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  1. Well, we haven’t heard a peep about Kane’s “troubles” since the case that went so delightfully wrong for the alleged victim. Kane will be fine.
  2. That’s why the sections need to be merged again. Was it @CC97’s call for the split, or do the mods realize how unpopular the split was?
  3. My thought (many years ago) was to do dark green/slate blue/light green. I still stand by it, especially that tree-trim design.
  4. @Go Red Sox! did great logos for the Sharks. I like the superimposition over the triangle (easier to center) and the new fin.
  5. That’s the whole “new Shark” in a nutshell. Amateurish. The shark-in-triangle has nearly 30 years of brand equity. It has to stay, albeit done better than the two previous iterations.
  6. Don’t snakes hear through vibrations in their skull (I.e., they can’t hear airborne vibrations)? The rhythm section produces the vibes, which they can hear.
  7. OKLAHOMA CITY’ 89ERS - Catching the Oklahoman Dream This identity opts for the classic Oklahoma City baseball team name, with the sobriquet referencing the city’s founding date of 1889 (within the Land Rush of 1889). This identity had a long history in Oklahoma City, ending in 1997 with the American Association’s dissolution. Given that Loria owned the ‘89ers from 1989-93, perhaps it would have behooved him to adopt this identity. While the name may have a bit of a “colonial” connotation, it’s about on the same level as Padres or 49ers when it comes to the “colonial” stuff (as in, not as awful as “Conquistadors”). The primary logo takes influence from the flag’s buffalo skin shield (mistakenly referred to as a “dreamcatcher” by many). I divorced it from being a direct reference by reducing the feather amount from seven to five and making them alternating colors. The top half of the design includes the Survivor Tree, an American elm that survived the Oklahoma City Bombing. It has become a civic symbol in the years since Noddle McVeigh and company killed 168 people because “Patriot Movement”/”revenge for Waco and Ruby Ridge”/other Turner Diaries-influenced trash - linked here is a relevant Last Podcast on the Left series. The rendering used here is from the OKC Dodgers’ memorial for the 168 victims/Oklahoma City National Memorial Museum. The lower half has two baseballs with the interlocking OKC. The tertiary logo is a textless version of the primary. The uniforms are the same as the Twisters, but with new patches and an “‘89ers” wordmark on the home uniform. I didn’t want to use a placket design or the “Niners” wordmark of the past. The placket just felt “off” in Caniste Semibold, and “Niners” kinda infringes on the 49ers. Alternates carry over from the Twisters. The black alternate now features two-color versions of the lettering and interlocking insignia, for a small change-of-pace (as there was more white in the logo than for the Twisters). The tertiary is on its sleeve. The retro uniform is of the early-’90s 89ers (see pictures of Steve Balboni and this Barry Goetz card), with separate cap and jersey logos of ostensibly the same design. My favorite part of this design was the extensive work I undertook to recreate the Clarendon variant with drop shadows used by the 89ers. A combination of the 1996 American Association Playoffs and numerous WorthPoint auctions produced enough evidence to recreate the font close enough. The main jacket is a minor patch swap of the Twisters’ design, while the retro version updates this OKC 89ers jacket. Oklahoma City baseball, either with a heritage identity or a new one, could have been fantastic for MLB. Heck, if anything, bringing back the ‘89ers like this would be welcome once the Dodgers sell the OKC Dodgers. C+C is appreciated, as always! I've also got the "reclamation" material for the '90s 89ers right here. Can I just say that I find this identity really bland? Like, I get that the team was a Rangers affiliate and wanted/needed to use Rangers colors, but the Clarendon mixes poorly with the "side-shadows" and the recolorings generally look awful. Heck, a more direct early-'90s Rangers clone design would have looked better. Up next, the Marlins’ most desired destination, San Antonio! Big Sidebar, relating to the "dreamcatcher" part of the identity and a "person of interest" I did a deep dive on during my Defunct Saga break. My latest experience with dreamcatchers has been that one was a curious background feature of one of the worst apology videos ever put onto YouTube (look to the right of him). Bloomingdale, Illinois’ scene-alternative musician/Glenbard North alumnus Austin Jones had one in his window for “Setting the Record Straight.” The video features him trying to excuse his pressuring of underage fans into giving him twerking videos. According to him, it was the result of his deeply traumatic childhood. He also suicide baited and painted his accusers’ supporters as little more than “bullies.” It's in spoiler tags, since it's a bit of an investment. It’s a sight to behold, this video. He escalated his behavior (into straight-up CP) before receiving a ten-year prison sentence last year. It’s mildly ironic to see a dreamcatcher in this nightmare-giver’s window given the cultural significance of these items. This wretched story is well-covered by The Right Opinion and Damon “deefizzy” Ford (the guy who outed Austin as a nonce). I even made a video on it (video-editing is something I do when I'm not on the concepts train)! “Eminence Front” felt right, ya know?
