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  1. You got that right! Judging by your posts on the Rangers, I have a feeling you'll like my alternate take on them. I'm sorry @JH42XCC, but there's only room for one bear team. Besides, Memphis in the NBA and the AAA Frezno Grizzlies rock the name better than anybody else. I prefer unique names when I can get them. I don't usually like ripping off flag designs, but I'll give the Oakland flag tree a whirl in the roundel. SEATTLE MARINERS, PT. I - Evolution and double teal While I like the Mariners' current set, I've long advocated for the team to treat teal like the Orioles treat orange. Make it the primary color of the scripts, numbers, and NOB's, while also wearing the gorgeous teal-billed hat on both the home and road uniforms. I even made a concept with that idea in mind. However, I realized that there were other problems with the team. I really didn't want to have another navy team in the league. I wanted to go with a dark slate blue and a minty teal, but I threw that out after I realized there wasn't enough contrast. So, I opted to try something new - double teal (something I've loved since @Go Red Sox!'s Sharks concept). I suggested it in @Victormrey's thread, and I loved how it looked. A dark teal and a mint teal are the new colors, while silver sees its role lessened in the identity (the color contrast eliminates silver's necessity). When @raysox pointed out the problems with that Friz Quadrata font (which was everywhere in 1990's sports branding, like Matrix), I had to change it up. I used a modified version of Badger Light (from my Pilots concept), swapping out the slab-serifs for sharp ones. It lines up with the team's history (the trident-era font), while also looking "cleaner" than Friz Quadrata. This was also the perfect opportunity to go for two-color wordmarks instead of three-color, as three is a bit much for the Mariners. I also used this as an opportunity to hone the look, with some extensive help from @Go Red Sox! (thank you so much for your advice). Gone is the busy compass rose in the "S" and the imbalance of the "S" on the top and bottom serifs (I can't unsee it) as an anchor takes its place. It's nautical, while also being simpler. The compass rose returns for the secondary logo, featuring the skyline of Seattle from my Pilots concept (with the addition of Mt. Rainier from the 30th Anniversary patch) and the anchor. The teritary is a closeup on my modernized - and rightside up - trident (upside down tridents are bad luck, after all). I'm modeling the concept with the flat silver, as metallic silver looks terrible on computer displays. The uniform template hasn't changed much from my previous concept, aside from the new colors and fonts. I went with the Dallas Stars' NOB font again, as I like its blockiness. In a touch inspired by @Lights Out, the trident appears on the top of the pants stripe. The alternates are also similar to my previous concept. I used white text instead of silver on the mint teal jersey (as silver is downplayed in my set), and the dark teal top now has the teritary logo and the standard cap. I added a recreation of the 1994-96 teal-crowned cap for use with the home whites (pairing it with the mint teal top was a little much). I also decided to dump the royal/yellow retro set (which misuses creme, has poor beveling in the compass rose, and it throws back to a beyond-crummy period of Seattle's baseball history). I replaced with a mint teal-centric fauxback to the 1955 PCL Seattle Rainiers (the last Seattle baseball team to win a championship). This way, the "retro brand" reinforces the color scheme and pays tribute to the vintage PCL. It's an evolution of the Mariners' brand away from the 1990's, emphasizing new fonts and brighter/less "stock" colors. It also pays tribute to the history of Seattle baseball, in a subtle and tasteful way. C+C is greatly appreciated, as always! For the alternate take, modernizing the Mariners in royal and yellow!
  2. Yeah, that's probably a better way to put it. Durant would have to be a total world-beater if he wants to get on that list (Mays, Montana, Rice, and Posey - the catalyst for the Giants' recent run of success - championships mean more than the home run record). Even then, the Warriors' amorphous location and the Niners' move to Santa Clara mean that list is in flux.
  3. True, but he doesn't exude the same Oakland-ness that Barry and Mullin did. The San Francisco arena talk started while Curry was just starting to realize his potential. The "Oakland" Curry is a guy who played no defense and had weak ankles.
