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  1. Thanks! I think you'll like those concepts. Thanks! I'm glad you liked it. Thanks! If you're wondering what I'd do to the Blackhawks, my changes won't go beyond "make the sleeve stripes on the red sweater match the hem and socks of that uniform." I figured I should keep a bear logo around, if only so that it follows my rule of: "all sports teams named after an animal must have a logo featuring said animal." I'm not arguing the strength of the primary logo or the cap logo at all, but I did want to include a bear logo somewhere. The '94-'96 is the best option. It's hard to believe that Dumpster Bear has lasted 20 years. If you're wondering about the gray road uniform, I wound up lightening the gray shade a bit. I didn't want it to infringe on my Expos concept, so I was hesitant to make it too light/blue-tinted. I also adjusted the sleeve stripes on the blue alt to have a thickness comparable to the Blue Jays' cuffs. You're right; the new gray shade does make the roadies look better than the old concept: It doesn't feel as "muted," which is a problem when using Pantone 294C. While I thought about using white pants with the road alternate (a look I associate more with a cool moment in Giants history - even though I don't like Will Clark), it just didn't fit with my tastes. Well, I think it's time for an alternate take! CHICAGO CUBS, PT. II - The wishbone returns to the diamond. We're headed back to the alternate universe from my Reds concept on this one. If the Reds are not the team to make the Wishbone C their own, then who would? While the Indians have a history with their Wishbone C, the Cubs also spent about twenty years wearing one as a primary logo/jersey crest and wore one on their caps until 1956. I figured it would be a cool experiment to see how the team would modernize it over time. This piece also gave me an opportunity to update the Cubs' cursive scripts from the 1930's (inspired by @gswansea's work). The colors are the same as my previous Cubs concept, albeit with the addition of light blue and dark navy (replacing light royal). I don't mind Cubs concepts that add light blue, but I don't like it when it comes at the expense of royal/red. The new primary logo features the 1994-96 bear at the center of the Cubs' 1925-36 primary logo. This "C" features another notch in the wishbone, highlighting a light blue diamond. It was a way to get the 1931-33 script's design into the main set, and differentiate the Cubs' "C" from other Wishbone C insignias. The '94-'96 bear appears in front of a rhombus as a tertiary. I'm aware that I've just turned the Cubs into every other Bears concept, but I'm OK with that. The uniforms feature some fun bits. The 1930's scripts get an update, with "C's" similar to the cap logo. The "s" is open the "Cubs" script, avoiding the "Cuba" look. The diamond also keeps the Cubs and White Sox styles different (let's assume the White Sox use a block wordmark in this universe). I brought out the primary logo on the sleeve and added double placket striping for an old-timey look. I added my main concept's sock stripes to the home uniform since the white set no longer had pinstripes. I used the Expos' old number font, because it looked classy and was "different" enough to fit with the Cubs' aesthetic. The alternates are similar to my first design. The blue alternate now bears a Tuscan (which has precedent from the 1920's-30's Cubs, even on the "Chicago" script) version of the Norman Rockwell "frown" wordmark (worn from 1937-1956, with a powder blue version). The light blue accents made it possible for me to put a fun spin on the design, with a matching NOB. The Retro Day alternate is a throwback to the red-pinstriped 1930 home uniform. It was an opportunity to incorporate a pinstriped C-ubs design into the set. While I would never want the Cubs to wear this set, I still think it's an effective modernization of their 1930's experimentation. C+C is appreciated! Up next, the Colorado Rockies! P.S. For those who want a Chicago Flag look, here's my road alt script on a white background.