  8. OKLAHOMA CITY TWISTERS - A twist from the mists of the past A fresh-faced Jeffrey Loria as owner of the Oklahoma City 89ers, circa 1989-1993 One of the many stops on the Marlins’ relocation threat tour was Oklahoma City, a place that had a personal connection to Jeffrey Loria. He got his baseball ownership start in OKC, as the owner of the AAA Oklahoma City 89ers from 1989 to 1993.1 A return to the city, especially after OKC’s warm reception to the Hornets, would seem like a good idea. Then-Lt. Gov. Mary Fallin of Oklahoma reached out to the Marlins in November 2005 regarding a potential move to the city. By February 2006, it was out in the open that Fallin had made contact, outlining that she had investors lined up to potentially aid in the relocation.2 Of course, any relocation plan would have required the expansion or demolition of the OKC RedHawks (now OKC Dodgers)’ Bricktown Ballpark. Unfortunately for Oklahoma City, the Marlins never paid the city a visit during the tour. By May 2006, Fallin withdrew her intentions to draw the Marlins to OKC. The stadium would have been $350 million at the minimum (for a “38,700-seat venue with 69 suites and would include a stadium club, a sports bar restaurant and a parking lot with 15,000 spaces”). Instead, the state focused on gaining an NBA team, which eventually happened with the Thunder.3 In the long run, pursuing an NBA team was probably a better choice for Oklahoma City than gaining an MLB club. It shouldn’t have come at the expense of the Sonics (I for one enjoyed the stripping of the Thunder like a junkyard Fox Body Mustang), but that’s a rant for another day. However, what if Loria and company took Fallin seriously and that $350 million venue came into being? What would OKC MLB look like? I wanted to go with a local-themed sobriquet, with two options coming to mind. The first is the entirely new team, the Twisters, while the second concept revives the ‘89ers identity. Both brands use the Thunder’s Oklahoma Blue (from the state flag) and Reddish-Orange, alongside black (because this is still the Marlins, after all). I opted for a base font for both concepts, namely the Caniste Semibold of the Florida White Sox/Tampa Bay Cannons. It fits well as a 19th century-influenced font. The primary logo is a roundel with a twister inside it. The twister on its own is a tertiary, while the secondary mark is the interlocking “OKC.” The uniforms feature tri-layer lettering and striping, with the orange/black/blue/black/orange pattern on white/gray backgrounds. I opted for a stacked “Oklahoma City” wordmark, as a carryover from the 1989-96 89ers. The Oklahoma Blue is the primary color for the caps and accessories, as it could be “their” color in MLB. Alternates include both orange and blue tops. The orange top has the twister on its own, while the blue shirt features the “OKC” interlocking logo. The second set of alternates include a black jersey, featuring a black cap with a blue bill and black accessories. The creme alternate does an Oklahoma Blue/Reddish-Orange co-balance color scheme (influenced by Cleveland AL’s 1940s uniform). The script text is modified Buinton. Jackets include the main design with the road wordmark and trim stripes. The retro alternate has orange sleeves, with the “vintage” logo on the back and the “OKC” on the sleeve. Oklahoma City MLB can look fantastic, especially with that “Oklahoma Blue” color to use. While “Twisters” is an appropriate name, it’s not my favorite. This is where we’ll get into the ‘89ers! 1 Barry Jackson, “Oklahoma City Move Is in the Talking Stage,” Miami Herald, The, February 17, 2006, sec. Sports. 2 Bob Hersom and Michael McNutt, “Fallin Trying to Reel in Marlins - City’s Corporate, Fan Support of the Hornets Got Lieutenant Govenor Thinking,” Oklahoman, The, February 17, 2006, sec. SPORTS; Steven Wine, “Marlins’ Future up in the Air,” Oklahoman, The, April 12, 2006, sec. SPORTS. 3 Michael McNutt, “State Not Trying to Lure Marlins, Fallin Says,” Oklahoman, The, May 26, 2006, sec. NEWS.