  4. The whole "about to move to an arena in San Francisco" thing disqualifies Curry.
  5. Mets: I like the black/pink! I'm not sold on the skyline socks or the 1987 script (modifying the 1993-94 script - my mockup - to lose the tail would be a better option), but I still think it looks good. Yankees: I'm sorry to put it this flatly, but the striped socks are terrible. They ruin the home and road uniform (especially with the stripped-down look you wanted). The alternates are good, but some kind of throwback would be way better than navy softball tops. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but those socks are not good.
  6. The Twins have a perfect starting point for a new uniform right here: A "Twins" script in this font on pinstripes (with a similar color balance) would be gorgeous. I could do without the contrasting numbers and bill, but everything else is a fantastic bedrock for a good uniform.
  7. Thanks! My solution to the Sens' problem was to cram an illustration of the Peace Tower into it. I'm thinking of adding an "OAKLAND" wordmark around the ball in the elephant logo. Thanks for the C+C guys, and now it's time for the alternate take! OAKLAND OAKS, PT. II - PCL love in Forest Green and Athletic Gold While I love the A's in Kelly Green, I also love them in Forest Green. I like the way it contrasts with the gold (to the point of not needing outlines), and it has more of an old-fashioned look to it (if that makes sense). In trying to find a way to have Forest Green in the A's uniform set, I opted to revive the Pacific Coast League Oakland Oaks! I'm a retro PCL nerd (which is part of the reason why I had a hard time letting go of the "Los Angeles Angels" name), and I've always liked the various Oaks looks from their history. Therefore, the premise of this concept is that the A's changed their name upon relocating from Kansas City (even though the "Athletics" name is the most portable nickname in sports). The Oak's history with Old English "O" logos made them match up well with the Athletics, as well as their brief flirtation with green in their color scheme. I used the Forest Green from the Stingrays, as the A's Forest Green shade (3308 C) is too blue-ish for my tastes. The oak tree on a hill (for the Oakland Hills) with the Old English O is the focus of the roundel, with acorns on the side and Carton font in the border. The tertiary logo features an acorn in a diamond pattern. The uniforms aren't all that different from my A's concept. I modded the "Oakland" script with the "s" from the "Athletics" wordmark, complete with tail. The PCL Oaks used a short script with a tail, so I thought it worked here as well. The caps draw inspiration from the A's 1994-2013 road cap. While it was a bad cap for the A's (given the storied history of the home cap), it fit perfectly for the green-heavy Oaks. I also opted to use green cleats, as white shoes didn't fit with the identity. The alternates are similar to the 2011-2013 A's alternates, with a recreation of the A's current home cap on the home alt and an outline-less road alt. Merging the A's and the Oaks was the perfect way to make a Forest Green-heavy concept, which honored the history of both clubs. C+C is much appreciated, as always. Up next, the Seattle Mariners!
  8. Don't forget the PQ's rise to power, Bill 101, and the failed Quebec Independence referendum as factors in the Expos' downfall. While there are many Francophone Expos fans, the decline in the Anglophone population did not help matters. Both the White Sox and Mariners nearly moved to Tampa Bay, until the White Sox got their stadium and Nintendo bought the Mariners. The Giants' then-owner, Bob Lurie, was in the process of selling the team to a Tampa Bay ownership group (led by Vince Naimoli, the first primary owner of the Rays) until San Francisco officials pressured the league into blocking the sale.
  9. Oakland - Rickey Henderson, Ken Stabler, Rick Barry, and Gene Upshaw (honorable mentions: Rollie Fingers, Chris Mullin, and Jack Tatum)
  10. One was plenty, two was just overexposure. Under good ownership, a team could thrive in Florida. However, both teams have had shoddy ownership. The Marlins have had to deal with off-field problems with their owners and the scams that Loria pulled to get their current stadium built. The Rays moved into a horrendous stadium in a less-than-ideal location with the Tampa Bay Area (St. Petersburg) which has hampered their ability to be competitive. If anything, have a team in either Miami or Tampa and use that other 1990's expansion slot on a D.C. team. That way, there may be a small chance of the Expos sticking around in Montreal.
