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  1. Thanks guys! Thanks! I get how it could be seen as being a little too close to the crest, but I kind of wanted it that way. I thought the little barbs on the crest's outline and it's overall shape kind of called to mind a pirate aesthetic (the barbs even look like Jolly Roger bones). Those who don't know about the Pittsburgh crest would just think it's some "Pirate-y" image, while those can see the Pittsburgh connection would enjoy the reference. I couldn't get that same effect with a roundel or any other shield shape. I do agree with both you and @MJD7 that the logos inside it lack a little detail. I was trying to go for a look that would be easier to embroider, but a little more detail and fewer abstract ideas would improve it. I also tried it with more detailed skulls, but those were too hard to embroider/see from a distance. It also gave me too much of a Tampa Bay Buccaneers vibe for my liking. So, in my update, I'll be removing the tricorn hat and adding some details to the skull. I was a little worried about the overlap, even with different-proportioned keystones. I'd argue that both can use it, since they use it in different contexts (one is a visible primary, the other is a rarely-used tertiary). I've never been to Pittsburgh, but I'd love to go one day. It seems like it would a city that I would like (big but not too big, cool local culture, good university, etc.). I had a feeling that vests wouldn't be to everybody's liking. But hey, if one team can pull it off, it's the Pirates. I didn't want to use the Pirates' lettering for NOB's, because of size and legibility reasons. It's the same reason why I'm hesitant to use three-color NOB's. Thank you. I didn't really see a resemblance between the keystone and the primary shield, hence why I used both. I can see where you're coming from with the curves on the icons in the logo, but the borders of the shield and the bridge's detailing is curvy enough - which makes them work. The one-color mode also helps them follow the pattern set by the Pittsburgh crest (which I wanted to emulate). The lack of detail is, again, me trying to take embroidery/resizing into consideration. The Pirates' wordmark is like the Royals' wordmark, it's only there as a formality and less as an integral part of the logo. I like minimizing the amount of text. Putting the wordmark in the crest loses the "golden triange" imagery I wanted in the design. Thanks. I thought about that, but I wanted to match the gold eagle pattern on the Pittsburgh crest. While it may not be accurate, it worked for the design in that application. Anyway, here's an update with a more detailed skull and crossbats and a tricorn-free baseball. I think that's a bit better, while keeping the spirit of the design intact.
  2. Cubs: I agree with Admiral, but the brown/light blue also looks good. You nailed the color balance. Reds: I wouldn't change anything there, except for making the sleeve stripes slightly more consistent (i.e matching the pants stripes). Brewers: The stripe borders look good! It makes them all the more legible, Zephyrs: The consistency tweak helped out a lot. Good work. Pirates: Another good update, not much else to say. Cardinals: Leaving it unchanged was a good move. Braves: The set still looks a little too "bright" for my liking. I'd eliminate any instances where white and yellow touch on non-white backgrounds, or add small black outlines to separate yellow and white. Marlins: Good on you to drop the yellow hat. Expos: If you want to tackle Admiral's idea, I suggest swapping out all instances of royal blue with a darker powder (like that 299 C shade I always use). It would mean deleting the white outline from the road script, but that's a minor adjustment. I'd also add white outlines to the numbers, for legibility reasons. I still like the design, but these changes could put it over the top. Mets: Thank you for using my script! It looks good on your set. As for the consistency problem Coco mentioned, maybe remove the white outlines on the racing stripes? Phillies: The "P" logo makes a good stand-in for a "Philadelphia" script. Good work. Nationals: The outlines are good, and I'd like to see the flipped version of the home uniform. All in all, good work!
