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  1. Thanks for the C+C guys! I'm surprised the heritage alternate went over as well as it did. Luckily, for those who liked it, there's more of it coming up. ATLANTA FIREBIRDS, PT. II - Resugens in Red and Black This concept combines several board discussions into a cohesive identity. A couple of board members have stated an inclination to see the Braves in red and black, to eliminate another navy/red team and to align the Braves with the Falcons and Hawks in a "civic" color scheme. I thought it was worth an experiment, even if I didn't agree with the sentiment. I simply swapped the navy out for black while keeping red and yellow-gold (which both the Falcons and Hawks should use as accent colors). Since the alternate takes will almost always feature name changes for relocated teams, I wanted to give the Braves a name that fit with Atlanta. I decided upon Firebirds for several reasons. There was synergy with the other Atlanta team names (which is a must for a "civic" color scheme). It also fit with the whole "rising from the ashes" narrative that Atlanta's city boosters/investors pushed following the city's destruction in Sherman's March to the Sea (to the point of having a Phoenix on the city seal). On this subject, Reiko Hillyer wrote, "Northern visitors also parroted the image of Atlanta as phoenix, remarking, 'Like Chicago, Atlanta rose from its ashes at the close of war, and entered into an uninterrupted era of peaceful prosperity.'"1 Since Phoenixes was a little over-the-top for my tastes, I went for Firebirds. Sure, big daddy GM might have issues with it, but I don't care. My first version of the concept was little more than a palette swap. In response to the praise the heritage alternates got for my main take, I redid my concept to fit around them. Drop shadows now accompany all of the elements, alongside the "A" monogram and the Braves-style scripts (which have a sharp look to them, perfect for the new name). The Black Crackers' "A" now has a drop shadow in all instances, akin to the logo of the Atlanta Crackers. It's a good way to incorporate Atlanta's pre-1966 baseball history. The Firebird (based on heraldic depictions of the creatures) has flame detailing on his tail feathers. It's much less garish than the full flames and easier to render in small applications. The flame tongue comes from the Snot Horse of the Calgary Flames. I put the "A" at the top of the diamond, to get some "Atlanta" on the logo. The uniforms feature the drop shadow motif on the scripts and numbers. I went with one-color NOB's, for legibility reasons. The Northwestern-style stripe remains on the socks, given the Falcons' history with said striping pattern. I thought about adding placket stripes, but they made the whole set look too cluttered. The alternates are palette-swapped versions of the old heritage alternate. The road version has a dedicated cap. The old heritage alternate now uses the road alternate's cap and the primary logo as a sleeve patch. The other fauxback is a black/red version of the "715" uniforms, complete with the flame replacing the feather (a very "Winga Dinga" touch) and white cleats (a bit of 1970's flair). It's a fun way to make the Braves fit within the "civic" color/naming scheme of Atlanta, as well as the history of the city. It's almost as Atlanta as Lemon Pepper Wings and Coca-Cola! C+C is greatly appreciated, as always! Up next, the Cincinnati Reds (emphasis on the red part). 1Reiko Hillyer, Designing Dixie: Tourism, Memory, and Urban Space in the New South, American South Series (Charlottesville: University of Virginia Press, 2015), 142.