  11. Just because you can make it complex doesn't mean you should. While complex isn't bad at all, it takes a deft touch to make it work. Without it, you get some nasty gunk.
  12. Thanks! Going light blue-centric was a last minute decision, and I think a super light blue look would make for a fine little experiment (for after the AL is done). Thanks guys! I'm going to be making an "inverted" version of the set in an update. @Lights Out, I liked your purple/gold Twins concept. Those harlequin BP jerseys were fantastic! If I hadn't used that color scheme on the Royals, I would've probably had the Twins wear it (because purple and yellow's contrast would have made an old-style "TC" logo look fantastic). I thought about that, and I think I can mock it up at some point. I'd probably use the "M" hat with it, to avoid redundancy. Thank you! Funny thing is, I've done a Timberwolves concept with a similar color scheme (it's my favorite NBA concept I've produced). The strong blue was part of my attempt to have a blue that contrasted better with a grey/white background, and yeah, a lighter powder would have been a better choice in some applications. Also, I offer a general apology for my dickish tirade a few posts ago. It was ill thought-out of me, and I am sorry. Anyway, Oak-town time! OAKLAND ATHLETICS, PT. I - The Kings of Kelly The A's have rarely had a bad look in their history, and I love their current uniforms (the sock stripes of the 1960's uniforms enhanced them a bunch). However, I also love the Kelly Green of the 1960's-early 1980's. I'm torn between whether or not I want them to switch back to Kelly Green or stick with Forest Green. Kelly won out, on the condition that the A's could own that color in baseball. I've already done an A's concept with the same basic idea (current identity mixed with Kelly - Pantone 349 C from my Stars and Supersonics concepts those curious), but I felt I could go further. The elephant crest (which is still white, per the origin story of the logo) is now the primary, and I've dumped the roundel in favor of an Old English "O," done up in the style of the gorgeous 1968 wordmark (I teased it here). A bit more "Oakland" in the identity is a good move, given the A's "Rooted in Oakland" campaign this year. I've tweaked the "A's" logo a bit, to make it more narrow and more receptive to outlines, without it being all "gangly" like the current logo. Here are comparisons of the new logo with previous ones, in outlined and non-outlined forms. The uniforms from my previous concepts return, with the updated "A's" insignia. I also carried over the simplified Old English "O" onto the "Oakland" script (as others have done, like Lights Out), for consistency with the home wordmark. The model number is #35, for Rickey Henderson's original uniform number with the team. The alternates have also received a small update, with the new "A's" logo on the jerseys and the Old English "O" cap on the green alternate. I wanted to do something like that for an alternate cap, as a way to get one city-centric cap into the set and have some city signifier for the alt's use on the road. Kelly Green needs more exposure in sports, and the A's are the perfect team to carry the Kelly torch! C+C is greatly appreciated, as always. For the alternate take, you'll get Forest Green and Athletic Gold with an Oakland-centric twist!
  13. I'm sorry to be a stickler here, but it was the prototype that would have been worn by the Padres after moving from San Diego to Washington. It's a little detail correction. I like the design as a whole, but there are a few tweaks that could push it over the top. Tweaking the "DC" logo to better match the drop-shadow "W," using the drop-shadow "W" on the caps, and maybe using a different block font for the numbers would be good ideas. Aside from that, I like the unorthodox take.