  2. Yeah, I had the same thoughts while looking at it. Maybe it was for the best that the Nats didn't try to match their cap logo to their wordmark. It doesn't excuse matching up the "curly W" with the bevels. Thanks! I added those alternates in an edit. Things like this happen when I try to batch upload on Imgur. I think you will like Houston! I've been working on a lot of the ideas for it for some time. It was only in the past few months that I got it to the point where I thought I "nailed" it. Thanks! The Brewers is a tweak of an old concept I did, correcting a few errors and straightening out some sundry details. I'm sure you'll like the Rockies once you see the finished product (again, a mini-overhaul of an older piece). Well, it's Cubbie time! CHICAGO CUBS, PT. I - The road to better road uniforms. When the Cubs won the World Series last year, many of us complained that they clinched them wearing their blue jerseys. I didn't mind at all (although I'm not a fan of Dumpster Bear). It meant that these abominable uniforms didn't get immortalized: Look at them. The stretched wordmark font, the crummy contrasting numbers and scripts, and the insistence on using white outlines post-HD are all nasty. Then again, the Cubs have only had one excellent gray uniform, the 1958-68 set: Blue outlined in red, with a wordmark that matches the home lettering and a little touch of stripes is the way to go. All of my previous Cubs concepts use that wordmark, and I saw no reason to stop now. With the logo sheet, the colors and primary logo are unchanged from what the team wears now. The secondary is a red-outlined version of the 1994-96 bear, the best bear logo (which sadly left with José Martí's favorite Cubs uniforms). It doesn't look like an illustration, a Disney character, a deer in headlights, an alien bear, or a cub prowling through the cooler in your buddy's Subaru Outback. The backing shape is gone so that I can reinforce the whole "royal outlined in red" look. The tertiary is the cap logo, in this new colorway. The uniforms are where I made some more drastic changes. The home uniform is unchanged, save for the deletion of the sleeve patch. When I was putting the set together, I realized that @the admiral was right about how it "imbalanced" the uniform's composition. Wrigley would still show off the secondary logo, so it's not like it'd be missing. The road uniform uses the 1958-68 set as a base, albeit without the collar stripe. It was a little too much. I added the cub patch and sock stripes. The Cubs have a strong history with hosiery trim, and I wanted to add some that matched the colorway of the cap logo. Think of it as the same trick I pulled with my Tigers concept, with the differentiation of uniform striping. While some may not like it, I think it adds a bit of "color" to the look (which I like). The NOB's on both uniforms are the Montréal Canadiens' NOB font, which goes a lot more with the Cubs' lettering. Here is a comparison. The alternates are pretty simple. The blue jersey now uses the primary logo on the chest, uses the road jersey's striping, and has a day limit ("How does it feel, when you treat me like you do?"). It brings the blue jersey back in line with its 1982-89 predecessor and highlights the best Players' Weekend look. The Retro Day alternate is a throwback to the 1945 home uniforms, with correct sock stripes (unlike the 2015 throwback). With its striping, one could see it as "bringing the road look home." While the Cubs have a fantastic identity, these alterations make their primaries a little more "classy" and improve their alternates. They also look less like the white-heavy/light shaded Expos, which is good. Also, for those who want to see how the bear patch would look on the home and road alternates, here you go: C+C is appreciated, as always! For my alternate take, let's go back to the 1930's!
  3. But the newer one is easier to center, which makes it a better crest. The newer logo has a better-rendered face and "stronger" line weights. It also has more of an "O" look to it, which is good for all the people who would want to see it on a barberpole sweater.
  4. Sadly, I don't think it's happening. A few years back, @ColorWerx confirmed that it was no longer in the Sens' style guide. That's a bummer, as it's easily the best Roman logo they've had. Slap that on the old black alternate, and you'd have the best Roman look for the Sens.
  5. I added the Reds to the update post, as I forgot to post them the first time.
  6. Thanks! It was a fun little exercise to make the most out of it. Thanks! The reason the "W" looked so different was that it was a recreation of Todd Radom's planned "W" insignia. I've always wanted to put that logo out there in a high-res format, and this was the perfect opportunity. Still, I have mocked up a cap with the "W" from the "Washington" script: I don't like it nearly as much as the Radom "W." The "DC" is a better choice in both applications. Thanks! I used that NOB font in my update, with adjustments to the Agency numbers to get that square serif look. I meant for it to be white since only the Giants wore creme uniforms full-time back then. Still, I mocked up a creme version: The white does look better, to me. It's update time! Cincinnati Reds: I adopted @the admiral's idea for a slab-serif road script, MJD7's idea to use the custom number font, and a better recreation of the navy/red logo from this Todd Radom tweet. Florida Flamingos: I added a keyline to the Flamingo, per @MJD7's suggestion. I also mocked up the logo sheet with the Midnight Green and Light Teal replacing Black and Marlin Blue, again per MJD7's request. Montréal Voyageurs: I added knobs to the paddle bottoms on the tertiary, per @coco1997's request. They now look a lot less like spoons. Philadelphia Phillies: Pitching Billy Pen is now the primary logo and the sleeve patch on the alternates. The creme uniform is now white, a suggestion made by @KittSmith_95. I also added some new colored bits to the primary uniforms' shoes. Philadelphia Phillies Alternate Take: I lightened the gold shade and added contrast-colored stars. Pittsburgh Pirates Alternate Take: I inverted the NOB colors, per @the admiral's suggestion. It helps a lot with legibility. Washington Nationals: I deleted the gold outline and sock logo on the creme uniform, at @coco1997's request. I've also added front numbers and red cleats to the home alternate, based on the suggestions of @MJD7 and coco1997. Washington Nationals Alternate Take: I've implemented @the admiral's NOB font, and adjusted the Agency numbers to match. I also corrected the logo sheet error. I hope you guys like the updates! And now, the NL West preview! Feel free to speculate away! Up next, the defending champs, the Chicago Cubs!