  2. Yup! Heck, any dark color with pink will do:
  3. Can I just have my Krusty doll? I like having the Pirates in vests, as they're really the only team that ever looked good in them (the classic cut kind, not the ones that were just set-in sleeve jerseys without sleeves). I also wanted my divisions to be a bit more geographic, which is why the Braves and Reds are in the East and the Cubs and Cardinals are in the West (with their old NL Central buddies - the Brewers and the Astros). I don't Reds-Dodgers or Mets-Cubs to be compelling enough rivalries to go against a geographic divisional alignment. Thanks! I thought that a white cap for the White Sox might be a fun idea, if only so I could put my own spin on it (since pretty much every MLB series here has at least one white-crowned cap for them). I'm surprised that the two-color version of the Rangers' Heritage script was well-received, considering the contrast between brick red and slate blue. Thank you for these suggestions! I'm having a bit of a tough time figuring out what to do with the Marlins. The rainbow idea (suggest by @the admiral and @Lights Out) has been done and done better than I could do it (I really like it, BTW) and the "1993-2011 but with Miami instead of Florida" has been done to death here. Whatever I do, I think it'll be a nice surprise. With the Boston Braves, it'd just be me swapping out the "Atlanta" script for a "Boston" one. It really wouldn't be "different" enough to work. I've never liked the name "Senators (as it fits the Ottawa NHL team so much more)," so I doubt we'll be seeing any alternate take using that name. Also, the "Miami Gators" thing is too gimmicky for my tastes (like the Pacers' "Hickory" alternates). Anyway, onto the Braves! ATLANTA BRAVES, PT. I - You won't notice it, but your brain will. When going into this series, I was unsure about what to do with the team. I was already happy with my previous concept, in which I removed the road cap, overhauled the navy alternate, and did a "neo-retro" take on the "715" uniforms (like their old BP cap). That was on top of adding a few Boston/Milwaukee Braves touches (the Northwestern-style striped socks, the "Midnight Navy" shade, and the contrast-colored tomahawk). I decided to do some miniscule tweaking, to refine it. The most notable adjustment is that I redid the kerning of the "Atlanta" script, to better match the "Braves" wordmark. Here is a comparison. I adjusted the striping on the uniforms to be a little thinner, so it's not as bloated as the current uniforms. The arched NOB, Northwestern-striped socks, and contrast-colored tomahawk (in navy, not black) all return. There's no road cap, as it's really unnecessary. The alternates are simple enough. The navy alternate now has a contrast-colored tomahawk, based on this Milwaukee Braves jacket. Instead of the cream alternate being a 1966 throwback, it is instead my attempt to honor the history of the Braves franchise and Atlanta baseball. The cap logo and the drop shadows come from the Atlanta Black Crackers, while the crest-style uniform descends from the Braves' time in Boston. All in all, little changes go a long way to make the Braves look better. C+C is greatly appreciated, as always! For the alternate take, something with a decidedly more "Atlanta" leaning.
  4. Well, give them thinner stripes and go back to the much superior block font, Block Standard Bold (what the Royals use on their home uniforms). That custom Reds block font (mid-1980's to 1998) looked really cheap and tacky.
  5. I've got a funny idea for that green alt. Why don't you have the letter and back number in white, and a yellow front number? It ties in really well with the jersey and pants striping.
  6. Thanks for the C+C guys, I appreciate it. Thank you. That Black Jays set was a total case of "I never want to see it in real life, but it's worth a shot to explore the possibility and make the best out of a bad idea." I think you'll enjoy my take on the Brewers. Thanks, and you're welcome. "Argentine Asswipe" would make both an interesting band name and empanada bar name. It was hard trying to find a way to depict the bird in a way that conveyed motion and didn't look goofy. I made versions of the logo that were just the bird's head/neck in a roundel and in a baseball diamond. It reminded me too much of crummy "craft beer" to use it. I think you'll like what I'll do with the Astros, which thankfully won't be revisiting that color scheme (it never worked for them). Thank you! I've got a tan script edition as an experiment. Because it's inconsistent with the cap, I paired it with a white-crowned cap (because I love those). I thought about the "Railmen" as an alternate take, but I didn't like the name all that much. I think you'll still like what I'll do with them. Anywho, here are the updates and a few experiments! Anaheim in Navy/Red - I tried out @MJD7's contrasting sleeve idea. Chicago - I removed the sleeve patch on the home uniform and tried out a white-crowned cap on the home alt. Kansas City - The front numbers and NOB's contrast on the purple alternate. Minnesota - I adjusted the navy alternates for the new patch. Twin Cities Twins - I flipped the "Twin Cities Twins" color balance. Oakland Oaks - I tried out the Oakland flag's tree in the logo. I also added two fauxbacks, one to the 1968 A's and one to the 1929/30 squads. Rangers - I simplified the retro alternate, and presented a "Sedona Red" version of the logo sheet. Chaparrals - The aforementioned white-crowned cap appears here. ...and now, the NL East preview! Up next, the Atlanta Braves!
  7. Nice work! I like the four-stripe pattern, and the sleeve patch design. Going full John McGraw on the road uniforms was an inspired touch, and I'm surprised at how legible the 1994-99 road wordmark looks when it's single-color. Good work. I'd add that Eduardo Nuñez isn't on the team anymore, but that's a tiny quibble. The NL West looks fantastic, and I'm looking forward to your next concept.
