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  1. I would agree. Purple and orange work really well on their own and I've always loved the "sunburst" design on the shorts, but I do agree with @FinsUp1214 that the fonts could be made a bit more consistent. Something like this beauty by @mbannon92, perhaps? Give it a bit more of a Southwestern flair, and you'd have a look that's both classy and distinctive.
  2. When you put it like that, the "curly W" doesn't sound so bad. It's clearly been "reclaimed" and "redeemed" because of its association with the return of baseball to the District of Columbia. It's kind of like the Mets using the baseball Giants' "NY" logo format. Also, the Nationals reverse-engineering their identity around the logo really did help it out (it'd be even better with that usused "Nationals" script). I suppose this is what happens when you don't know the inner workings of a fanbase. You've changed my mind somewhat in regards to the logo.
  3. They kind of did stick with it, in a way. It was the 1956 change that saw the debut of the all-navy cap with an outlined "StL" logo, and it was the first time the Cardinals used a cursive script on their uniforms (something they've done ever since).
  4. The same as any previous Washington baseball logo, namely its connection with perennial failure and teams that relocated: The first Senators team may have had the best pitcher of the pre-WWII era play for their team (Walter Johnson), but his career was a small part of a larger period of terrible teams. It doesn't help that Calvin Griffith (the guy on the right of the left picture) relocated the team because he didn't want African-Americans at his games (I'm oversimplifying a little here). The second Senators team (the source of the curly W) had only one winning season, and their owner performed a big swindle to get them out of the market. If anything, the curly W should be associated with killing baseball in the District of Columbia for over thirty years. The "DC" logo or the sharp-serif "W" logo are both steps in a good direction. They're a sign of renewal, a symbol of real change for baseball in the area. That's the why the curly W, and the block W, should be left in the past.
  5. Sure, but there's a better color balance and letter form that doesn't look nearly as dated. The "M" from that beautiful "Minnesota" road script in white, outlined in red. It's unique (cursive cap letter M), and it looks good!
  6. Ah. But still, whenever I see serifs like that, my mind goes right to Copperplate. I like the cap logo better than the curly W (and I'd like to see the team wearing a de-beveled version of it), that's for sure, but I like the "DC" even more. Each of the Washington, D.C. baseball teams having their own distinctive cap logo is an idea I can get behind. The first team had the block W, the second team had the curly W (after a brief flirtation with the block W), and the current team having the new-style W and/or DC logos. There's also the "Washington Padres" option, which looks a bit too 1970's-kitsch for my liking:
  7. Scott Rogers, a Uni-Watch.com reader, recreated the bevel-W: Here's another link. It's way too Copperplate-y for my liking.
  8. Here's a picture of him wearing the prototype road uniform.
  9. Well, here's the next one! ANAHEIM ANGELS, PT. I - Refining the Red and Gold This is a minor update of a concept I've presented in my Tweaks thread. The same things I talked about there apply to this concept. These include the swapping of gold and navy's place in the color scheme, the return of thicker striping on the uniforms, and the @davidmiller5-inspired primary logo. However, I decided to go about the name a little differently. While I've defended "Los Angeles Angels" as a name in the past (Anaheim is a suburb of LA - albeit a culturally-distinctive one, LA Angels is an old PCL team name, the pun in the name, etc.), I saw the light with "Anaheim Angels." The PCL Los Angeles Angels already have tributes in the form of the Angels' name and the Dodgers' cap logo, the Anaheim Ducks have been around for nearly 25 years without complaints (save for the stupid "Mighty" stuff), the "Anaheim Angels" won the 2002 World Series (thanks a bunch, Dusty), and both Dodgers and Angels fans hate the "Los Angeles" identifier. So, Anaheim makes a return! I added an "OC" logo (inspired by the Ducks' Stadium Series logo - something I wish they'd put on their uniforms somewhere). BTW, if you want to complain about how the Angels should be the Los Angeles Angels because "Anaheim is a suburb to a huge metropolitan area," I point you in the direction of the Brooklyn Dodgers and Brooklyn Nets. The uniforms are unchanged from the previous concept (still red-centric, with gold as a secondar color and navy as the halo color), except for the addition of a de-beveled version of the 2002-03 "Anaheim" wordmark. It's a way to hammer in the new location name and eliminate ambiguity. The alternates have a bit more done to them. The home/road alternate now features the "OC" patch instead of an "LA" patch, and the PCL Angels-inspired UCLA stripes have been flipped in color distribution (the originally looked too bright). The 1971 retro set now features more accurate color shades. There wasn't too much to this update, but I think it's a fun little way to give the Angels a look that's more unique in the league (read my original post for my justifications) and to further the "Anaheim" branding. C+C is greatly appreciated, as always! For my alternate take, I do my take on the navy/red Angels!