  3. PITTSBURGH PIRATES, PT. I - Invested in civic quirkiness The Pirates' uniforms don't have many problems, aside from overuse of the crummy black jerseys. The logos, on the other hand, oh boy. The Pirates have never had a primary logo that looked "timeless" (save for a non-outlined version of the cap insignia). The first logo was an illustration, the second one is one of crummiest "cartoon" logos I've ever laid eyes upon, the "Mel Gibson Pirate" is too detailed, the portrait logo is a tad dull, and the modern logo reeks of 1997. The Pirates need a primary that doesn't have an "expiration date" problem like those previous ones. So, I turned to civic iconography. I remember when @the admiral brought the idea to use the crest on the Flag of Pittsburgh as an alternate logo for the Penguins, Pirates, and Steelers. Here is his reasoning: While I didn't want to use the crest wholesale, I did find that the shield offered up an excellent opportunity to give the Pirates a logo with some "Pittsburgh" flavor. The Pittsburgh crest's shape and template formed the base of my new primary. Within the shape, I placed a gold jolly roger with bats (an homage to the Mel Gibson Pirate), a baseball with a tricorn hat, and the classic cap logo. The blue pattern remains at the center, as having logo colors that show up nowhere else on the uniform is a Pittsburgh quirk. I used an image of the Roberto Clemente Bridge instead of the black castle on top, as said bridge is in the backdrop of the PNC Park. It was also my way of incorporating a tribute to the Pirates' most iconic player, without trying to shoehorn "21" into the logo. The secondary is an outlined "P," and the tertiary is a keystone (both the Phillies and Pirates can share) with the crest's jolly roger, the blue pattern, and the date "1887." The uniforms are unchanged, except for one big alteration: they're now vests! These follow the classic cut, not that sleeveless crap the team wore from 2001-08. I've used classic-cut vests on the alternates for the Guardians, Stingrays, Oaks, and both Reds sets. Having vests for primaries can be another Pittsburgh quirk, albeit one that has a base in team history and looks good. It also gets their identity further away from the Giants. To accommodate for the different cut, NOB's are Block Condensed (like my White Sox concept and like what the A's did in the 1960's). I kept the number font, as I like it. The primary is on the sleeves, and the socks have the tri-stripe pattern of the 1960's and the pillbox caps. It works for the team, because of both history and the whole three rivers/Golden Triangle motif. The alternates are pretty standard. I put a cap on their usage, for obvious reasons. The gold vest features the tertiary on the undershirt sleeve (sold with the jersey, BTW) and a double placket stripe (with collar connections). The black jersey (not a sleeveless jersey or vest, unlike the Rockies) has single-color wordmarks, numbers, and NOB's. It's cleaner than the double outline and is consistent with the cap. These other two would appear only a couple of times a year. The Roberto Clemente Day uniform is my recreation of the 1970-76 home uniform, with the 1973 memorial patch. The other alternate is a pillbox hat (with matching batting helmet) that would appear once in a while. It's the only bit of the 1979 set that should ever see the light again. It also doesn't have Stargell stars in its base form. Stars could appear, but only at the player's discretion. With this new logo and uniform cut, the Pirates can honor civic iconography and their franchise's history in a way that looks good. C+C is appreciated! For the alternate take, let's black and yellow up the pre-1948 Pirates! P.S. the number models are Roberto Clemente, Dock Ellis, and Vern Law.
  4. Thanks! You're right, Pitching Billy Pen (I love that name) looks fantastic in Claret/Light Blue. I'm debating between these two color balances for an update: The one on the left is more consistent with the rest of the set, while the one on the right has better contrast but couldn't be used on the primary home/road uniforms (too much Light Blue). What do you guys think? I too have issues associating Sweden with Philadelphia. While part of that is because Sweden isn't talked about as colonial empire all that much (the Great Northern War isn't taught enough), another part of it is that Swedish Philadelphia has become overshadowed by German/English Philadelphia and the Swedish presence in the Midwest. Thanks! I like the minimalist stripes and the mismatch, so I think I'll keep them. The big stripes don't jive with the rest of the set, and the mismatch is OK because the "P" is not a jersey insignia. I can see where you're coming from, but those kind of changes don't mesh with the identity's character. You're right about the lighter shade being a bit easier on the eyes. The two shades do compete with each other in my original, and the lighter yellow fixes that. Thanks! You can see the contrasting stars in the image above. I'm surprised that Pitching Billy Penn has gone over so well. It took a bunch of tries to get it just right. I tried a straight-up drawing of the statue, an Independence Hall logo (from an old Sixers concept of mine), and a couple of scripts to get it right. I think I wound up with the best option. With the Pirates, I'm going to be doing something that'll probably be controversial. Don't worry, I'm not changing the black/yellow or dumping the font. I will, however, add a bit of "local character" to the design.
