the Cubs' C, but the serif seemed to be the best way to go. It's what keeps the logo balanced enough to invoke the flag without reminding people of the Cubs. I'm glad the Rockies haven't flirted with flag imagery or gone all "Colorado Colorados" in their branding (the current New Jersey Devils showed why that's a horrible idea). The weed tourists should have decided upon a better piece of Colorado iconography. Thanks. I was iffy about the double purple as well, as it only really shows up in the primary logo and the secondary (on a white/gray background). I think you'll like the Zephyrs! Thank you! I'm in a bit of a bind with what I want for the Rockies. The mountains have to be purple (purple mountains majesty), while purple also has to be the primary color on white/gray backgrounds. I think I'm going to stick with one purple. I've explored adding two-tone gray, both Kelly and Forest Green, and a bit of powder blue, and none of them fit with my goals for the set. Also, @KittSmith_95, I think you'll like what I've done with the (Sting)Rays and the Marlins/Mariners earlier in the thread. Those teams are decidedly more green than they are at the moment. I think you'll both like the color scheme I have in mind for the Zephs. Thanks for spotting the QC error! I forgot to recolor the light purple elements when I exported my images. I thought about flipping the dark and light purple from that first concept, but it just looked too weird to me. I've done some tests with the logo sheet, one in the dark purple and the other in the muted purple! I'm leaning towards the muted purple, as I like the way it contrasts with the gray outlines.