  7. Thanks guys! Thanks! I too found it odd that the font had clearly-defined slab serifs, even though the 'S" was the only letter with serifs. I think you'll be happy with my alternate take's number choice. I do agree that recoloring the DC flag elements to work as a striping pattern does take it a bit far from a direct homage. However, I still think it's a solid of civic iconography (albeit with different coloration and proportions). It's also symbolic of how the Nats are the third D.C. Metro Area team (because Calvin Griffith was the Donald Sterling of his day and because Robert Short was a doofus), and the second team to use the name "Nationals." While that's not something to celebrate, it makes for a good "mythology gag" and an alternate explanation for the DC flag-like design. You posted a concept for the Nationals with that NOB, but not the whole font. I liked what you did with the bevels, and it influenced my work a lot. Thanks. I'm dropping the gold outline on the creme alt, as the creme makes a good gold substitute. I'm also adding a front number to the red jersey, as it does balance the elements a bit more. Thanks! I was going for the muddled look. I wanted the gold and red to blend a bit, as it gave the script more weight and it still reads as red from a distance. I tried having red and gold separated, but that created a problem when I had white outlined with gold. I figured that the red/gold blending was better looking than the white/gold contrast, so I went with that. If I tried to have things predominantly navy while also having red elements, it'd make the team look too much like the Braves. I'm going to pair red cleats with the red alt, as it does complete the "red-centric" look a bit more than the current set-up. Now, it's alternate take time! WASHINGTON NATIONALS, PT. II - Salvage Operation: the beveled Nats Let's flash back to late 2004. Our good buddy Todd Radom is working on the identity for the relocated Montréal Expos, which includes a pretty set of beveled scripts and cap insignias that make excellent use of gold. However, good ol' Bud steps in to force the MK. II Senators' "curly W" upon the identity, out of personal preference (as well as the preference of the city leaders) and because of "brand equity" with the franchise's introduction. That decision screwed with the cohesion of the brand. The flip-flopping of red-dominant at home and navy-dominant on the road also didn't help (it was a crummy branding convention of the time). I have decided to fix these issues for the alternate take. Navy is now the primary color, with red and gold as accents. Most of Radom's original brand is intact here, including his beveled "W." While I know that the beveled "W" really doesn't match the "W" in the "Washington" wordmark, it's still got similar aesthetics to the "DC" insignia. Besides, I won't pair that script with that cap mark. No "Est. 1905" logos are here, either. That was a dumb decision to include those, and it made the Nats' attempts to deny the Expos' history even more egregious. The Expos didn't deserve to share in the fates of the St. Louis Browns and Seattle Pilots. The uniforms feature a cohesive look. The "DC" logo graces the navy caps, and the secondary becomes the sleeve patch. I went with simple striping that mimicked the 2002-present Angels look (to maintain the early-mid '00's feeling). There are no sock stripes because nobody was adding those in 2004/5. If they had to have sock decorations, I would have ported over the ones from my first concept. Think of it as a streamlined version of @the admiral's old design. The font is a bit different now. Instead of the slab serif letters (which were a bit too thick), the team now uses Agency numbers. I sourced them from Bill Henderson's renderings of the Black Jays' away numbers while thinning the bevels and thickening the outlines.1 I also used a straight-aligned version of the Canucks' Agency NOB font, with three layers. Agency is period-appropriate, and it looks good with the lettering. The first group of alternates is pretty simple. The first one is a red-out version of the home uniform, and the second is a navy jersey with the "DC" crest. It also has the primary as a patch, and the "W" cap to avoid redundancy. The second set of alts features a red accessories version of the home uniform. While it looks bad, it can be a half-measure given to Bud and the D.C. leaders' preference for a red-centric look. The other uniform is a faux-back to the final uniforms of the Sens MK. I and the 1963-67 Sens MK. II. It has the "beveled W" cap and navy pinstripes with the "Nationals" cursive script (a plausible design for the period). The Brewers' faux-back run started in 2006, so it's not unreasonable to assume that the Nats would also have one. While some may complain that it looks too much like the Twins' uniforms, the Twins of 2004-05 had a somewhat different look. While I'm not the biggest fan of the Nats' beveled look, I hope I've made it a little more cohesive and unique. C+C is appreciated! Up next, NL East updates and an NL West preview! 1William F. Henderson, Game Worn Guide to MLB Jerseys: (1970–2015) Seventh Edition (Philadelphia, PA: Aardvark Publishing, 2015), 2793.