  8. Thanks. It won't be "Dallas-Fort Worth," as that sounds too minor-league for my tastes. We don't have the Dallas-Fort Worth Cowboys, after all. Thank you. Looking at it, I was really unsure about the double outline. It's not going to be there in the next update. Thanks! I thought Rangers fans were going to rake me over coals (or a propane grill) for this design. I'm glad you liked it. I wanted to go with the Astros' brick red straight-up, as I've always been fond of the color (just not for the Astros). Besides, with that brick/black/sand color scheme so totally associated with the team's competitive nadir, I think it might be free from all "rivalry" stigma. I might try it with the Diamondbacks' red color, to see if that looks better (I'm promoting the "Snakes" to a standard entry, BTW). The double outlines were kind of necessary to keep the brick and slate from blurring too much (a problem I had with the Rangers' 2001-2013 uniforms). I see how they could be a pain on blue/brick backgrounds (white touching sand), but I like the extra depth. Moving on, here is the latest in the "Death to State Names" series! DALLAS CHAPARRALS, PT. II - Speeding into an alternate history Let's go back to the early-1970's. The Dallas Chaparrals are an ABA team, trying to find a solution to their financial difficulties. Instead of becoming a traveling team for 1970-71 (under the name "Texas Chaparrals"), they hold on in Dallas that year. The San Antonio ownership group forms at this juncture (a year earlier than in our timeline), and buys the team with the intent on moving them to San Antonio. Instead of a lease deal, it is instead an outright sale to move the team to San Antonio. These new owners rechristen the team as the San Antonio Spurs, whose successive history is otherwise the same. As part of this alternate timeline, both the Chaparrals' owners and the San Antonio group sell off the name trademarks to the recently-relocated Washington Senators. This sale would be after the Texas Rangers law enforcement organization and the NHL New York Rangers refused Robert Short's proposal for a team name. So, the MK. II Washington Senators became the Dallas Chaparrals (Swingin' Chaps to some) of Turnpike/Arlington Stadium. In 1994, after many years as a mediocre/bottom-feeder organization, the team moved to The Ballpark in Arlington. In the move, they dumped the royal/red color scheme in favor of a revolutionary brick, black, and tan look with touches of light blue to mimic the striping of the Greater Roadrunner - a Chaparral bird (Geococcyx californianus). Some cried BFBS, while others were just happy another red/blue team shirked that overused color scheme. Hopping back into our universe, @the admiral suggested the name for the Rangers as a better identity than the "Texas Texas" junk. I combined it with my desire to see the Astros' old color scheme on the Rangers while using bits of the Orioles' ornithologically-correct bird (depicted in a run). Put the two together (with some help from the University of Wyoming font - which I used in a Suns concept way back when), and we've got a stew going (thanks @MJD7 for the consult). I used the "top bar" on the wordmarks to incorporate the powder blue. The uniforms feature a three-layer stripe, to go with the scripts. The roundel appears on both uniforms, which feature the brick-dominant look I liked so much on the "Railmen" Astros identity. Powder blue also appears as a single band in the center of the Northwestern-esque sock stripes. The alternates are pretty standard. There's a brick version of the home uniform, alongside a black alternate for both home and road use. While I was hesitant to have the "D"/"big D" (insert snicker here) as the jersey crest, I think the front number makes it different enough from the Tigers. While I'm not entirely pleased with how the Chaparral turned out, I still believe that it's a worthwhile experiment that combines a unique color scheme with a classy name. C+C is appreciated, as always! Up next, the AL West updates and an NL East preview!
  9. Rockets: It's a good modernization of the Hakeem-era set, and I like your attempt to clean up the "Space City" alternate. Heat: I'm a sucker for anything Art Deco, and you've relayed that aesthetic well into the Heat's current identity (I also like the return of the asymmetry and the Floridians-esque look). I like the base of the "South Beach" uniform, but a different city nickname might be more appropriate. Mavericks: It's always good to see the vintage font (with a matching number font) and green/blue color scheme back in action, and I like the minimalist striping. Pelicans: The striping on the panels and collars are fantastic, and the choice to use a faded, teal-ish green was a good one. I'm not entirely fond of the font (something like the 2014 All-Star Game font might be better), but that's personal preference. Pacers: I like the cornrow stripe on the FloJo-esque design, but I'm not sold on the font. It's a little too "chunky" for a team like the Pacers (a name that implies a bit of speed). I'd also flip the color distribution on the navy uniform, as the white kind of gets "blown out" by the yellow. Cavaliers: The color block-style panel stripes are a nice touch, and I like how you've handled the color distribution of brown/orange (even though I prefer burgundy/gold for the team). The font is not all that fantastic, but you've made the most out of the team's aesthetic mistake. Kudos. Blazers: I like the added consistency of the silver outline, and the modern take on the Bauhaus-esque font/Rip City logo is wonderful. Good work.