  5. Thanks, guys! Thanks. I can see where you're coming from with not liking the creme alternate. I actually like the way it blends, for some reason I can't put my finger on. I didn't want to give the Phillies a Claret or Light Blue jersey, as the Phillies went a long time without such an alternate. I respected that in a way, so I decided not to do it. However, here's a white version of the creme alt: I like that a little bit more. Thank you! I did think to have some larger striping, but I liked the minimalist look a little more. It's a leftover from the early stages in the concept, where I had no white outlines on the road script. I kept it for minimalism's sake. As for the Philadelphia script, I'm not sure I like it all stretched out at that percentage: It distorts the text, making it harder to read. Now you know why I'm not all that keen on a "Philadelphia" script (even though it could look good). As for the primary logo, I get the whole "odd read" thing that the outfield gives off. I've prepped two graphics with the diamond to illustrate your idea: Thanks! I too would love to see more American teams wearing the Claret/Light Blue combination. Heck, I've long maintained that the Avs could pull it off. Thank you! You're on the money with the colors, but be prepared for a few more surprises! PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES, PT. II - Blue and Yellow men of Penn It would not be a understatement to say that the first half of the 20th century was a bad time for the Phillies. The team was a perennial cellar-dweller in financial distress that played in a shack of a stadium. The team's visual identity was also in flux during this time, as they experimented with varieties of red and blue. In 1938, the team became tenants of the then more-successful Philadelphia Athletics. The Phillies also adopted a royal/yellow color scheme, to honor the New Sweden Tercentenary and the colors of Philadelphia's flag (based on the Swedish flag). They also recolored their logo, an image of the William Penn statue atop Philadelphia City Hall pitching a baseball in front of field. While this colorway lasted only a year in our timeline, what if the Phillies kept those colors around beyond that point? I decided to run with the 1938 identity. While they may have been a little close to the A's royal blue, the Phillies were wise to use copious amounts of yellow. Therefore, that was my color balance. I made the assumption that when William B. Cox and the Carpenter family bought the Phillies, they would have kept that color scheme and combined it with the "Whiz Kids" script, while adjusting the William Penn logo over time. I also assumed that there would have been a "swirly-P" period with these colors. This would be followed by a return to form, albeit one that was less ugly than the one we got. The primary logo features an image of William Penn throwing a baseball from atop City Hall. I placed Penn and the spire in a keystone shape, as Pennsylvania is the "Keystone State." While I know some may argue that the Pirates already use the keystone image, let's assume that the Phillies beat them to the punch (much like the Flyers did to the Penguins). I used a dark royal, to differentiate the team from the other royal/yellow teams I've done/will do. The uniforms are not that strange. I decided to experiment with a pinstripe-less look, instead opting for double stripes on the sleeves. The gray uniform has a light blue tint, as I thought it looked nice for this color scheme. The alternates feature a little bit of speculation. While the royal blue top is not all that fancy, the powder blue set is more interesting. It's my speculation on what the "swirly-P" set would have looked like in this color scheme/color balance. A recolored/keystone version of Phil and Phyllis appears. I went for a "Spirit of '76" vibe - beating out a "honor a complex figure in Pennsylvania's history" one. The "swirly-P" has been subbed out for the jersey "P," as the baseball seams did not play well with an outline. I also followed @the admiral's recommendation for Wilson Varsity Font for the uniforms, as I too don't like the old Phillies' custom font (and Wilson Varsity had precedent with the maroon Phillies identity). This was a fun way for me to reference the history of Philadelphia, without having to use American Revolution imagery. C+C is appreciated! Up next, we head to the other side of Pennsylvania for the Pittsburgh Pirates! P.S. This is a really cool article about how the Phillies rise coincided with the A's falling apart in Philadelphia because of the Mack family's squabbles/Connie Mack not having a clue when it came to quitting. They may have been the Spanoses of their day.
  6. Yikes. That really wouldn't fly. I guess go for an Elf in the style of @andrewharrington's avatar or a version of the football logo with a "C" that doesn't look like the Indians' "C."
  7. I like it! I've always loved the cursive script logo, and I like how you've handled the collar/sleeve/waistband striping in a way that preserves the OG Giants' character. I didn't think I'd like a cursive "San Francisco" script, but it looks really good! My one recommendation would be to make the "F" look more like a traditional cursive "F," but that's a minor nitpick. Well done! This whole series has been really impressive. While some may not be to my taste (i.e. Diamondbacks, Mariners, and Marlins), I still appreciate the craftsmanship that went into it. Your Astros concept is one of the few times I've found myself liking the slab-serif font, the Yankees were a fun break from tradition, and the Rays/Nationals were good modern takes on the 1970's aesthetic. I look forward to seeing what you'll do next!