  8. Thanks! The fancy block NOB lettering is a fun touch. I'm inverting the NOB colors in an update, if only because of legibility. I do agree that the primary looks too much like Bucco Bruce, which is why I've never liked the Pirates using portraits of privateers. While I don't think you're going to like my main Nats concept, I'm almost certain you'll love my alternate take. Thanks. Some people say George Clooney, but I don't see it. Reviewing the mark and updating it gave me a whole new level of respect for what guys like @ren69 do. Those logos are tough subjects. Anyway, Nationals time! WASHINGTON NATIONALS, PT. I - Adding a golden touch to DC. When it comes to the Nats, I am one of the most pro-DC people you will find. While I do understand that the "curly W" on a red cap has become a symbol of the team, I've never been able to connect to it. I've always loved the "DC" logo, as I liked the idea of each Washington baseball team having their unique logo with little overlap ("block W" for the Sens MK. I/AL Nats, "curly W" for the Sens MK. II, and DC for the NL Nats). "DC" seems to be the preferred (and legal) name for the city, so it makes sense to go with it for the insignia. I made navy (282 C) the primary color (they play near the Navy Yard, after all), brightened the red, and I added metallic gold to the set. I thought it gave the marks more "oomph" and helped to differentiate them from the Twins (while bringing them closer to the current Twins ) and Braves. Since I wanted to use the scripts instead of the old wordmarks, I opted for double outlines on all of the elements. It was a way to get the impact of beveling without using the bevels. The 2005 alternate mark becomes the primary (with the excellent Albertus font), while the updated "DC" is a secondary. The tertiary is a roundel with the sleeve stripe design (inspired by George Washington's Coat of Arms/the Washington D.C. flag) with the proper founding date of 2005. It's an extended apology for the "Est. 1905" crap. The uniforms are an evolution of my previous design. I'll repeat much of what I said over there. I tweaked the "Nationals" script to better resemble the "Washington" script and the unused script. Here is a comparison. The "Washington" script underwent a color flip and gained a powder blue-tinted base. I liked the way that color interacted with the metallic gold. Both scripts have gold outlines, which gives them a bit more "heft" without resorting to bevels. My DC flag-inspired stripes (which other concept artists have picked up on, @MJD7 and @Lights Out) receive tweaks to fit with the new color scheme. The odd striping and the addition of gold help reinforce the Nats' status as a modern team in a traditional market, like the Minnesota Wild or the Winnipeg Jets Mk. II. The sock stripes now match the sleeve trim (minus the stars). The number font is the Twins' block with serifs, as it was thin enough to work with the scripts. I also used block condensed for the NOB's, to get that three-layer look right. I've taken a crummy look for the Twins, and turned it into a solid look for the Nats! The first set of alternates maintain the themes of the primaries. The red jersey shows off the interlocking "DC" logo as a crest, with a "curly W" on the cap. It's my attempt at throwing a bone to the fans of the "curly W" and avoid cap/jersey redundancy. It also uses the post-2011 "curly W," which has a few improvements on the original. The navy alternate is a color-flipped version of the home uniform. The second set of alts includes a red-billed version of the primary cap for home wear (I like the way it looks) and a mishmash of several Sens MK. I/AL Nationals/Sens MK. II looks. It's got the script w/o piping and "curly W" styling of the 1969-71 Senators, the white-bottomed socks and double patches of the 1924 team, and the red dominance of the '68-'71 squads. The uniform pays tribute to the city's baseball history, while still being part of the NL Nats' identity. It's also another attempt to throw a bone to the red-centric fans and the "curly W's" brand equity. Now the Nationals can homage each of the previous Washington baseball teams while presenting a look that makes them stand out in the NL East/Major Leagues. They can blend both traditional (scripts, block fonts, and navy-dominance) and modern (gold accents, "DC" logo, and stripes) elements. C+C is appreciated! For the alternate take, I rescue the bevels from the salvage heap!
  9. That line of logic is only brought out when we talk about Mighty Ducks nostalgia, when it also applies to so many other facets of branding and marketing. I'd also add that part of the Rays' problem is marketing. They totally bungled marketing themselves in 1998 and in the following years.