  10. My suggestion would be to pair that navy/red hat with red undershirts, belts, socks, and shoes on both the home and road uniforms. The red cap wouldn't be necessary, but it'd be a solid alternate look. With the navy/red hat and red undershirts, belts, socks, and shoes on both home and road uniforms, they can throw back to the 1995-2001 glory days, look different from the Twins, Angels, and Reds, and keep within the "visual continuity" of the franchise.
  11. The Indians only play the Reds a couple of times a year, and I don't think the Ohio Cup is nearly as contentious as the "Freeway Series" or "Subway Series" (correct me if I'm wrong). Compare that to nearly 20 games against the Twins. Besides, with a navy/red-billed cap and cursive scripts, they'd be different enough.
  12. Because it looks really good (minus Wahoo and the wishbone-C, of course)! Heck, red has basically been (and has recently returned) as the dominant color of the home uniforms. Just carry this color distribution over to the road uniforms (think the road uniforms of the 1992-2012 St. Louis Cardinals), and they'd be different enough from the Twins. A red cap wouldn't be necessary, but it'd be a good alternate.
  13. That wouldn't be a bad starting place for a new identity. Sure, I'd rather red be the main color instead of navy (because differentiation from the Twins is more important than differentiation from the Angels), but it's a logo that carries historical weight and looks beautiful! Heck, it could even support outlines and the addition of feathers. It's a million times better than the ugly "Caveman/Primitive Cultures" C that gets trotted out by members here (a logo second only to the "star trident" and the "maple leaf" as one of the worst cap logos in baseball history).
  14. ...and people wonder why The Best Fans in HockeyTM are fleeing the fanbase. This was the perfect opportunity to reset the franchise, but no. The team screws it up by keeping the one veteran who was hard-headed enough to play with a shredded knee. It's an appropriately stupid move for a stupid franchise. Sometimes, I wish ICS resurfaced to have a freakout about these things. We could finally see what years worth of roadkill meat consumption will do to a (already unstable) human mind.
  15. Thanks guys! It was tough trying to do what I wanted with the set while keeping it within the confines of a "early/mid-00's" aesthetic. I thought about thick, multi-shaded stripes on the sleeves and socks, but such elements were on their way out in the early/mid-00's and they kind of distracted from the beveling of the scripts. It's fun trying to get inside the head of designers from specific periods and see what trends were on their way in and out. I gotta give a shout out to @Lights Out again here. His work with the "Black Jays" showed me that the set was not beyond redemption, and I'd like to think that I built upon Lights Out's "salvage" efforts. Now, some updates! Tampa Bay Toronto I fixed up the Blue Jays' Canada Day and powder blue uniforms (suggested by @BenD and @coco1997), and redid the stingray's eyes to be more rounded (recommended by @MJD7). As for the AL West teaser: Feel free to speculate! Up next, the Anaheim (I've finally come around to the name) Angels!
  16. So, since Photobucket decided to get pissy with charging $400 per month for embedding images in websites, will the images be moved to a new hosting service (imgur, flickr, etc.)?