  8. PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES, PT. I - The Burgundian Restoration of the Whiz Kids (guest starring powder blue)! I've done my fair share of Phillies concepts in the past. The first phase centered on my attempts to use the 1970-91 wordmarks and maroon (with powder) on the current template, to mixed results. My next period saw me try to reincorporate the Whiz Kids' wordmark and cap logo (based on Matt Malinoski's cleanup work - the versions on the Mothership are really rough-looking) alongside a dark red shade (and powder blue accents) with the big cuffs and sleeve numbers of the 1992-present uniforms. However, that just didn't do it for me. Reading some posts on the Phillies this year has gotten me to steer my concept in a different direction (thanks, @kroywen and @Gothamite): Of course, you'll get the whole "light blue was never a team color" argument. My response would be: "Make it a team color. Claret/Light Blue looks beautiful on many association football teams, and a close relative of that color scheme worked for the Avs (who should have had slate blue pants, not black)." Besides, the Phillies have come to realize that the two colors work well together, hence why they use both of them in their retro merchandise. I know that incorporating powder blue isn't to everybody's tastes (like @the admiral), but I've always liked minimal amounts of it. The colors are perhaps the largest departure from my previous sets. Instead of using the original maroon (which was too dark for my tastes) or a cardinal red (which was too desaturated), I opted for PMS 1955 C. This shade of Claret would be both distinctive and "lively." The Light Blue is PMS 299 C, as I needed the blue to show up on white/gray backgrounds. The result is a distinctive color scheme that packs just the right amount of saturated punch. The primary logo is a modified version of the Citizen's Bank Park logo, with the 1992-present Liberty Bell inside. The Liberty Bell is also the secondary, while the cursive script cap logo is the tertiary. I like the cursive more than the cursive-esque letter in the wordmark. It's a bit of retro charm. I've overhauled the Whiz Kids' typeface a little, for more consistent line weights. It's an effective modernization, without the rounded edges, big outlines, or poor kerning of the 1992 "uncanny valley" modernization. Here is a comparison. I did keep the blue stars, as they added a nice little "punch" to the mark. I also used a modified version of the Lobster font to create a matching "Philadelphia" wordmark. The uniforms are my idea of how to modernize the Whiz Kids' look. I dumped the sleeve numbers and engorged road stripes in favor of the Liberty Bell logo and thin trim on the gray jersey/pants. The number font is my attempt to clean up the 1950's-1960's block numeral variant, as I like its distinctiveness (the sans-serif "1" in particular). The Liberty Bell logo remains on the socks, and claret/red shoes return (the Reds are the only "red" team that can wear black cleats). The throwbacks are my take on the Phillies' current cream alternates. They now bear more resemblance to the 1946-49 uniforms, with the accessories matching the cap crown color and sock stripes. Claret is still the primary color, with Light Blue taking more of a secondary role in the outlines and on the caps. The primary is on the sleeves. This modernization of the Whiz Kids strikes a balance between cleanliness and vintage charm, avoiding the bulbous traps of the 1992 redesign. While Light Blue's integration may prove controversial, I think it adds a bit of extra "pop" to the identity. C+C is greatly appreciated! Because @the admiral requested it earlier in the thread (and I'm sure many of you want to see it), here is a road gray with the "Philadelphia" wordmark! I'm not too keen on it, but it's worth a shot. For the alternate take, the Phils get a civic twist!
  9. Thank you. Oh, the 1988-92 uniforms were bizarre! I'd never do that. That's akin to the Angels wearing a cursive script or the Cubs using Old English. I do admit that both of my options might be empirically better than the radial script, but I'm sticking with it. I know it'll make me come off as a hypocrite given my attack on the old "TC," but I've got a soft spot it (and for the pre-WWII Giants' look in general).1 Please do not take this as me being close-minded or anything of the sort, but rather as me expressing my preferences/unpopular opinion and having my arguments in favor of it (i.e. baseball Giants wore it, it's different enough from the Yankees' road uniforms, fits with the "split" of the Mets' identity, a mismatch can be the Mets' party trick, etc.). If it's good enough for Tom Seaver and Carl Hubbell, it's good enough for me! Thanks! I'm glad that the black and pink has some fans. Like with my Tigers' alternate take, it was an excuse to have some fun with an otherwise staid team. Pre-1930's baseball aesthetics are often wild compared to what we've come to expect. I'm a little disappointed that I didn't recreate the placket script or checked pattern of the Brooklyn Dodgers for this guy. Oh well, I'll save it for a Dodgers alt (the Dodgers shouldn't have colored jerseys). 1As far as the SF Giants are aware, the club's history begins with Willie Mays' call-up in 1951 with only a few mentions of anything before that point. It's better than how many relocated teams treat their history, but it's still not as "amazing" as some would claim. Heck, I'm probably the only Giants fan who wants a John McGraw statue outside AT&T Park.
  10. Well, why not use a different Brown as the namesake?
  11. I'm a little conflicted on it. While the white cleats are a good look for the Jets (especially with Kelly Green), it is kind of nice that it was a trademark of Namath and Namath alone.