  10. So, Danny Duffy of the Royals has been charged with a DUI. He passed out in a Burger King drive-through. More details here. First, thank :censored: Duffy didn't kill anybody (aside from his dignity). Second, now would be a good time for the Commissioner's Office to make an example of somebody to amend the DUI problem.
  11. Congrats on completing your series! It's been a lot of fun following it. My favorite division has to be the AL West. There's a beautiful variety of colors and fonts, with a bunch of fantastic striping patterns and graphic alignments. As for my favorite team per division: AL East: Tampa Bay (the work with the font is really impressive) AL Central: Salt Lake City (that color combo with the striping pattern is fantastic, even if it violates my rule about pinstripes and sock/sleeve striping) AL West: Portland (I love that color scheme and the beaver pattern) NL East: Miami (the rainbow-ish look is really eye-catching, and I still like the new number font) NL Central: New Orleans (you really knocked this one out of the park on the font, color, and pattern levels) NL West: Colorado (you managed to make the font look good, and that color scheme with those sock stripes is lovely) Good work!
  12. I love it! It just goes to show that the Bucks made a huge mistake in dropping red from their color scheme. I get why they did it (get out of their poorly-realized nostalgia phase, new ownership, and avoid the "Xmas" stigma of pairing a deer theme with green/red), but the Forest Green and Red combo is so pretty. It was like if the Canucks dropped Royal/Kelly or the Astros dropped Navy/Orange. They were a team that resolved their identity crisis, only to revive it in a crummy way.
  13. From the latest edition of Game Worn Guide to MLB Jerseys by Bill Henderson, we now know that the Padres had an interesting navy/orange prototype:1 I'm a little disappointed that they didn't go with it. While the wordmark is still a bit crappy, the two-color format really helped it. 1William F. Henderson, “San Diego Padres,” in Game Worn Guide to MLB Jerseys: 1970-2017: Eighth Edition, 8th ed., ed. Rick Subrizio (Philadelphia, PA: Aardvark Publishing, 2017), 2191.
  14. White Sox: It's good that you kept it more or less the same. It's still one of the better 1983-86 updates. Spiders: Those outlines are a big help! Good work. Tigers: The belt loop fix is a good one. Royals: The purple borders really help the stripes stand out. Twins: Hey, my logo does look good in royal/kelly! I like the new "M" too. Good work. Salt Lake: The new bee logo works pretty well with the set. All in all, good updates!
  15. It seems that you've ignored the key part of Raysox's post: I know that it may seem tough, but it would be good for us to show a little compassion towards Rays fans. They've spent almost a decade hearing the "they couldn't draw flies, even when they went to the World Series" and "you should lose your team" epithets. The former ignores that it was the first season that the team was worth a damn in the standings. They didn't have the same kind of entrenchement in the area that an older, historically more successful franchise would have (I might also cite poor marketing as a reason for this). The latter is just plain insulting. Put yourself in their shoes, and try to understand why they're sick of people from outside of the area telling them that the team they've poured their heart into should go away.
  16. Astros: That's really good! The new shade of purple really helps the look, as do the new fonts! You're welcome, and I'm glad I could be of help on that front. Angels: The new colors work really well with the design. Good work. Athletics: I like that you brought the white elephant back. Beavers: The color scheme is fantastic, and I like that you're maximizing the wordmarks in the identity. Mariners: That was a good decision to switch up the primary logo. Rangers: Your previous update took care of all of the issues, and I'm glad to see you didn't mess with a good thing. It's been really fun following this series.