  9. Well hey, that's part of the plan! It wasn't initially, but I think I can get around to that. I've got things in the pipelines (fictional stuff, several A's relocations and updates, that Milwaukee-to-DC thing, the TB-MTL proposal, and some additional updates) and it can fit well into the system. Thanks, guys! I'm glad you like the updates and the Hornets colors (using the proper purple, I might add). I don't think it's as good as what HatClub offers up, so I'm flattered by the comparison. Thanks! My thought process behind the gold text with black outline was a metallic version of this: I get that it might not work for some, but I think I'll stick with it (along with keeping the cap logo and wordmark separate - it'd be a bit too "overboard"). I definitely agree with you on the front numbers, which is why I made them gold (contrast wasn't needed). I also made the NOB silver on the alternate (like @MJD7 suggested), as white really didn't need to be on that design. I like that a lot more. I'm glad I got that apology out of my system. I've largely stepped away from the stuff that wore on me so much, which has improved my mental state (which is especially important ATM and I'll leave it at that). Thanks! Let's just say that Hobbs' team is on the list soon. Thanks! The OKC stuff should be up by the end of the night.
  10. Atlanta gets a Marty Jannetty-an amount of chances as an NHL market. But, much like Jannetty, serious screw-ups keep happening. The "what if" game is fun and all, but in the end, Atlanta as a hockey market just had fundamental problems with demographics, marketability, and place within the sports landscape of the region. They were an upstart competing with the more-established Hawks, Falcons, Braves, and arguably UGA/GT athletics. Atlanta United doing as well as they have is likely due to both MLS novelty and the immediate success of the team (unlike the Thrashers). Tampa Bay did it right, once they got rid of Yakuza ownership. Nashville came around to doing it better. Carolina isn't beyond saving. Atlanta? Much like Jannetty and long-term sobriety, it just isn't happening.
  11. Yeah, I have a rule about only using Wikipedia to look for cited sources within the article. More often than not, I discard said sources to use periodical research.
  12. Man, it’s gonna be fun when Giannis leaves Milwaukee for the Western Conference.
  13. I do wonder if the third will return. Part of me wants to see it buried, but part of me wants it sticking around.
  14. Replacing the dark green with a light turquoise is an excellent idea! It really gives the set a "livened-up" look and would make for an excellent third sweater.
  15. Yeah, which the Coyotes got. Let’s get out before we violate rule four, agreed?
  16. Thanks, guys! I'm glad you liked it. I totally get how the knight's helm and the "C" look awkward. I've revised them for the update. Thanks! It's good to be back. Thanks. I needed time away to reassess myself and realize how much of a Social Repose I was being. I'd apologize repeatedly without ever truly meaning it or changing my behavior. I'm glad that's behind me now. Thanks! I really do find that the Sox have some good-looking affiliates. I decided that contrasting numbers were a good trick, with white replacing gray on the gray jersey. It kind of works, IMO. As for the "C" designs you showed, I've incorporated them into the retro uniform! So here's the update. I've incorporated a new "C" with a knights' plume and a new knight helmet based upon this design. I incorporated @QCS' suggestion for a pinstriped home uniform and added a new shield with the pinstripes, knight's helmet, and a flag that combines the Charlotte flag with the Charlotte crown (inspired by QCS' Project CLT series). Also, using @coco1997's suggestion, I used a 1909-30 Reds-styled "fancy C" on the retro uniform. I also made a Charlotte Hornets-colored version of the set. The OKC teams should be up soon.
  17. Didn't @Sterling84v2.0 have a whole rant about how the "current" Coyote looks like its skull has been crushed or something? It's fine, but it's lacking the character of the Kachina design. I wish the Suns, Cardinals, and Diamondbacks would follow the Coyotes towards a Southwestern Native American art style. It's so much more appealing than this: Arizona has such a fantastic regional look. Use it. Justin McKeever nailed that Cardinals design.
  18. I'd say the same thing about the Sharks, but neither crest is particularly good. Combine the two and maybe you'd have something?