  12. I'm going to have to disagree with that assessment:
  13. Thank you! I get why the scripts should be different styles, but I still prefer the radial style (as in I'm not replacing it). The font, color scheme, and template are enough separation for me. Besides, it's a little bit of commentary on how people perceive New York. From the outside, it's monolithic with minor differences. On the inside, it's more divided up. I know you can say the same thing about any city, but it's particularly true in New York.. I think you'll like what I do for the second part of the alternate take. If I do create jackets, you bet I'm using the interlocking "NY" on them! Thanks, guys! I have a feeling you'll both enjoy the second part of my alternate take. Thank you. The reason why the home alternate pants don't have pinstripes is that pinstriped pants look like ass when paired with solid-color jerseys. That's just personal preference on my part. Now, it's alternate take time! NEW YORK METS, PT. II - Black and Pink Panes This one is where I get a little silly. We're all aware by now that one of the Mets' original owners, Joan Whitney Payson, proposed a black and pink color scheme for the team because of her Greentree Stables' color scheme. When researching this concept, I found that black/pink wasn't unprecedented in New York's baseball history. The 1916-17 Giants used similar color schemes of black and violet/navy and violet. Since this color scheme coincided with their venture into the windowpane design, I opted to go down that route in the identity. The logos are the same tweaked ones from my main concept. I chose Rhodamine Red C as the pink shade, as it contrasted well with the black (the Calgary Hitmen are a testament to this). While it's not quite the same as the Greentree Stables' salmon color, it still stands out on black backgrounds and on white/grey backings. The uniforms feature a pink windowpane pattern against black scripts with pink outlines. Even the road uniform gets this treatment. Said road uniform also features my version of the 1987 script, with a 1993-94 "N" on it (created from the "M" in the "Mets" lettering). For that extra vintage punch, the socks have five stripes for each of the boroughs. The fauxbacks also play into the funkiness. The home uniform is my send-up of the 1905 Giants' all-black uniform, while the road set is a recreation of the 1933-35 Giants' road uniform. I figured it'd be fun to have at least one uniform in the series with black pants, and I like the semi-tribute to the milkman hats of 1997. I would never want this set to see the light of day, but I thought it was a fun experiment. Embracing my inner @Discrimihater (who has done his 1916 Giants-influenced uniforms as well) is always fun! C+C is appreciated. NEW YORK METS, PT. II Addendum - Road Script Editions Because people wanted to see it, I've prepared two variants on the road jerseys. The first is a combination of the 1987 script with a modified "M" from the home script (the WTMCB script was too bulky for these purposes), and the second is an arched Tuscan wordmark in the style of the 1947-57 Giants. I didn't use the Giants' actual wordmark, because it looked too much like the Pirates' font. In case you're wondering, the third button on the 1987 style would be a sub-placket piece. While I still like the radial script more, I think these are both excellent alternatives. Up next, the Philadelphia Phillies!
  14. Good work! Diamondbacks: The new sock stripe pattern looks fantastic. Rockies: While I normally don't like the Rockies' current fonts, your new color scheme has really improved them. There's less of a "Mile High White Sox" look to them. The new sock and sleeve stripes are also good. It's an upgrade. Aces: I'm glad you kept the harlequin design. I still want to see the far right or center left "Las Vegas" script on the road jersey, but that's personal preference. Dodgers: I like the colored belt loops. Padres and Giants: They're good as-is. I would like to see an asymmetrical stripe pattern for the Padres to better reflect the drop shadow (and eliminate the floating stripes), but that's personal preference. I'm looking forward to your next round of updates.
  15. Thanks! I always like doing the little stuff in my tweaks. I'm dumping the NY in the update in this post. It does clutter the logo up too much. As for the bolded point, I'm not too keen on the 1987 wordmark. It didn't match the home script nearly as much as people think it did. The "N" looks like it belongs to a different cursive font: Heck, the 1993-94 script looks more like the home script (especially my modified version). Of course, since that mark carries the "Worst Team that Money Can Buy" stigma, I didn't want to use my modified version of it for the main concept. However, I'm using it in my alternate take. The NOB's use the standard block font, as I don't like the look of block condensed for teams with one outline. When I get to the Cardinals, I'm bringing back the Rawlings block NOB's (like they used in the 1960's and like what the Orioles use now). Thanks Gothamite! Your posts were a big inspiration for the many fixes in the set. The interlock was an interesting experiment, but I don't think it worked nearly as well as I thought it did. My revision (and the alternate take) will delete it. Without further delay, here is the revision!