  17. Thanks! I would make the excuse that the original set used the white text, but instead, I'll fix it in the updates. Thank you. On the first point, I'm going to fix that in the update as well. It'll help balance out the blue and red on the set. As for your second point, here we go! TORONTO BLUE JAYS, PT. II - Salvage Operation: The Black Jays It's no secret that the Blue Jays' 2004-11 identity is an anomaly in their history. While it wasn't necessarily a bad look, it was a look unbecoming for a team with the history of the Blue Jays. The dropping of "Blue" from the script and the switch to a black-dominant color scheme with two grays instead of multiple blues (closer to real Blue Jays) were both mistakes. Compounding these errors were the crummy italicized Crillee number font and the merging of the jay and the script. The 2008 redesign of the road uniform brought along a better number font (Agency with bevels), but the wordmark became bland and the maple leaf patch appeared. However, that doesn't mean that the set is irredeemable. Take it from @FinsUp1214: I set about tweaking the "Black Jays" set to both bring it in line with the Jays' visual continuity and make it look like the plausible result of a circa 2002-04 redesign/tweak (i.e. the Padres, Nationals, Devil Rays, Marlins, and Diamondbacks). I drew a lot of inspiration from @Lights Out's Black Jays tweaks (the Blue Jays' script being two-layered, reinstatement of double blue, and the Agency font), but I brought it more in line with the visual continuity of the Blue Jays' identity. The cartoon Blue Jay logo is now the primary focus of the identity, with double-blue highlighting (and a third blue in the eye - all of which fit with the multi-blue trend of the time, see the Dallas Mavericks and Memphis Grizzlies) and the leaf logo from the current set. It still exhibits the "x-treme" style that was popular in the early/mid-2000's of cartoon design and aesthetics, but it no longer looks out of place in the Jays' logo timeline. Black and the two grays are now minor accent colors. The uniforms now have blue caps, undershirts, socks, and belts. The "Blue" part of the Blue Jays script has sharper serifs (to fit with the "Jays" script), and the jay logo takes its place underneath the script on both uniforms. I italicized the beveled Agency numbers (traced from Bill Henderson's Game Worn Guide to MLB Jerseys and simplified to remove extra outlines), as I liked the italics of the original set (just not in Crillee).1 I used the Canucks' Agency NOB font. I wanted to have thick sleeve stripes and sock stripes with the various blue shades and black/gray, but a mid-2000's redesign wouldn't have used either. There are two blue alternates, one for home use and one for the road (something the Twins did from 2000-2008/9). While I wanted to use an alternate cap somewhere here, I decided against it as the Jays only had one cap style for most of the "Black Jays" period (save for the graphite home cap in 2004). I swapped around the bevel colors to highlight the light blue. I decided to reduce the black top to a home alternate, much like how the A's did with their 2008/2009-10 black alternate. It's one less batting helmet to carry around on the road, and it maximizes the exposure of the then-popular style of alternates at home. The script remains blue, so the name "Blue Jays" doesn't look too out of place on it. The Canada Day set gains a red hat. The "Black Jays'" set had a bunch of potential, but the team went too far in divorcing it from the team's visual history. However, with a few tweaks, it can fit better with the rest of Jays' looks. It's still a look that screams early-mid '00's, but at least it's a better take on that visual style. Happy Canada Day! Up next, a couple of minor updates and an AL West teaser! 1William F. Henderson, Game Worn Guide to Mlb Jerseys: (1970–2015) Seventh Edition (Philadelphia, PA: Aardvark Publishing, 2015), 2793.
  18. It isn't the right move. It's time to move on to the next era of Sharks hockey, one without the stigma and slow pace of the old guys sticking around. The stories of "Jumbo" Joe Thornton playing through a shredded knee might be romantic to some, but to me it speaks to the stagnation of the Sharks' organization. I'll miss them, sure, but the time to part ways should have come a while ago (i.e. right after the reverse-sweep, as part of a mega-rebuild).