  10. Thanks! I've fixed the image links. Apparently, the board software was doing some weird image resizing thing.
  11. TEXAS RANGERS, PT. I - Slate and Brick ship up to Arlington The Rangers are a team where I've gone through all the motions. I've had them be royal-dominant, red-dominant, and royal/red co-dominant. For this series, I wanted to push them in a different direction. I first wanted to have them be dark royal (the same shade as the 1960's/70's Cowboys) and bronze/gold, but then I came upon a different idea (with some influence from @Lights Out's faded blue/red look). Why not replace red with the brick of the 2000-2012 Houston Astros (a look that didn't work for that team) and turn that royal blue into a slate blue (a color I experimented on for the Mariners)? It would be a unique take on the blue/red pairing, while also fitting with a "Texas" aesthetic. I threw sand/tan into the mix as a strong accent color. The ranger shield is the new primary logo, and the "T" (which is now double-outlined) is the secondary. I replaced the jingoistic flag patch (flags really shouldn't be on sports uniforms) with a state outline logo with the "TR" insignia and a star marking Arlington's location (inspired by @davidmiller5's alternate logo). The home and road set has asymmetrical striping on the sleeves, pants, and socks. The home uniform has the "Rangers" wordmark, as I've never liked the "Texas Texas" nature of the current set. I decided to pull the co-dominant trick again, with a contrast-colored bill at home (which has precedent for the Rangers) and a brick-dominant cap logo on the road (like the hat I wish they wore right now). The NOB's are one-color, to avoid legibility issues. The alternates are pretty self-explanatory. The first one is a brick jersey for wearing at home (like the current red alt), while the slate blue top works on both the home and road set (and with both caps). This jersey also bears the "Texas" wordmark and the state patch, as a bit of a compromise with the "Texas Texas" look. These alternates are my little spins on classic looks for the team. The first set is a brick-ified version of the 1994-2000 home uniform, while the second uniform updates the "Nolan Ryan-era" home uniform with the new striping, fonts, and state logo. Think of it as a look that balances the history of the team (well, 1989 to the present) with an updated color scheme. C+C is appreciated, as always! For the alternate take, we get a little alternate history in the naming department.
  12. Thanks. I wasn't really thinking about the "trendsetter" nature of the Carolina region, I just picked those colors because they looked good and fit with the team name. I also don't care about markets and "associated cultures" all that much either, I just go with what looks good to me. If I went with regional colors, the Mariners would be lime green and navy. I just did it because it gave both West divisions a Texas team, and I like the idea of a state as big as Texas having a team in each league. I also appreciate the history of the Astros in the National League (heck, I considered putting them in the NL West and moving the Diamondbacks to the AL West in a three-division system). I really don't care about network deals. I do care about history, but I really don't care about historic minor-league affiliations. Sure, the Giants had an affiliate in Phoenix for years, but that should have little to no relevance on whether or not Phoenix is an AL/NL city. It's all about the major-league level. Not every team needs or should default to a geographic rival that's economically/politically/culturally similar. Besides, the Diamondbacks/Snakes aren't all that far away from the Rockies (1,308.8 miles vs. 1,413.6 miles - only about 100 miles, which isn't that much). The Mariners would still have to shlep their way to Texas and Chicago a bunch of times per year, so it doesn't make too much of a difference in travel costs. Arizona is also on Pacific Time during the baseball season (weird Daylight Savings Time quirk), which would eliminate the time zone issue for the Mariners. But the DH shouldn't be at Coors Field. It would competitively cripple the team and their ability to develop pitching and attract pitching free agents. I care more about competitive balance that I do about whether or not cities have similar cultures. Heck, some of the best rivalries in sports happen in cities with vastly different civic cultures. I neither care about whether or not cities have "progressive" cultures in terms of forming baseball rivalries, nor do I care about the NFL's rivalries. By my logic, the DH would prevent the Rockies from ever forming a competitive pitching staff, which would competitively cripple them (which is fate I don't want in any market, especially one as big as Denver). That's a bigger obstacle than Seattle's travel schedule. The Mariners have never had an intraleague rival, except for maybe Oakland and Anaheim. Think of them like the Padres, with a shifting intraleague rival based on who is competitive at the time - not every team can have a Giants/Dodgers-level rivalry. Denver-Seattle really isn't much of rivalry in other sports (Seattle-Portland and Denver-Utah are more important in basketball, Broncos-Seahawks hasn't really been a rivalry since 2002 and Superbowl XLVIII, and the Canucks and Avs aren't rivals), and I don't see why it should be different for baseball. Thank you. I should have fixed that before I posted it. Ah well, the fix is in the spoiler box! Thanks. The "M" was 100% intentional. I wanted it to be like the trident, but without being a trident (compare the barbs on the trident to the serifs on the "M." Since there are no superstitions regarding a two-prong pitchfork, I thought it worked. Thanks. Yeah, I like trying to make the best out of a bad premise. The "Twin Cities Twins" and the Black Jays should be evidence enough of this. I like the extra challenge it presents.