  16. I'd much rather have a portrait of Paul Brown be the logo. Or, to differentiate them from the original Browns, have it be a portrait of Jim Brown.
  17. Merci! I'm going to add knobs to the paddles in the update. That'll be better. Thanks. I had a lot of fun with this one. That odd French Canadian aesthetic is fun to tap into, and it's something many people miss when trying to do concepts for Quebec teams. Milwaukee Voyageurs is a good name for a hockey team, and is certainly more appropriate for the region than "Admirals." It would also be better than "Golden Eagles," but that's a can of worms I don't want to open. "Francois, let that one go, he has spirit. Someday he might be vice president." I enjoy my fair share of Kids in the Hall. Heck, I can't hear a Doors song on the radio without imagining Bruce McCulloch’s angry record store owner. Well, it's time to Meet the Mets! NEW YORK METS, PT. I - A Giant batch of tiny fixes. The Mets have a fantastic set of logos and uniforms, but many an error has crept into their identity. These problems aren't so much the result of incompetence (cringe and be happy no news reporter pointed a camera at ICS following the Sharks' 2014 playoff exit), as it is a symptom of working with multiple manufacturers and early 1990's versions of Adobe Illustrator. Things like the "M" in the script getting a weird center part, the bulbous outlines on the wordmark, and the disappearance of the Williamsburgh Savings Bank Building from the skyline. There are also little alterations that have degraded the set, like the 1993-present cap logo (which looks terrible with an outline) and the removal of the "NY" from the primary mark. I set out to fix these errors. The primary logo gets its "NY" back, while the Williamsburgh Savings Bank Building returns. I also corrected the outlines on the wordmark. Here is a comparison. With the cap logo/secondary, I've used the 1962-92 cap logo to bring more of a baseball Giants-esque flair to the identity. It's thinner, wider, and now interlocks when outlined (like the insignia on the Polo Grounds' chairs). I didn't want to go all the way with the asymmetry of the pre-1947 Giants cap logo, but I wanted it to have its basic proportions/outline support. I've got a comparison of the insignias with and without an outline. Mr. Met is the tertiary. The uniforms receive a similar set of minor fixes and baseball Giants influence. The home uniform features @Gothamite's fixed "Mets" script (thanks, Gothamite), while the road uniform uses a new Tuscan wordmark. This mark features the same updated Tuscan font from my Red Sox concept, which is a bit more graceful/less "woodcut" than Wilson's Tuscan letters. It also brings the set closer to the uniforms of the 1930's Giants. I've got a comparison here. The blue jerseys no longer have a dumb alternate hat. They also feature Mr. Met (a nice touch) and "Snow White" pants at home (a way to tribute that set and avoid the ugly pinstripe+softball top look). The Vintage Day outfit is a faux back to the 1916 Giants' window pane uniforms. It features an eight-panel cap, the 1933 Giants' sock stripes, and Wilson Varsity font. It's a way to homage one of my favorite pre-1930's baseball uniforms and incorporate more of the Giants into the Mets' identity. Through these tiny tweaks, the Mets can clean up the accumulated errors in their set and look a little more like the baseball Giants (which is important, given the "balance" between the Giants and Dodgers in the Mets' identity - a sports Punnett square). C+C is appreciated, as always! For the alternate take, I put a pre-1930 spin on the black and pink! P.S. The models use number 69 is for the 1969 World Series and number 20 for Monte Irvin.
