PALEFACE

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  1. Just noticed that the Vikings and Dolphins have the same sans serif "8". Must have been the same typographer on both projects.
  2. I'm assuming each equipment manager orders a couple hundred blanks then has the numbering done at a local shop (or even in house). Given the wear and tear aspect and roster changes/etc, there's a big enough need to be able to turn around a new jersey in a couple hours. Since the numbering is done at the local level some teams probably go the simple route with the standard block #'s. Other teams must have invested in custom screens but only do single color (bears/eagles/chargers). I've always found it interesting how drastically different practice jerseys range in design and from team to team some are almost identical to game gear (9ers) while others look like they were borrowed from the local high school. You're absolutely right, it would be an art fee or a screen set up fee to do the new numbers, but in the scheme of things, that would be minimal if they keep the screens on file. What it all comes down to is, someone on the marketing/brand team made a good pitch to the people in charge of the equipment money to have the new letters on there. Lets face it, they spent all this time and money on a new look, might as well add it to the practice jersey especially if there is no other side panel, trim, outlines, etc. on the game jersey, sticking with the custom typeface is the only thing that will make it "look new." (Minus the sleeve strips of course, and I know we all know those type of items stay off the practice jersey) It would be smart if they did it in house, but I wouldn't be surprised if they outsourced it local. Would love to hear about the team's tailor/seamstress.
  3. I was surprised to see them too after seeing the old ones make an appearance this year already. As for the numbers, because they are screen printed, custom typefaces make no difference in cost. It's all about the amount of colors/screens that are used. Because the numbers on the practice jerseys are 1 color opposed to two color last year (and the fact they are using one color material instead of two with the side pannels) costs are dramatically cut with these new ones. Not to mention they look better. Every time I see the new helmets, I love them more and more. And surprisingly, after hating the addition of the black face mask, I don't even notice them at all.
  4. I'm all for that. I think the pruple pants look pretty solid with the new set. On a side note, it has alwas facinated me to see the majority of people say they hate dark jersey and dark pants, but absolutely love white jersey and white pants. I am usually not a fan of dark on dark (espeically for the Vikings) but i have never really liked the white over white at all... it always seem pretty damn boring. I know I am not in the norm on this one.
  5. Speaking of practice jersey...
  6. I've been in conversations similar to this and literally wanted to physically assault the person before it was done. I always have to remind myself that not everyone is a crazed and obsessed uniform/logo nerd. I get that same look when I talk to my GF and my family...and most of my friends. But what this shows about the Vikes new uniforms is that, it's branding at its best really. They took the time to listen to what the fans wanted, but also looked back at the history of the team and lets face it, the brand (which in the sports world, is mostly Logo, colors and uniform) and went back to what was working. If its a good/succuessful brand, then it doesnt matter how you evolve it, as long as you keep it true to the brand or encapsulate the spirit of the brand. First the Vikings saw a need to update their logo, but not totally change it (again, most of the time a sucuessful brand just needs an evolution or a cleaning up, not a revolution). Yes, most people unlike the creative group we have here, were wondering what the point was. Why change it if I cant tell the difference. Well, more often than not with good design, people dont notice it. It doesnt dissrupt their use, their interaction or their passion for the brand, it just enhances it. Again, as most people, they wont beable to describe why they like it the way that we can with technical words, they just know they gravitate towards it. And that's OK. I dont need every person of that target audience to tell me they like the typeface, the kerning, the color theory, etc. As long as it communicates to them what it is supposed to, that's all you can ask for. Same goes for the Vikings uniforms. Most people wont notice the change. They dont know that serifs have been added, and espeically that they are supposed to look like the bow of a boat. They just know that it resembles the brand, the team they know and love (a LOT MORE than the previous uniforms did.) We can pick apart all the design speak Nike put out there, but that is just for the masses, for the people who dont understand what we do or what we are passionate about. Thats for them to start to understand how and why the brand is changing. When you put the logo change, the color update and the unfiorm change out there, that's a lot for a sports brand to undertake and a lot for its fans/target audience to accept. The fact that the creative community has accpted it (mostly) as a visual and conceptual success and the comon fan thinks it fits right in with the team, then you have a huge branding success my friend. Kudos to the Vikings and Nike for sucuessfully understanding their brand equity, noting they needed a slight change, and for not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Thumbs up.
