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  1. The Chargers had been a navy blue team for most of my life when they started wearing powder blue throwbacks regularly. I didn't throw a fit about them "not looking like the Chargers."

     

    What a strange position.

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  2. 3 hours ago, Lights Out said:

     

    I'd argue that the NFL does have some incentive here. Being able to sell proper Houston Oilers merchandise would be a license to print money. I think the bottleneck here is just the Titans themselves.

    Nah. The NFL can- and is- selling Houston Oilers gear, because the Titans are wearing the throwbacks. 

     

    They don't need to give it to the Texans, and the Titans have no incentive to do it without a huge payout 

     

    2 hours ago, spartacat_12 said:

    I'd rather see Tennessee stay the Titans and have Houston go back to being the Oilers.

    Between the Texans and Titans it's the Titans with the weaker brand. So I'd rather have the Oilers and Texans around then the Oilers and Titans. 

     

    Besides the Titans are the Oilers. If anyone gets to be the Oilers it's them. 

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  3. 12 hours ago, mafiaman said:

    This makes me want to cry…

     

     

     

    …because it’s not really Houston. 

    Here's my hot take...

     

    Get rid of the Titans. Tennessee Oilers and Houston Texans. 

     

    "Titans" as a name had potential but between the super "turn of the millennium" first set and the Toronto Argos-lite second set... between their most notable moment being losing the Super Bowl by a yard and getting pantsed by the Brady Pats in the snow, what great legacy do the Titans have? McNair? George? They were Tennessee Oilers too. 

     

    No, Tennessee Oilers doesn't make a lot of sense but who cares? Neither does Los Angeles Lakers. Bring the Oilers back... in Nashville. Let it be a weird quirky thing, with awesome uniforms. 

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  4. 8 hours ago, Cujo said:

    But they don't own colors.

    The NFL's marketing and branding is very centralized and there's no way they let the Texans wear anything that could eat into the Titans' IP and throwback sales. 

     

    blah blah blah Bengals blah blah blah Browns yeah I get it but 1) those two unis are nothing alike aside from orange helmet shells these days and 2) back when they were similar sports apparel wasn't nearly as huge a market as it is now. Back then who cared if two teams had more or less the same brand? 
    Today though? Huge issue. 

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  5. 8 hours ago, HOOVER said:

    But that doesn’t mean you are being accurate or truthful when spew venom at the manufacturer as being inept, or somehow inferior to manufacturers that are, in fact, inferior.

    Shoe companies will never love you back. 

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  6. 3 hours ago, monkeypower said:

    Yes and I think this is the biggest reason for the reaction to the jersey. It's been a really unfortunate week to be part of the Ducks online fanbase because a lot of them really worked themselves into a shoot (that's for you wrestling guy)(you are a wrestling guy right?) with the #2 pick and then the 30th anniversary jersey.

    On one hand I get it because some people put the cart before the horse and that was bound to end in disappointment. 

     

    But on the other hand... shut up marketing suits and just give the people what they want. 

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  7. On 6/29/2023 at 10:39 PM, monkeypower said:

    I didn't realize we're dealing with legal documents of establishment that need to be followed to the letter.

    I know they're your favourite team and I get the desire to go to bat here, but the "est 2006" bit on a jersey meant to celebrate a 30th anniversary isn't even the worst part here. 

     

    Ducks fans (and everyone else) seemed to want something invoking the original Mighty Ducks sweaters. If not a straight throwback then perhaps the Cup winning template in Mighty Ducks colours and with the Mighty Ducks logo. 

     

    Maybe this is a case of fans working themselves into disappointment but it seems really clear what the people wanted and team :censored:ed it up with a generic template, the Mighty Ducks logo no one really prefers front and centre, and an awkward inclusion of their current Webbed D primary. Like... if someone had to make the most disappointing design possible for the brief "celebrate the Ducks' Mighty Ducks era" this would be it. Even a throwback to the first movie design that Eisner wore when the team was announced would be fun in a deep cut sort of way. This is just... bland and bad and far short of what everyone wanted.

    This was an easy put for the team and they sent it into the G-ddamn sand trap. 

     

    So having the wrong founding date on the sleeve is just one more thing to laugh at on top the pile of disappointment this thing is. 

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  8. People here really need to stop looking to teams' social media outlets for hints about brand changes. It almost never pans out and social media teams usually just do their own thing anyway. 

     

    Like how the Jags didn't go black and white even though that's what their Twitter profile was just before a big rebrand. Or how the Jets using forest green and neon green on social media meant nothing when their new unis ended up using the 80s-early 90s scheme of kelly green with black trim. 