  18. Nope, this would be their proper road hat.
  19. Here's the alternate take! MONTRÉAL VOYAGEURS, PT. II - Red Toque Time (Here's a little video of a living history performing describing the life of a voyageur. That channel, Townsends, is one of my favorites on YouTube. Watch their stuff!) While I was reading Jonah Keri's excellent book, Up, Up, & Away, I came across a passage that described the naming of the team. While I wanted to do the Royals, the specter of Bill 101 would prevent that from coming up. Montréal Royaux, while unique, wasn't to my liking. I prefer names that end with "s." So, I opted to bring out Les Voyageurs! This team, named after the French Canadian fur traders who canoed their goods through both New France and Illinois, would inspire pride from French Canadians and be Bill 101-friendly. I kept the red/blue color scheme of the Expos (I can't imagine a Montréal team without that color scheme). The two colors are co-dominant, because of the iconic red toque hats of the voyageurs. I tried green and red for the team (akin to the Parti canadien flag), but it gave off too much of a Santa vibe. French Canadian aesthetics of the late-1960's/early-1970's were weird, but not that odd. The logo is my attempt to capture that "weird French Canadian-ness." I modded my shield logo to feature a canoe with oars at the top (like the Montréal crest) and to feature the new cap insignia. This design features simple lines that depicted a bearded Voyageur with his red toque. I drew inspiration from both the Nordiques' igloo crest and the Montréal Alouettes' logo from the period. In his beard, I've hidden an "M" and "V" (depending on how you look at it). The tertiary is a roundel, with the canoe on a river and the voyageur above it. The uniforms are similar to my Expos set, albeit with a different color balance. The hats are now red-crowned, for the red toques of the voyageurs. They still have royal bills, so that I can have royal wordmarks/undershirts/belts. The socks, front numbers, and NOB's are red-dominant, for contrast. The scripts feature Tuscan/Tiffany-style letters, as an homage to the Montréal Royals. I wanted to put a little tribute in the main set somewhere. The Voyageur is the cap logo. The alternates are red and blue softball tops, with color balance flips for each application. I put the roundel on the red top, as a little means of differentiation. The second set of uniforms are special events sets. The Jackie Robinson Day outfit homages the 1946 Montréal Royals' home uniform. The Canada Day/SJB Day jersey is an adaptation of my Expos design. This concept was a fun little experiment in trying to tap into French Canada's history and the aesthetics of late 1960's/early 1970's Quebecois aesthetics. C+C is greatly appreciated. Up next, we Meet the Mets! 1 Jonah Keri, Up, Up, and Away: The Kid, the Hawk, Rock, Vladi, Pedro, Le Grand Orange, Youppi!, the Crazy Business of Baseball, and the Ill-Fated but Unforgettable Montreal Expos (Toronto: Vintage Canada, 2015), 14-15.
  20. Thanks for the C+C guys, I appreciate it! Thank you! I thought you'd like the shield, as I am one of the few people here who remembers that Nordiques concept you made here a few years ago. I had a feeling I wouldn't be winning you over on the new cap logo. Still, I've taken you comments (small fleur-de-lis and odd curves) to revise my logo to both better match the curved serifs of the typeface and to look a bit more natural. I've also promoted the shield to primary logo/uniform patch status, as I do think it's a nice way to set the French Canadian Team apart. If you're worried about the road jersey of the Cubs, don't be. I'll be sticking to the 1958-68 style, albeit with a few modernizations (i.e. new patches, a rounded block NOB, etc.). Since I'll use a normal gray shade and no white in the stripes, it'll be different enough from these Expos. Thanks! I caught that little blooper, and I've fixed it in the update. Here is the update, with the new "M" logo, fleur-de-lis, and the promoted tertiary logo! I also removed the fleur-de-lis from the "M" on the shield, for clarity's sake and to remove redundancy. It still has the script "M's" character, while also looking more natural and fitting in with the Montréal typography. I'm going to get the alternate take up later today. Here's a little hint: both the Expos and the Minnesota Wild rejected this name.
  21. Those are my favorite navy Padres uniforms, except for one thing: the typography. The drop shadow looks nasty, the curve is a bit messy, and the color scheme doesn't necessitate double outlines. The road uniforms were similarly flawed: The road greys also had a mismatched script. A faux-cursive or cursive "San Diego" wouldn't be too hard to pull off. If the Padres returned to navy and orange, they would need to perform some cleanup.