  19. Thanks for the C+C guys, I appreciate it! Now, onto one of the more boring entries in the series, and a special concept for tomorrow's holiday (Canada Day!) TORONTO BLUE JAYS, PT. I - How does one improve upon perfection? When the Blue Jays unveiled their current set in November 2011, they gained one of the best uniform sets in baseball. It was a near-perfect modernization of the 1989-96 uniforms, with all of the good details from that set preserved and updated (in a better way than the 1997-2002/2003 set). However, there were some minor quibbles with those uniforms. The navy outlines on the road uniform, the lack of letter splits in the "Toronto" part of the primary wordmark, and the lack of a white front panel cap anywhere in the set (which has since been fixed). I set about amending these minor errors in my Project 30 concept, although I was less than successful (using the old colors instead of the current ones, which are far more eye-pleasing). I enlarged the split-letter "Toronto" part of the primary logo. I also added a new tertiary logo, the split-letter "T" in front of the team's maple leaf icon. It's an idea that's been used for Maple Leafs concepts (including my own), and I thought it was the best route to take for a location-based logo for the team. Besides, it's also a tribute to the International League Toronto Maple Leafs baseball team (which predates the hockey team, funny enough - this might be a fun experiment for an alternate history thread). All uniforms receive the dual-stripe motif on the socks to really tie the whole split letter/dual stripe theme together (something I did in Project 30) The navy outline is off of the road wordmark. I used the Jays' one retired number (Hall of Famer Roberto Alomar) for the model. The alternates are where I differed from my original concept. Instead of two blue alts, there's now only one (with the alternate logo, to have one city signifier). The white front panel cap would always be paired with the alternate at home. Said cap also makes an appearance with the regular home uniform as an alt. The special alternates, modeled with #67 (for the Confederation of Canada), are not unprecedented in team history. The Canada Day uniform is a mere update of the 2012 version (complete with "Canada" NOB's), with a white front panel cap (so the leaf doesn't blue with the hat). They can do Canada Day without being stupidly gaudy. The alternate logo graces the right sleeve, to highlight their location within Canada. The powder blue alternate is meant to be worn on the road about once a month, as an excuse to wear the white front panel cap on the road/remind people that the Jays and maybe the Phillies/Royals were the only teams that looked good in powder blue. The Blue Jays already have a top-5 look in the majors, but with a little tweaking, they can look even better! C+C is greatly appreciated, as always! For the alternate take, a revisit on a controversial look!
  20. My idea was to go Eagles' midnight green/deep pink/light blue. If any team can get away with feckin' pink in their color scheme, it's the Marlins. I like the "rainbow + black" idea too. I never got the appeal of teal/black/silver, as it's way too early-1990's for my taste. Not every team can be like the Hornicats and find a way to make a 1990's color scheme look contemporary. But how would the team present a Marlin in their logo set? I'd go for something like the SB Nation logo, or some Art Deco-influenced depiction of a marlin.
  21. The Cardinals should reinstate the navy road cap and belts, but only if they add a red bill to the hat. That would not only tie it in with the 1940-55 cap, but it would also add a nice dash of color in the same way the red hat does now. The all-navy hat is too drab, while the all red hat is too bright when paired with the road uniforms. This is the perfect "happy medium." Also, the red hat should always be the home cap. It's a nice cap that's been a symbol of the team's post-Musial identity (through their classic-styled sets and the pullover/sansabelt/powder blue zaniness).