  19. Thank you guys for being so understanding, it really means a lot to me. CHARLOTTE HORNETS - Queen City Close Call After brief consideration during the Twins’ ill-fated Carolina venture (read more here), Charlotte began concentrating on an MLB stadium. The AAA Knights’ venue was aging, and in poor repair, so it made sense to go all-in with an upgrade. When the Marlins’ David Samson began touring various cities around the US, Charlotte was on the list. In April 2006, real estate lawyer Jerry Reese had a plan for a 38,000-seat retractable-roof venue in the uptown/Second Ward of Charlotte. That stadium would be the cornerstone of a $600 million-$700 million redevelopment called The Brooklyn Renaissance Project (which included condos and more retail space).1 However, the plan competed with a rival proposal to construct a stadium for the minor-league Charlotte Knights in the Third Ward of Charlotte.2 The city government, namely the mayor, wasn’t inclined to support the MLB plan. By the end of 2006, the city decided to move ahead with the $35 million stadium plan for the Knights.3 Reese criticized the city for this move and later sued to block the land transfers as “the deals were a sham that shortchanged taxpayers by not selling to developers for a higher price,” among other claims.4 That project would eventually become BB&T Ballpark, arguably one of the best minor league stadiums in the sport. Ultimately, Reese’s plan might have worked in the long-run. While financial statistics do not indicate that Charlotte could have supported MLB in the mid-’00s, trends would indicate that support could eventually arrive.5 Perhaps Reese was right to criticize Charlotte’s city government for backing out of an MLB plan, especially when we see the struggles of both the Marlins and Rays. However, banking on the Marlins’ game of baiting other cities was an ill-thought-out idea. But what if the Marlins were serious? What if Reese got his stadium plan done and brought MLB to Charlotte? Given the long history of the Knights name (dating back to 1989), I thought it would be best to keep the sobriquet and the medieval aesthetic. The colors are the current Knights’ colors, with the provision that gold, silver, and white never touch. Taking inspiration from this novelty helmet, a few blackletter fonts, and this knight’s helmet plume, I crafted both a logo and a wordmark font for the team. The primary uses a shield with the helmet and an Old English C, while the cap logo is that same gold Old English C paired with a silver and white plume. The uniforms use a simple placket and sleeve trim template. Wordmarks and rear numbers are gold with a black outline, while the front numbers are silver or white with a black outline. The number font is a modified version of the Tar Heels font I’ve used previously for the Reds. Sock stripes feature an asymmetrical design, with a black/white/back pattern sandwiched between a large gold and a large silver stripe. The alternates include a black jersey with the cap logo on the chest and the tertiary on the sleeve. A creme alternate also appears, mimicking the Charlotte Hornets of the 1960s. It reuses some elements from my old Carolina Pilots design. Outerwear reflects the sock stripes and the “no-touch” trick. Charlotte is lucky in having as good a minor league identity as the Knights. It only takes a little bit of work to get it up to the major league level. C+C is appreciated, as always! Up next, an Oklahoma City trip. 1 Peter Smolowitz and Stan Choe, “Big Pitch: Ballpark, Marlins - County Board Hears `intriguing’ Plan for Major League Baseball,” Charlotte Observer, The, January 19, 2006, sec. Main, https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=NewsBank&t=state%3ANC!USA%2B-%2BNorth%2BCarolina&sort=YMD_date%3AD&page=1&fld-base-0=alltext&maxresults=20&val-base-0=marlins charlotte visit&fld-nav-0=YMD_date&val-nav-0=2005 - 2009&docref=news/10F42656132A1CD8. 2 Carrie Levine, “The Big Pitch - Backers of 2 Plans for Uptown Baseball Must Prove Their Viability,” Charlotte Observer, The, February 5, 2006, sec. METRO, https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=NewsBank&t=state%3ANC!USA%2B-%2BNorth%2BCarolina&sort=YMD_date%3AD&page=1&fld-base-0=alltext&maxresults=20&val-base-0=marlins charlotte visit&fld-nav-0=YMD_date&val-nav-0=2005 - 2009&docref=news/10F9C0D5C977CC30. 3 Carrie Levine, “Land Deal for Ballpark Advances - Board Tells County Staff to Negotiate Final Deal,” Charlotte Observer, The, December 20, 2006, sec. METRO, https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=NewsBank&t=&sort=YMD_date%3AD&fld-nav-0=YMD_date&val-nav-0=2006 - 2006&fld-base-0=alltext&maxresults=20&val-base-0=charlotte marlins baseball reese&docref=news/116290364364F138; Andrew Shain, “Marlins Say Move to City Possible - Mayor Says He Doubts Charlotte Is Ready, Won’t Lobby for It,” Charlotte Observer, The, April 4, 2006, sec. Metro, https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=NewsBank&t=&sort=YMD_date%3AD&fld-base-0=alltext&maxresults=20&val-base-0=marlins loria charlotte stadium&fld-nav-0=YMD_date&val-nav-0=2004 - 2007&docref=news/110CDAFA4E325E70. 