  17. Thanks! Yeah, that's always a concern with any pirate-themed team. There's only so much you can do with it. Speaking of the Buccaneers, here's an appearance by Bucco Bruce's cousin! PITTSBURGH PIRATES, PT. II - Hit the wave with Tuscan and Gibson! The Pirates' keystone P is one of the newer "iconic" cap logos. It first appeared in 1948, without any real precedent. Before that, the Pirates used a mix of Tuscan P's (with matching wordmarks), cursive lettering, and block P's. This alternate take will examine what would have happened if the Pirates stuck with the Tuscan P when they switched to black/yellow in 1948. The colors here shift to a lighter yellow (123 C, not 1235 C) and towards yellow/black co-dominance (like red and navy's relationship for the pre-1948 Pirates). I also experimented with modernizing one of the pirate portrait logos, the 1967-86 logo. I added an eye patch, reduced the amount of detail in the design, and adjusted the shading. Here is a comparison with the original. The secondary is an outlined version of the 1923-39 cap logo, and the tertiary is a keystone-themed update of the 1908-1909 "PBC" insignia. The uniforms are nothing too fancy. With the Tuscan font (MLB Tuscan New), I wanted to lay it out in a different way from the Red Sox and Mets. I gave it a wave pattern, something that kind of works with the "seafaring" theme. I figured that since the Pirates had a history of odd font arrangements, it would be in character. I used the UA Tiffany font for numbers and NOB's, as Tiffany letters are a bit more legible than the Pirates' font at NOB size. Northwestern stripes appear on the socks (a little place to insert "golden triangle" imagery). The updated pirate graces the sleeves. The alternates have some unique features. The yellow jersey has a matching cap (a yellow version of the 1970-76 cap), no white outlines, and double trim (mimicking the 1925 Pirates' uniforms). The black alternate features the "PBC" patch, like the 1908-09 set. The second group of special event uniforms also have connections to the team's history. The updated pirate graces the chest of a creme alternate with some double trim. Think of it as my take on the 1940-41 uniforms. The pillbox hat from my previous concept returns, with the Tuscan P. While I would never want the Pirates to wear these uniforms, I thought it was a worthwhile experiment to see how I could overhaul the Pirates' pre-1948 identity into something almost as distinctive as the keystone set. C+C is appreciated! Up next, the Washington Nationals!
  18. I think it does! You nailed it.
  19. Thanks guys! Thanks! I get how it could be seen as being a little too close to the crest, but I kind of wanted it that way. I thought the little barbs on the crest's outline and it's overall shape kind of called to mind a pirate aesthetic (the barbs even look like Jolly Roger bones). Those who don't know about the Pittsburgh crest would just think it's some "Pirate-y" image, while those can see the Pittsburgh connection would enjoy the reference. I couldn't get that same effect with a roundel or any other shield shape. I do agree with both you and @MJD7 that the logos inside it lack a little detail. I was trying to go for a look that would be easier to embroider, but a little more detail and fewer abstract ideas would improve it. I also tried it with more detailed skulls, but those were too hard to embroider/see from a distance. It also gave me too much of a Tampa Bay Buccaneers vibe for my liking. So, in my update, I'll be removing the tricorn hat and adding some details to the skull. I was a little worried about the overlap, even with different-proportioned keystones. I'd argue that both can use it, since they use it in different contexts (one is a visible primary, the other is a rarely-used tertiary). I've never been to Pittsburgh, but I'd love to go one day. It seems like it would a city that I would like (big but not too big, cool local culture, good university, etc.). I had a feeling that vests wouldn't be to everybody's liking. But hey, if one team can pull it off, it's the Pirates. I didn't want to use the Pirates' lettering for NOB's, because of size and legibility reasons. It's the same reason why I'm hesitant to use three-color NOB's. Thank you. I didn't really see a resemblance between the keystone and the primary shield, hence why I used both. I can see where you're coming from with the curves on the icons in the logo, but the borders of the shield and the bridge's detailing is curvy enough - which makes them work. The one-color mode also helps them follow the pattern set by the Pittsburgh crest (which I wanted to emulate). The lack of detail is, again, me trying to take embroidery/resizing into consideration. The Pirates' wordmark is like the Royals' wordmark, it's only there as a formality and less as an integral part of the logo. I like minimizing the amount of text. Putting the wordmark in the crest loses the "golden triange" imagery I wanted in the design. Thanks. I thought about that, but I wanted to match the gold eagle pattern on the Pittsburgh crest. While it may not be accurate, it worked for the design in that application. Anyway, here's an update with a more detailed skull and crossbats and a tricorn-free baseball. I think that's a bit better, while keeping the spirit of the design intact.
  20. Cubs: I agree with Admiral, but the brown/light blue also looks good. You nailed the color balance. Reds: I wouldn't change anything there, except for making the sleeve stripes slightly more consistent (i.e matching the pants stripes). Brewers: The stripe borders look good! It makes them all the more legible, Zephyrs: The consistency tweak helped out a lot. Good work. Pirates: Another good update, not much else to say. Cardinals: Leaving it unchanged was a good move. Braves: The set still looks a little too "bright" for my liking. I'd eliminate any instances where white and yellow touch on non-white backgrounds, or add small black outlines to separate yellow and white. Marlins: Good on you to drop the yellow hat. Expos: If you want to tackle Admiral's idea, I suggest swapping out all instances of royal blue with a darker powder (like that 299 C shade I always use). It would mean deleting the white outline from the road script, but that's a minor adjustment. I'd also add white outlines to the numbers, for legibility reasons. I still like the design, but these changes could put it over the top. Mets: Thank you for using my script! It looks good on your set. As for the consistency problem Coco mentioned, maybe remove the white outlines on the racing stripes? Phillies: The "P" logo makes a good stand-in for a "Philadelphia" script. Good work. Nationals: The outlines are good, and I'd like to see the flipped version of the home uniform. All in all, good work!
