well bigmike i just dont think you know the line between constructive criticism and just plain criticism. i know the quality is not good but im basically teaching myself in my free time, i just wanted to get peoples opinion on the overall idea. i happen to believe that this crappy concept is a lot better than most of the outlandish uniforms people post on here, its realistic. it could use some more blue, and thats the only thing ill take away from this. but thank you for telling me that my design is basically awful, get off your high horse and remember you posted stuff that wasnt up to other peoples standards at one point as well. thanks for the encouragement.