  14. Well, your summons worked! Nashville: I kind of agree with @scottyeagle that black/red is probably a good way to go. You haven't used it for any of your other concepts, so it fits with your "all unique color schemes" objective. However, you should put your own spin on it with one of the brown or orange colors as accents/shading. The grey doesn't go well with the orange/powder. Might I recommend re-purposing orange/powder for another team? The logos really could use a little simplification. This is less a problem I have with your concept, and more a problem with the original design. Maybe dumping some of the additional outlines/drop shadows would be a good idea. It would also alleviate the problem I have with concept artists just reusing minor league team logos for expansion teams. I'd get rid of the "Music City" wordmark, but that's just personal preference. I like the music notation pattern (especially on the orange alternate), and the font choice. I don't want to sound too negative, but this one was kind of a miss for me. New Orleans: I really like what you've done here! The teal (which "jives" more with purple than green) and pale gold look fantastic with purple, and I'm a sucker for patterned trim (no joke, I would want a pair of those teal socks). The font choices/modifications are solid, and I do like that you incorporated the good bits of the Baby Cakes identity. My one complaint is that the bill on the green alternate's cap should be purple, for consistency's sake (the cap bill matching the fleur-de-lis' color). Good work!
  15. The thing with Kareem is that he's more remembered as a Laker/UCLA Bruin than as a Buck. If there's going to be any Buck on the list, it'd probably be Oscar Robertson or Ray Allen. Even then, I'd be tempted to have a famed Marquette basketball player in over them (i.e. George Thompson - for his work with the team after his playing days, Bo Ellis, or even Dwayne Wade).
  16. He might rejoin the bullpen, should Strickland be sent to Tampa in exchange for prospects and a certain guy with Achilles problems and a big orange cat.
  17. I'm a wordy guy, who enjoys explaining out all of what I do as a means of justifying it. I could have reduced it to a few sentences, but I like exploring the process a bit more. The reason I called out you (and several other Twins fans) for getting "worked up" was because of how closed-minded you guys were to the mere suggestion that the TC is not a perfect logo. Screaming "hands off" does not strike me as the action of somebody who has an open mind to changes in their team's identity. Rather, it makes it look like you're unable to engage in a thoughtful dialogue on aesthetics. I wouldn't call myself disdainful of opposing viewpoints at all. Heck, I like incorporating updates into my work, and I like people challenging my stances. It gives me a chance to understand where they're coming from and why they think that way. It also helps to nuance my viewpoints, so that I may express them better. Take a look at how I came around to the name "Anaheim Angels" after years of being pro-"Los Angeles Angels." However, I loathe when fans insist that any logo is untouchable and aren't open to any suggestions of alterations. I'm open to people switching things (read: any elements of the team's identity) up for the Giants, and I consider them to have one of the best looks in the game. Twins fans could do with a little loosening up (see how MJD7 has opened up to changing the TC). Maybe I got pissy in expressing my distaste, but that's only because I noticed hardheaded attitude more in Twins fans than in other fanbases. I apologize if I came off as confrontational and for adding that North Stars dig. Thanks! Yeah, the "M" doesn't work that well as a patch. However, just putting the "TC" on the uniform is a little too simple/redundant for my liking. I have a feeling you'll like my solution. I thought about having yellow, but that would make the logo look messier than it did before. The silver allows the ball/script to stand out a bit more. As for the amount of white on the hat, that's why the road uniform has those large sock stripes. That's where the white comes from on the uniform. Besides, you see white cap logos on uniforms without white/barely any white all the time (i.e. Dodgers, Braves, Cardinals, etc.). Increasing the amount of red makes them look too much like the Red Sox and Indians (the navy/red teams need to have diverse color distributions). I figured that the TC and the color distribution wouldn't be popular with everybody, and that's OK. Anyway, alternate take time! TWIN CITIES TWINS, PT. II - A historical twist and regional colors I dislike teams using state names as identifiers. While