  21. PITTSBURGH PIRATES, PT. I - Invested in civic quirkiness The Pirates' uniforms don't have many problems, aside from overuse of the crummy black jerseys. The logos, on the other hand, oh boy. The Pirates have never had a primary logo that looked "timeless" (save for a non-outlined version of the cap insignia). The first logo was an illustration, the second one is one of crummiest "cartoon" logos I've ever laid eyes upon, the "Mel Gibson Pirate" is too detailed, the portrait logo is a tad dull, and the modern logo reeks of 1997. The Pirates need a primary that doesn't have an "expiration date" problem like those previous ones. So, I turned to civic iconography. I remember when @the admiral brought the idea to use the crest on the Flag of Pittsburgh as an alternate logo for the Penguins, Pirates, and Steelers. Here is his reasoning: While I didn't want to use the crest wholesale, I did find that the shield offered up an excellent opportunity to give the Pirates a logo with some "Pittsburgh" flavor. The Pittsburgh crest's shape and template formed the base of my new primary. Within the shape, I placed a gold jolly roger with bats (an homage to the Mel Gibson Pirate), a baseball with a tricorn hat, and the classic cap logo. The blue pattern remains at the center, as having logo colors that show up nowhere else on the uniform is a Pittsburgh quirk. I used an image of the Roberto Clemente Bridge instead of the black castle on top, as said bridge is in the backdrop of the PNC Park. It was also my way of incorporating a tribute to the Pirates' most iconic player, without trying to shoehorn "21" into the logo. The secondary is an outlined "P," and the tertiary is a keystone (both the Phillies and Pirates can share) with the crest's jolly roger, the blue pattern, and the date "1887." The uniforms are unchanged, except for one big alteration: they're now vests! These follow the classic cut, not that sleeveless crap the team wore from 2001-08. I've used classic-cut vests on the alternates for the Guardians, Stingrays, Oaks, and both Reds sets. Having vests for primaries can be another Pittsburgh quirk, albeit one that has a base in team history and looks good. It also gets their identity further away from the Giants. To accommodate for the different cut, NOB's are Block Condensed (like my White Sox concept and like what the A's did in the 1960's). I kept the number font, as I like it. The primary is on the sleeves, and the socks have the tri-stripe pattern of the 1960's and the pillbox caps. It works for the team, because of both history and the whole three rivers/Golden Triangle motif. The alternates are pretty standard. I put a cap on their usage, for obvious reasons. The gold vest features the tertiary on the undershirt sleeve (sold with the jersey, BTW) and a double placket stripe (with collar connections). The black jersey (not a sleeveless jersey or vest, unlike the Rockies) has single-color wordmarks, numbers, and NOB's. It's cleaner than the double outline and is consistent with the cap. These other two would appear only a couple of times a year. The Roberto Clemente Day uniform is my recreation of the 1970-76 home uniform, with the 1973 memorial patch. The other alternate is a pillbox hat (with matching batting helmet) that would appear once in a while. It's the only bit of the 1979 set that should ever see the light again. It also doesn't have Stargell stars in its base form. Stars could appear, but only at the player's discretion. With this new logo and uniform cut, the Pirates can honor civic iconography and their franchise's history in a way that looks good. C+C is appreciated! For the alternate take, let's black and yellow up the pre-1948 Pirates! P.S. the number models are Roberto Clemente, Dock Ellis, and Vern Law.
  22. Thanks! You're right, Pitching Billy Pen (I love that name) looks fantastic in Claret/Light Blue. I'm debating between these two color balances for an update: The one on the left is more consistent with the rest of the set, while the one on the right has better contrast but couldn't be used on the primary home/road uniforms (too much Light Blue). What do you guys think? I too have issues associating Sweden with Philadelphia. While part of that is because Sweden isn't talked about as colonial empire all that much (the Great Northern War isn't taught enough), another part of it is that Swedish Philadelphia has become overshadowed by German/English Philadelphia and the Swedish presence in the Midwest. Thanks! I like the minimalist stripes and the mismatch, so I think I'll keep them. The big stripes don't jive with the rest of the set, and the mismatch is OK because the "P" is not a jersey insignia. I can see where you're coming from, but those kind of changes don't mesh with the identity's character. You're right about the lighter shade being a bit easier on the eyes. The two shades do compete with each other in my original, and the lighter yellow fixes that. Thanks! You can see the contrasting stars in the image above. I'm surprised that Pitching Billy Penn has gone over so well. It took a bunch of tries to get it just right. I tried a straight-up drawing of the statue, an Independence Hall logo (from an old Sixers concept of mine), and a couple of scripts to get it right. I think I wound up with the best option. With the Pirates, I'm going to be doing something that'll probably be controversial. Don't worry, I'm not changing the black/yellow or dumping the font. I will, however, add a bit of "local character" to the design.
