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23 hours ago, MJWalker45 said:

Nick Chubb has changed helmets at mincamp. He wore the Schutt previously.

He wore Xenith

On 5/26/2023 at 3:11 AM, Ted Cunningham said:

I think I said this in the 2022 college thread at one point, but two major things throw me off about this helmet:

1. The non-shell vent cutouts look AWFUL on any helmet that isn't black (or maybe navy). They aren't holes in the shell; there's plastic in them! Why can't that plastic be colored the same as the shell? (Hint: It's got to be because Riddell is first a company trying to sell its product, and those vents are distinctive. Anything to make them stand out arguably helps their brand.)
2. The top bar(s) of the facemask being missing looks weird. Facemasks have had those since well before I was born, so I'm used to seeing them there. All of the sudden, there isn't one on this model. And that looks weird. Not to mention that, combined with the shape of the visor itself, makes this look like a motorcycle helmet.
   1. A subpoint to this is also that the facemask fastens on the sides behind (or inside?) the shell instead of on top. When I first saw these, I thought "Well, it will kind of be like 50s/60s helmets where the facemask only connected on the sides and didn't go around the top." But even then, the facemask fastened on the outside of the helmet. So there was simply more facemask to see. As a result, there was more contrast between shell and facemask. Now, the facemask is reduced to almost being an extension of the visor, in some ways, at least from a shape and real estate standpoint.
   2. A second subpoint about the facemask: black on black helmets, like the Steelers, look way less weird, especially from far away because it's harder to see the details, especially at any distance. However, lighter combinations (especially with dark visors like Elliot's) or higher-contrast combinations (especially if the facemask is darker than the shell) look weird, or at least very different than what I'm used to.

Summing up point no. 2 as a tl;dr: With the Axiom, the facemask is part of the helmet instead of being something that is affixed onto the helmet, and it's jarring to see a football helmet that departs from what has been a fairly linear evolution of helmet styles. (Not to mention it looks more like a motorcycle helmet now.)

So, a few things about the helmet.

1. I agree about Riddell doing contrast just to make their helmet more visible (not that this helmet needs anything to make it so) and to ell more helmets.

2. The face mask and visor make for a smoother surface that "can" help reduce concussions, while being better for visibility and protection.  

3. Getting rid of all the exterior metal takes away grab points not just for hands, but other helmets and shoulder pads. This mean that the helmet slide across things very catching on things. Much better for the neck and brain. 

4. Look at the Light helmet, the facemark is tubular titanium without bars welded on so its a smooth surface for that exact reason.

Just my 2c

Im coaching in the PFL currently, and the ELF will be interesting.

Word we are hearing is that they want to expand by 4-8 teams next season, and eventually expand to 30-32 teams and 8 countries.

There are enough well run programs to get there, but finances are going to be a challenge, as some of the teams have major title sponsors and get the best guys, but other programs are limited by location and lack of funding.

The National Leagues are pretty diverse in their domestic player rules. 

PFL teams get:

• 2 Americans (if you played above HS level outside of Europe you are considered one of these two players)
• 1 Western European - this includes pretty much all of Europe except Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus, Russia, and a couple more
• 3 Eastern Euros - We have 1 Lithuanian, and 2 from Belarus (those leagues are far below ours, so its a crap shoot on who is as good as their film shows)

ELF is different, but there are still domestic player rules. 

If it works it helps all of us long term, but will be tough on the top leagues, as Germany is having a challenge here. 

On 4/9/2020 at 5:20 PM, colinturner95 said:

 

There aren't, just on the numbers.  But to add to the problem of bevel vs no bevel, the pants logo features the beveled aTm on the state logo. 

 

 

off topic, but Texas State... WTH with those sublimated washed out unis??? stroke weight on that helmet logo and just wow. 

Im torn on the Aggie unis, and I was married to a red ass Aggie for a decade, but that fan base is just so hard up to be UT its almost sad. They are constantly reaching to top their underperforming rival in Austin. This leads to going away from what was one of the classic looks in college football, to this. 

And Texas Tech did the bevel well. So much better than that Aggie light TT they used before. 

2 hours ago, MJWalker45 said:

San Antonio Spurs, yup there's a star in there too. Just not a five star this time. 

I only went 5 point stars.. but yeah that one too. there are many other lower

 level teams with stars as well.

1 hour ago, gosioux76 said:

You don't think the big, giant H on the front is distinct enough?

Honestly it's a complete play on the original Oilers logo, which is why I love it; and I was not an Oilers fan... but the silver helmet, if only they had gone powder blue! 

What blows my mind is how thought out the Oilers, er, Roughnecks logo is, while the Vipers have a generic logo with little stroke weight that could have made it an interesting logo. 

As for the Star, its inherent to Texas, and its distinct enough to keep them out of hot water. 

On 3/9/2020 at 7:26 AM, gosioux76 said:

Pants aside, I'd hate the Roughnecks look far less if they removed that gigantic star from the shoulders. It's unnecessary, overly simple and, yet, somehow garish. And while they're doing that, they can also remove the star from the logo. I see no visual benefit to having an oil derrick topped by a star. 

You obviously aren't a Texan. 

Dallas Cowboys - Star

Dallas Stars - yeah you get this one

Texas Rangers - yep a star (on and off as a primary in logo)

Houston Astros - Star

Texas is the Lone Star State... it gets tied into Everything... EVERYTHING. 

Hence the Star.

On 11/8/2019 at 10:01 PM, TornadoGTS said:

PDW always seems to have really thin line weights, it makes it look like clip art or an illustration as someone mentioned. I mean the old one wasn't amazing, but this new one makes it look better.

That was my first thought, line weight is so crazy thin. And its all over the place. The C with the claw works, but everything else feels like clipart, as you said.

BIG12 should have

Texas

Texas A&M

Texas Tech

Texas Christian

Baylor

Houston

Oklahoma St

Oklahoma

Nebraska

Missouri

Kansas

Kansas St

BYU to PAC12

Boise St to MWC

Is Mizzou and Aggie stay in SEC bring both BYU and Boise St to Big12 with Houston

The Bulls Concept is just perfect. But all of them are worthy.

Pretty amazing to see this quality of work, and even more amazing is how much fantastic design is seen here on this board.