  22. Thanks! I originally wanted to put the flamingo-F on the road script, but it seemed like a little much (images in the spoiler tag). You think the Cubs blowing it to the Flamingos would be ignominious? Imagine the Giants losing the World Series to the Angels (freshly out of their Disney phase), and then losing to the Flamingos in the NLDS the next year. I'd have grown up a whimsy-hating ass. I'm thinking about implementing a "Philadelphia" script somewhere in the Phillies set, but I'm more often than not against the Phillies wearing their city name on the road. The team name implies the city name and "Philadelphia" is too many letters for a straight cursive script. Thanks! I wanted to bring in the palm tree, if only because it fits with the whole '90's/resort aesthetic. I decided not to go with pink socks because the Marlins used black socks during their teal-centric phase. It was a decision to keep with period conventions. Still, I've got a pink socks version ready to go. Thank you. I'm surprised at how well the pink pinstripes worked. I thought it'd be a disaster, but it looks surprisingly good with the right treatment (i.e., white outline on the wordmark and numbers). I'll do a quickie palette swap of the Snakes in my next round of revisions. The black keyline sounds like a good idea, and I'll incorporate it in the next update. I was hesitant at first because of the black beak on the bird, but a black keyline could make it "pop" more (and it'd be period-correct - look at the original Carolina Panthers' first logo). Now, the main feature! MONTRÉAL EXPOS, PT. I - Le retour de Nos Amours, avec modernisationes. Expos nostalgia is in right now, and what better way to join in on the fun than by sketching up my take on the club! Just a forewarning, this concept will be a bit controversial. While I would not change the name of the team (as it's Bill 101-friendly), I did want to design a new primary/cap logo. I have never been a fan of the Expos' "classic" logo. The "Meb"/"eMb"/"blob M" is a terrible logo that tries to do too much. I'll let @Gothamite sum up my sentiments (I even posted in that thread): I hold that the "eMb" should have departed in 1992 when the team redesigned (to fit in with the whole "grown-up" subtext of that look). While a reborn Expos team would almost certainly bring back the "eMb" (much to @the admiral's delight, and he does make good arguments for the "eMb"), I opted to go a different path. @Ice_Cap outlined a perfect strategy for my new take: So, I got to work on that approach. My early work was less than successful, but then I saw @TheGiantsFan's hand-drawn concept that combined a style of lettering inspired by "old Montréal" architecture with the '92-'04 scripts (my favorite look for the team). I took that direction, with an "M" that combines the sharp Gothic edges with the curves of the old road wordmark (rendered to look less like the Mets' "M"). I placed the fleur-de-lis (from my Browns concept) at the center of the insignia, blending it into the letter. It's a logo that has a bit of that loopy/curvy character of the "eMB," while representing a legible "M" and the iconography of French Canada. Also, thank you @Ice_Cap and @MJD7 for the consult. You guys were a big help. I placed the crest in a roundel for the primary logo, with the asymmetrical stripe from the uniforms and a new font (Batesina Athletica) that homages the "old Montréal" aesthetic. The tertiary is a riff on the crest and flag of Montréal. It also includes the city logo. The colors are the same shades the old Expos used, but I made sure that the color balance was royal-white-red. A team that props itself up on Quebec imagery should not have red be the primary color of scripts/numbers. While it may bring them a little too close to the Cubs, my Cubs concept will have a redder identity (red outlined in white on blue backgrounds). The uniforms are a modernized take on the '92-'04 set. The striping goes blue/white/red on the sleeves, pants, and socks. I evened the width of each stripe, to better homage to the Tricolour. The fleur-de-lis is at the center of the stripe, as a slightly modern touch. I redid the scripts to add a bit more "flair" to them and clean up the "jammed" home wordmark (comparison here). I kept the fleur-de-lis as the accent mark, which I liked on the originals. The primary logo is on the sleeves, and the number font is Varsity Classic A (my go-to block with serifs font). The road uniforms now have a powder blue-tinted road grey, as a tiny homage to the team's powder blue road uniforms. The alternates are royal blue recolors of the primaries. I added the tertiary to the sleeve of the home alt, as a little "civic homage." The second set of alternates were my excuse to modernize the pinwheel hat. I paired it with the home uniform, as well as an event set. This jersey homages the original Expos uniforms and features the tertiary logo alongside the Canadian Flag and the Drapeau du Québec on the sleeves. This arrangement fits with the Canadian flag regulations. It would show up on both Canada Day and Saint-Jean-Baptiste Day (the patron saint of French Canadians). That way, no French Canadians get alienated. While I may get roasted over the coals for dumping the "eMb," I'd like to think I've made a classy alternative to that crummy logo. It's a look that balances the team's history with modern baseball aesthetics and civic iconography. They'd still have all of the character of the old Expos (whoop-whoop home run siren, bilingual announcements, songs, etc.), but paired with a more legible insignia. C+C is greatly appreciated, as always! For the alternate take, what if the team didn't pick the name "Expos" in 1968? P.S. The numbers are for Andre Dawson, Tim Raines, Tim Wallach, and Expo '67 (the namesake of the team).
  23. Congrats on finishing the series! I like how you've handled the navy and copper in the striping pattern (thanks for the shout out) and on the scripts (which do go together pretty well). The dark copper grey road uniform is really pretty. My one recommendation would be to either eliminate the white outlines on the cap logos/navy and gold tops, or to add outlines to the sock and sleeve stripes. It's just a little bit of consistency. I look forward to the final updates, and I'm curious to see how you'll tweak some teams.
  24. Thanks! I've made a better version of that same idea: I had to crank up the saturation/darkness of the light blue, so it showed up better on white and grey backgrounds (i.e. doesn't need white outlines). I'm also more inclined towards giving the Rays a more modern block font, like I did here. Block Standard is a fantastic font (and Wilson Varsity is also good for some teams), but it gets kind of boring seeing it so often.