4 Victoria Cherrie, “Baseball Land-Swap Suits Tossed - Lawyer Had Sued to Block Real Estate Deal Meant to Clear the Way for Uptown Stadium Designs for $35 Million Facility Are Nearly Done,” Charlotte Observer, The, October 11, 2007, sec. METRO, https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=NewsBank&t=&sort=YMD_date%3AD&fld-nav-0=YMD_date&val-nav-0=2006 - 2007&fld-base-0=alltext&maxresults=20&val-base-0=charlotte marlins baseball reese&docref=news/11C3C60B0E9A9620. 5 Erik Spanberg, “A Major League Income Shortfall,” Charlotte Business Journal, February 2, 2006, https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/stories/2006/02/06/story1.html.
  20. Heck, the crummy field DU uses for soccer is in a better location than this: Yeah, Commerce City, that’s a great spot to put a stadium for a team trying to draw fans! It’s eight miles north of downtown Denver and not that easy to get to, so why not? On top of it, let’s never do jack squat to market the team, as that’d be too much work. Seriously though, after my time in Portland, I find that the Rapids are very poorly marketed within Denver proper. It shouldn’t be this way. Heck, DU hockey is more represented around town than the Rapids.
  21. I just want the Rapids to not be an afterthought.
  22. For those curious about my recent suspension, Indeed I did. I really needed the week off for being such a s--thead. Since some time last year, I've felt kind of directionless here. I haven't been posting in my big concept series (or doing much of anything on the concept front), so I just wound up drifting into being a "general" poster. This was also around the same time I found other communities, some of which I really enjoyed (a few discord servers) and others I found to be toxic trash heaps (KF). I got a bit too deep into "my internet," researching questionable people and exposing myself to all kinds of madness and depravity. When you read about certain malevolent furries and their exploits don't faze you, you know you've gone too far. I didn't think the deep dives were wearing on my system, but I now think they did. It made me argumentative, angsty, and addicted to fighting. I started fighting when I didn't need to fight (the reveal fights, where I tried to generalize the upper echelons of the community as a bunch of rigid traditionalists). I stopped being respectful (see my mcrosby rants and my direct callouts of several posters), and completely gave in to my disregard for rule four (if I saw somebody supporting native american mascots, I'd have a rant ready for them). I always wanted there to be a situation where a bunch of people came to my aid and forced a serious discussion (a kind of "righteous anger," if you will), but I never got that because I was going about it like a sewer rat. My transition from "historian/concept guy with well-argued points" to "dingus who posts internet weirdness and attacks anybody he mildly dislikes" turned me into the kind of poster who brought down the level of discourse. Yours truly also exposed people to far too much nastiness (regular internet convos don't need people name-dropping Dahvie Vanity). But no more! I want out of this spiral. Therefore, I resolve not to engage in forum arguments (let the mods handle rule four stuff - don't engage, just report), stay away from threads when I don't like their direction, and never personally attack people here again. Aside from write-ups, I've got the next batch of concepts ready. The concepts were why I was here in the first place and I'd love to get back into them. They gave me a sense of belonging here, especially in regards to putting the historical info out there. I'll take more time away from here, as I liked being away from all of the discourse here for a week. This is my final apology, as the best apology for one's actions is to follow through on improving your attitudes and mending bridges. Thanks for your words of support, guys, and I hope to be back to my old mellow self once again. TL;DR: I became a douchebag, got rightfully called out, took time away, and now I'm back. Expect concepts here again by the weekend.
  23. Yes, I was wrong. I apologize.
  24. Yeah, my mistake. But whenever I see people calling the most successful black QB of recent times “cocky” or going on about how his “leadership skills” are weak (despite evidence to the contrary), I felt it appropriate to call to mind potential biases. Clearly, I was wrong.