  23. Thanks, guys! Thanks. I can see where you're coming from with not liking the creme alternate. I actually like the way it blends, for some reason I can't put my finger on. I didn't want to give the Phillies a Claret or Light Blue jersey, as the Phillies went a long time without such an alternate. I respected that in a way, so I decided not to do it. However, here's a white version of the creme alt: I like that a little bit more. Thank you! I did think to have some larger striping, but I liked the minimalist look a little more. It's a leftover from the early stages in the concept, where I had no white outlines on the road script. I kept it for minimalism's sake. As for the Philadelphia script, I'm not sure I like it all stretched out at that percentage: It distorts the text, making it harder to read. Now you know why I'm not all that keen on a "Philadelphia" script (even though it could look good). As for the primary logo, I get the whole "odd read" thing that the outfield gives off. I've prepped two graphics with the diamond to illustrate your idea: Thanks! I too would love to see more American teams wearing the Claret/Light Blue combination. Heck, I've long maintained that the Avs could pull it off. Thank you! You're on the money with the colors, but be prepared for a few more surprises! PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES, PT. II - Blue and Yellow men of Penn It would not be a understatement to say that the first half of the 20th century was a bad time for the Phillies. The team was a perennial cellar-dweller in financial distress that played in a shack of a stadium. The team's visual identity was also in flux during this time, as they experimented with varieties of red and blue. In 1938, the team became tenants of the then more-successful Philadelphia Athletics. The Phillies also adopted a royal/yellow color scheme, to honor the New Sweden Tercentenary and the colors of Philadelphia's flag (based on the Swedish flag). They also recolored their logo, an image of the William Penn statue atop Philadelphia City Hall pitching a baseball in front of field. While this colorway lasted only a year in our timeline, what if the Phillies kept those colors around beyond that point? I decided to run with the 1938 identity. While they may have been a little close to the A's royal blue, the Phillies were wise to use copious amounts of yellow. Therefore, that was my color balance. I made the assumption that when William B. Cox and the Carpenter family bought the Phillies, they would have kept that color scheme and combined it with the "Whiz Kids" script, while adjusting the William Penn logo over time. I also assumed that there would have been a "swirly-P" period with these colors. This would be followed by a return to form, albeit one that was less ugly than the one we got. The primary logo features an image of William Penn throwing a baseball from atop City Hall. I placed Penn and the spire in a keystone shape, as Pennsylvania is the "Keystone State." While I know some may argue that the Pirates already use the keystone image, let's assume that the Phillies beat them to the punch (much like the Flyers did to the Penguins). I used a dark royal, to differentiate the team from the other royal/yellow teams I've done/will do. The uniforms are not that strange. I decided to experiment with a pinstripe-less look, instead opting for double stripes on the sleeves. The gray uniform has a light blue tint, as I thought it looked nice for this color scheme. The alternates feature a little bit of speculation. While the royal blue top is not all that fancy, the powder blue set is more interesting. It's my speculation on what the "swirly-P" set would have looked like in this color scheme/color balance. A recolored/keystone version of Phil and Phyllis appears. I went for a "Spirit of '76" vibe - beating out a "honor a complex figure in Pennsylvania's history" one. The "swirly-P" has been subbed out for the jersey "P," as the baseball seams did not play well with an outline. I also followed @the admiral's recommendation for Wilson Varsity Font for the uniforms, as I too don't like the old Phillies' custom font (and Wilson Varsity had precedent with the maroon Phillies identity). This was a fun way for me to reference the history of Philadelphia, without having to use American Revolution imagery. C+C is appreciated! Up next, we head to the other side of Pennsylvania for the Pittsburgh Pirates! P.S. This is a really cool article about how the Phillies rise coincided with the A's falling apart in Philadelphia because of the Mack family's squabbles/Connie Mack not having a clue when it came to quitting. They may have been the Spanoses of their day.
  24. Yikes. That really wouldn't fly. I guess go for an Elf in the style of @andrewharrington's avatar or a version of the football logo with a "C" that doesn't look like the Indians' "C."