I make an exception for Minnesota (due to the nature of Minneapolis and St. Paul), these alternate takes provide an opportunity for some experimentation. I decided to use that racist jackass Calvin Griffith's planned name for the Minnesota Twins, the Twin Cities Twins. While that name may be one of the most redundant city/team names ever (edging out Los Angeles Angels), I wanted to see in action. I also wanted to do a blue/green color scheme for the team (as these alternate takes are all about "death to navy/red"). @MJD7 has done a good job with royal/kelly, @dsaline97 used the navy/kelly colorway (click "open image in new tab" to stick it to Photobucket), and I have a little history with this color scheme as well, even if it had the "janky" script. I opted for Forest Green (same shade from my Red Sox alternate take) and Light Blue (used by the '97-'04 Utah Jazz). I distributed the colors in the same manner as the 1987-2009 uniforms, with green and blue being co-dominant. This colorway separates them from my Stingrays concept. The primary mark is a merger of the 1961-86 sleeve patch (see admiral's post above) and the state logo. I also added a roundel, with the names of the Twin Cities and the founding date. The uniforms are pretty much the same as the first concept, but with the colors swapped out and the addition of the "Twin Cities" cursive script (made with letters from the "Minnesota" script and the "C" from Fenway Park JF). The alternates are pretty simple. The blue jersey has a blue-crowned cap in tribute to the 1976-86 home cap, while the green top has the "Twin Cities" wordmark and the tertiary logo (to work on both home and road settings). The sleeve patch will also appear on the navy/red update. While I'm not a big fan of the "Twin Cities Twins" name, I still thought the moniker and the color scheme were made for a interesting "alternate takes." C+C is greatly appreciated, as always! Up next, the Oakland Athletics!
  18. Bleep Bartolo Colon. The "has multiple families (due to infidelity) and doesn't want to pay for all of them" thing is just something I can't get past. The sooner he's out of baseball, the better. Also, I know this is an unpopular opinion, but Vlad should get into Cooperstown as an Angel. He won his MVP in Anaheim, had a bunch of accolades/peaked there, and nobody in the Hall of Fame has an Angels plaque (although Nolan Ryan and maybe Rod Carew should).
  19. Isn't it funny that all of the talk about how "dated" the logos are and the "appropriateness" of the Rockies-inspired look stopped when the new uniforms came out?
  20. I have a feeling that Buster Posey will probably knock Steve Young off of the list soon. As for the other places I've lived: Milwaukee (counting the Packers) - Aaron Rodgers, Bart Starr, Bret Favre, Hank Aaron, and Robin Yount (I'd swap Favre for Marquette's Al McGuire, if we're counting coaches) Portland/Oregon - Bill Walton, Clyde Drexler, Terry Porter, Steve Prefontaine (track & field, but he still counts), and maybe Phil Knight (again, can owners/donors count?)
  21. I get that Nuñez is getting traded, but to bring back a guy who scorched all of his bridges with the Giants? At least people can wear the silly panda hats again.
  22. Thanks. I'll incorporate that into an update (given the patch and sock stripe designs)! Now, onto a concept that's sure to piss several people off! MINNESOTA TWINS, PT. I - Completing the Target Field-ization Let's get this one out of the way; I don't like the "classic" TC logo. I'll explain: Said negative reaction to the idea of changing the TC into a more cohesive and "modern" logo included such gems as these: I was surprised with how defensive some Twins fans get when you dare suggest that the TC isn't a perfect logo. Guys, just because an insignia has been around for a long time doesn't mean it can't change with the times. Then again, when you consider how some Twins fans wish for the Wild to take on the North Stars' name and steal the North Stars' mediocre history away from the (Stanley Cup-winning) Dallas Stars, such nasty attitudes don't seem out of place. Also, people will try to "fix" @the admiral's concept and proceed to miss the point of it (i.e. establishing a consistent color distribution and cleaning up the logo's details). I liked admiral's solution to the Twins' identity issue (i.e. consistent script fonts and tails and a navy/white/red colorway with no red text or alternates) and his TC logo, so I sought to perfect it. My first attempt did not go over well. My logo had the same inconsistent weights I maligned the old TC for using, and the top bar of the "T" (taken from the janky throwback script) looked dreadful. For my second take, I used