  22. Thanks! I thought about making the eyes more rounded, but it just didn't look right to me. Besides, there are plenty of sharp edges elsewhere in the identity (letter serifs, tail ends, etc.), so I think it looks OK. I'll try out some rounded eyes when I come back around for an update (for after I finish a division). Thank you for your help earlier. I figured that the 1935/36 changeover would probably be the most plausible point for the Yankees to shift their visual identity. The Ruth-DiMaggio transition, the pinstripes/navy only having about 22 years of "brand equity" (or the 1930's equivalent) and the shift towards more "modern" looks (cursive scripts, additions of accent colors to previously monochrome teams, etc.) all played into this timeline. Ha! I was thinking more along the lines of a partnership with Big Daddy GM. Heck, the colors I picked even look like several colors for the Corvette C2 Stingray - my favorite generation of the 'Vette (Goodwood Green and Marina Blue). Also, Y'all should be watching Regular Car Reviews. The guys behind it are good writers, balancing history, literary theory, and sociology with some freaky humor. I think you'll be in for a little surprise. Well, onto the Rays' alternate take! TAMPA BAY RAYS - Salvaging the double blue and the "Ray of Light." It's no secret that I think the "Ray of Light" is a bit stupid. While I don't dislike it as much as I used to, they could look so much better. The "Ray of Light" logo doesn't look that good on its own, the scripts are a crummy Times New Roman variant, the Devil Ray is still on the sleeve, and they're still navy-centric in a league with too many navy teams. While the fauxback is a nice flash of whimsy, it's still a ripoff of the 1976-79 Padres (as a New Historicist, I find this a poor attempt to imitate the uniqueness of the wild 1970's baseball identities). With the Columbia Blue (albeit slightly darker than their current shade) and Yellow, they could have a unique look in the majors (and all of the Big Four, because the Spanoses are a bunch of dicks) that conveys the "Ray of Light" theme (as has been noted on the MLB Changes thread). Columbia Blue and two yellows (light from the Rays, and dark from the Miami Heat) are now the dominant colors, with navy relegated to an accent color (to keep the brightness from getting too out of hand). I kept the font from the Stingrays concept, as I felt it also worked with the "rays" theme. All of the lettering (scripts and numbers) have an alternating stripe pattern, inspired by @raysox and @bohob's excellent concepts. The primary logo is a nine-pointed star behind a baseball, representing the "Ray of Light" theme without an imbalanced logo. The uniforms now feature the "solar gradient" pattern in the thick sleeve and pants stripes, as well as on the socks, scripts, and cap logo. I kept the NOB's (in a bold version of the Orioles' font) one-color, for legibility. The primary logo now graces the sleeve instead of an inappropriate Devil Ray logo. The Columbia Blue is now the primary cap, undershirt, belt, and sock color. Both alternates feature a gold-billed cap. The home alternate has a white and light yellow script, to stand out on a dark yellow background (with corresponding changes to the cap logo). The road alternate features the "Tampa Bay" wordmark (because it should have more presence in the brand). There are no Columbia Blue pants, as it looked terrible. Now, the fauxbacks. Going into this, I asked myself "What would be a plausible 'wacky' design that could have come from the mid-late 1970's?" It then hit me to use UCLA-style stripes (which have precedence in baseball), gold-crowned caps, contrasting sleeves, and white shoes. I used Cortez (a font designed in 1977 by Philip Kelly), which looked appropriately-1970's without ripping another team off (even if it's a little similar to the 1977-86 Mariners). The sun is the backing for the front numbers. Now, they can have a fun fauxback set that is both original and time-appropriate! If the 2D templates don't convince you, I have action templates at the ready! Open the spoiler tag: The Rays have plenty of potential with their identity. With a Columbia Blue/Yellow-heavy color scheme, a unique take on scripts/numbers, and a more distinct fauxback set, the Rays can stand out from the rest of the majors! Up next, the Toronto Blue Jays!
  23. The sign is only about a 10-minute walk away from my apartment. I walk by this sign at least once a week. It's across the street from the Milwaukee County Historical Society's headquarters and Pere Marquette Park.
  24. I like what you've done with the Twins! I'm glad you implemented the redone cap logo, I like the "consistent" sock stripe, your color scheme is fantastic (I've been a fan of blue/green for the Twins for some time), and your "white wordmark with green outline" update really helped the road uniform and the overall color balance. My one complaint would be that the white front panel should be a full panel design (i.e. Orioles and Blue Jays), and not the "Taco Bell" look (i.e. Padres). Minor quibble aside, nice work!