     

     

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  9. Anyhow the best thing I can say about City Connect unis is that some of them have a few good ideas that if tweaked could make for a decent identity, but that's it. Even the unis with those promising elements fail to pull it all together.  All in all it's a collection of bad alternates 

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  10. 1 hour ago, dont care said:

    The Red Sox helped the city heal after the bombings with the Boston strong and winning a World Series.

    Ok.

     

    I mean I hear a lot of reasons as to why the Boston Marathon is important. Which I don't think was ever in doubt.

     

    But like... that doesn't mean the Red Sox need to use their colour scheme.

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  11. 17 hours ago, tBBP said:

    All that said, in certain instances I feel like the dazzle fabric "adds something"—and at any rate, I DEFINITELY miss metallic fabrics in the pants (looking at you Raiders, Saints, Niners, and yes, even you, Buccaneers). 

    Agreed. 
    The whole "matte vs dazzle" stuff is pretty pointless because why can't we have both? The teams with metallic pants can use dazzle fabric and the teams that don't can't use matte. It seems like this Orwellian-esque double talk some people engage in to convince themselves flat grey is better than silver shouldn't be necessary. It just requires that Nike get out of the "one solution for everyone" mindset. 

     

    2 minutes ago, DCarp1231 said:

    I will die on the “Nike made the Eagles Midnight Green look better” hill

    It was funny how they had to take a half a year longer to figure it out though. Or how the Eagles' kelly green throwbacks had to be delayed because Nike couldn't make them in time. Again, Nike being a victim of their own marketing. You can't present yourself as the pioneers of tomorrow's designs and technologies in the field and then turn around and go "green is hard." 

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  12. 17 hours ago, tBBP said:

    And to be specific, the pewter hue itself—though, to be fair, a/ Wilson produced the original '97 uniforms, and b/ I believe the pewter was a custom swatch at the time which made it irritatingly difficult to match across certain media. All that said, yeah, the dark gray masquerading as pewter in the Nike reproductions may be easier to match across media, but is a definite downgrade from the previous pewter.

    Nike's a victim of their own marketing here because they've spent so much time and effort convincing us all that they're on the cutting edge of athletic wear and athletic wear design. And it's like "ok why can't you replicate a colour Wilson managed to make in 1997?"

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  13. Whether or not Boston can "claim" marathons is kind of beside the point. Sure Boston has the Boston Marathon and it's a big deal.

    Doesn't mean the city's baseball team, just as engrained in the identity of the city if not more so, should ditch their traditional colours to homage the marathon. 

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  14. 1 hour ago, Germanshepherd said:

    I think the solution lies somewhere in the middle, like California’s flag where you slap a detailed ass bear on it and call it a day. 

    The problem is that California's design emerged organically. That's not something you can replicate. 

    Thing is it's a rare organic design that happened to be fairly unique. It's the dragon all of these lame af corporate designs are chasing but they'll never get there because "hey guys I graduated with a degree in graphic design in 2013" isn't a substitute for the unique historic events that led to the Californian flag being what it is. 

     

    1 hour ago, Germanshepherd said:

    While I do think seal on bedsheet designs are lame...

    My attitude is "lame" or not they're the way they are because of history and that has meaning. A flag should reflect that meaning more than it looks like a beer label. 

     

    17 hours ago, the admiral said:

    I can't articulate it, but thumb through the pages of this thread and you'll see what I mean. They all look like they were done by, if not the same person, then people with the same design training, tools, and sensibilities.

    Because they were. They were all designed either by people who got graphic design degrees in the last ten years or self-taught "amateurs" who studied the same people and programs. 

     

    The Brandiose comparison is spot-on. It's reflective of an "in house" style. 

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  15. 3 hours ago, the admiral said:

    That's a good point. It's like my joke about how Chicago/DC/California flags are tattoos for ex-hXc thirtysomething bartenders.

    I feel like a lot of people see the Chicago/DC/Cali flags and instantly want something like that for their city or state but those flags came about because of very specific reasons. A slickly designed flag meant to look good printed on a beer cooler isn't going to resonate the same way. 

     

    3 hours ago, the admiral said:

    I always felt the unremarkable nature of most state flags was kind of the point. Quebec and Texas have striking and iconic flags of their own, and look what they're always getting up to.

    I think most flags that are past a certain age tell a story, even the "seal on a blue field" ones and that telling the story is more important than whatever new design is being pushed tells. 

     

    I rather like the idea of states having a flag that's a seal on a blue field because they wanted to honour their state's Union Army regiments. The Confederate side sort of got to monopolize the space of memorializing the Civil War, and celebrating Union iconography isn't a bad thing. 

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