the 1987/2010-present wordmark's "T" and made all of the line weights consistent.I used a wider slab-serif "C," for better balance with the "T." The outlines are now layered, to make the interlocking clear. It keeps the dimensions of the current logo, while also eliminating the strikes against it. Said strikes are the red "C" blurring into navy backgrounds and distracting from the navy "T," inconsistent line weights, and the presence of the Reds' "Wishbone C" logo - which should be the Reds' and Bears' logo alone. Here is a comparison between my latest update and the previous iterations of the insignia. One thing I did keep from my recent concept was the redesign of the "Twins" script to match the cursive lettering on the beautiful road uniforms better. However, I tweaked it further to include the T's top bar from the 1987/2010-present wordmark. It helps to tie the set together, while also making for more fluid lines. With these changes, the "Target Field-ization" of the Twins' identity (read: modernization of the 1961-71 uniforms and incorporation of small elements of the Metrodome-era look - like the top bar of the "T" and presence of navy alternates) is complete. Here is a comparison of the scripts. I've also lightened the red, so it shows up more in contrast with the navy. The logos return from my previous concept (the Minnesota primary and the cursive "M"). I used Rockwell Bold for the wordmark, to link it to the TC. The state logo brings back yellow, and the cursive "M" has a new colorway. The uniforms have not changed much. I restored the pinstripes at home, added a tail to the "Minnesota" script (I hate the underlines), and and placed the Minnesota primary on both jerseys. The home uniform ditches its sock stripes, as they do not pair well with pinstripes (the White Sox are the lone exception). I tweaked the thickness of the sock stripes on the roadie, which draw inspiration from the Vikings' classic sleeve stripes. The number font is the same "Varsity Classic A" as the Royals concept because I like it more than the "Block with Serifs" font that the Twins use. The alternates feature a few surprises. The navy alternate now uses the "M" logo as a sleeve patch (as a city/state signifier - the primary didn't look right on the uniform), and has pinstripe-less pants at home. The road faux-back addresses my issue with the Twins franchise, which is their disinterest in acknowledging their history as the Washington Senators MK. I/AL Nationals. This franchise won the 1924 World Series, netted the 1933 American League Pennant, and featured Walter Johnson - arguably the best pitcher to play the game (even by modern standards). They deserve a little tribute from the Twins. So, I made a tribute to the rise shadow/"Damn Yankees" uniforms of 1956-58 (my favorite Senators/Nationals uniforms). I also gave the uniform pinstripes and an "M" cap, as a tribute to the Twins' 1987-2009 road pinstripes (a "guilty pleasure" uniform of mine). I also prepared the uniform on an action template, for a better illustration. I get that changing the TC is not a popular decision, but I stand by it. Just because it has been around for five decades does not mean that it is a perfect logo. The new TC forms an important part of the Target Field-ization, alongside the cleaned-up scripts, consistent color balance, and subtle tributes to the Metrodome/1987 and 1991 and the franchise's history in DC. C+C is greatly appreciated, as always! For the alternate take, a new color scheme and a historical spin on the Twins' name!
  23. The Falcons got it right from 1966-70 (black bird, white bird, and stripes), and all of their uniforms since then have been downgrades. The current set is their best since the '67-'70 uniforms, if only because the helmet contrasts the jersey color.
  24. I think you've done well with the Expos! The thicker striping, bolder numbers, and better-defined uniform combinations are really good. My only criticism would be that the "expos" wordmark on the home uniform get replaced by the "Meb" on it's own. I like how it looks on the red alternate, and the logo's brand equity makes it an effective substitute for the name. Good work, and I'm looking forward to the expansion team.
  25. It's nice to see this series back in action! While I like the return of powder blue and the return of the "Montreal" script, I have some problems with it. The red tops on the socks are unnecessary, as are the racing stripes (asymmetrical cuff stripes would be better) and the "dated" font. I agree with @coco1997's points about preferring a block font and toning down the red alternate (perhaps with more blue details). Still, these are minor flaws. These tweaks might punch it up a bit.