  13. I'm... just not feeling it. I appreciate the craftsmanship behind the primary logo and the de-emphasis of red on the road uniform, but I'm lukewarm about the rest. The "Meb" just looks squished/awkward compared to the original (despite fixing the consistency problem), the red bill on the home uniform would look really out of place with so little red on the jersey and pants, and the number font is a huge miss. Overall, I'd say it's a downgrade from the 1992-2004 uniforms.
  14. Thank you! I really like how the color scheme and uniform design has turned out.
  15. Same here! I really like how they've been able to get their crap together as a franchise, and bring back the "Dodger Way" of old. I hate them, but at the same time I can appreciate it and thank them for talking Horace Stoneham out of moving the Giants to Minnesota, keeping the most competitive/entertaining rivalry in baseball alive (1238-1207 in favor of the Giants, dating back to the nineteenth century).
  16. I mended your post, and no, little has gone right (save for Posey's semi-resurgence this year). The team has fallen behind as an organization (scouting, development, coaching, etc.) and has just had a lot of crummy cards dealt their way.
  17. Had the Astros changed their name to "Diesels," "Railmen," or "Colts" with their move to Minute Maid Park, I would have loved to see their identity form around these two uniforms: The brick-centric look could have been fantastic. Still, I'm glad they came to their senses and brought back navy/orange. Tangentially, this color scheme (if the Diamondbacks weren't using it) would be good for the Rangers.
  18. I guess that it does make sense, working within software limits. I would not have known that the Pioneers were an MS Word creation, so kudos! I just have issues with the Beavers' scripts, which looked like a bog-standard brush script font (compared to your Pioneers font). Yeah, I'm kind of out of touch with the young kids' vernacular, so I'm just going off of what I remember from high school (which was some time ago). If the "beaver" euphemism has fallen out of favor, then I'm good with Beavers!
  19. It doesn't have to be the exact same shades, and adding brown into the mix makes it different enough.
  20. Yeah, I'm not sold on the Beavers. While the name has a lot of history in the region (I should know, I did my undergrad there), I kind of have a hard time not seeing the word "beaver" as an immature euphemism for "vagina." It doesn't pass the "Will a 12 year old snicker at it?" test. I still like the patterned trim and the modified number font, however. Second, the FSU color scheme is kind of dull. That red/green/brown color scheme you modeled with the Pioneers was much better, as was the simpler red/green of the test. It's needs green somewhere (as it really fits the region, and red/green has more of an old-timey look to it than FSU colors). I really like what you did with the "Pioneers" identity. I'd rather you go with that than retreading a minor-league identity with minimal modifications (one of my biggest pet peeves for "expansion" concepts). You could have dumped the flags from the cap logos, and that alone would have been a big improvement. However, the big point against it is that there's already a Pioneers team in the region - the Lewis & Clark Pioneers (I'm an alumnus). If you want a solid solution, use the colors and fonts from the Pioneers' identity. Just swap out mentions of "Pioneers" for "Beavers" (you can keep the beaver logo, as it's major-league quality - unlike the MS Word "Beavers" scripts), and you'd be set!
  21. I like it! It's an effective modernization/simplification of the previous uniforms. I don't like the outline inconsistency, but it's still good.
  22. I like the Pirates set you've designed, and I really like the "Goldilocks" version of the gold alternate. However, I do kind of wish it was a vest. It'd go more with the home uniform that way. The road jersey shouldn't be a vest, because a black vest with black undershirts is kind of pointless.
  23. Yadier Molina is tossing some heat Mike Matheny's way after Matheny made some comments on Molina's age: Oh boy...
  24. That's an excellent streamlining of the Rangers' logos. It looks cleaner without the bevels, and I also like that you kept plenty of white barriers between the red and royal blue. Well done!
  25. I still think the Pacers' aesthetics peaked in the ABA: Darken that royal to navy/dark royal (darker than the Warriors' royal), and you'd have a good starting point for a redesign.