  7. I'm calling BS...that looks EXACTLY like page 3 of the logo slick. The mechanical art. Every detail is exact - from the spacing between the two digits, to the spacing between each set. Exact. All, except the colors...Tan background??? Well, it's not an EXACT copy. Used that as a "base" to trace it. The "tan" background is the flesh tone* color in the face on the Vikings logo. *at least I think it's still called "Flesh Tone" No - they call it Tan. Sorry, I dont think I phrased my question correctly. What I mean to say was... Why are those numbers outlined.
  8. I'm calling BS...that looks EXACTLY like page 3 of the logo slick. The mechanical art. Every detail is exact - from the spacing between the two digits, to the spacing between each set. Exact. All, except the colors...Tan background??? Well, it's not an EXACT copy. Used that as a "base" to trace it. The "tan" background is the flesh tone* color in the face on the Vikings logo. *at least I think it's still called "Flesh Tone" Are those numbers outlined in gold?
  9. Sooo, here we are... I wonder what the new Vikings uniforms will look like! Oh...yeah...we did that already. Well, I cant wait to see our two first rounders hold up the new jersey at the draft! Hummm...there were three you say? Sweet. Hey, I know, what do you think about those serifs on the first numeral? Oh, right... Well at least we all can agree the sleeve stripe looks like a boat. I mean a sail. I mean...crap! I guess I'll just go ahead...and uh...pack up my things here...ummm...yup...but if you need something before I go, I mean, I cant toally get it for ya...I dont have to leave just yet. No? Ok...soooooo...I'll see you guys around..uhhhh...skol...Vikes?
  10. Actually, the stripes on the Game jerseys will be not be at the shoulders, but rather the bottom of the sleve. Although this could be different for the Limited and Elite versions. The team informed me that the Limited jerseys will be available no later than the first week of July.
  11. I hope the one-sided bicycle shorts look is standard for all players. Kidding aside, that purple is very nice. Helmets I can take or leave; the matte doesn't really add anything special IMO. The numbers are just dumb but not a deal-breaker for the overall uni. Looks pretty good. I agree 100%, these uniforms (and all the other Vikings uniforms) really look much better in the sun, that purple really looks much more true. WIth that said, I am a fan of the matte helmet, but so much more in the natural light. Here it looks like the purples actually match. I also like the fact that the helmet and uniform both look like the same flat material rather than shiny. So happy with this change.
  12. Gothamite, I'm not taking a dig at you with this post, I just think your comment is a great spring board for some design discussion. I'd love to hear people's thoughts on this! Here we go... I am not the biggest fan of the shoulders stripe, but it doesnt bother me as much as the shoulder stripe on the previous uniform. I think most people now days look to new uniform designs to be somewhat theme like, kinda like a costume of the team name/mascot if you will. I also think people tend to get the phrase "inspired by" confused with "looks like". From The Nike video Todd Van Horne says "...the swoop of the serif of the font referencing the bow of the ship." Notice he didn't say, The numbers are supposed to look like a ship, it just a design element that takes is cue from an object of the viking culture. He also states "The level of craftsmanship and detail refers back to the armor that the vikings have." and pair that with the first uniform clue with all the rounded, swooping lines on viking design... I can totally see what the shoulder stripes were inspired by and can objectively say that they successfully created a Viking uniform that was inspired by viking culture and does look "Nordic" if you will. Subjectively, the stripe is not exactly what I wanted to see on shoulders, and I think could be revisited. Overall, its the subtle details that reference a culture, an area, a thing (whatever your team represents) that make it look like it belongs. Or everyone could just be over the top literal, for example, the Bengals. I know this is nerdy, but this is the type of conversation every designer engages in (or should) before and during a project. i saw it as inspired by a sail filling with air as well. i think the Nike sleeves are too small to do what needs to be done here, but overall i like it. you dont need to use inspiration to make something look like something else. it dosent need to be a sail. the point is to use those things to do something original, which they've done. for the most part yes, but they did go all out on this one. "level of detail the vikings had" is a stretch and sounds like something Nike/NFL is using to sell the fans on this idea and that dont know the difference between the Pro Combat or Elite51 template. but kudos to the Viks for investing in quality materials, they didnt get cheap like the Bills did with their stripes Gothamite, I LOL'ed when I read your reply, yeah that craftsmanship remark was a little too vague. But BraneMooreArt, you make an interesting point. The craftsmanship is better on the Viking's uniform stripes as they use actual fabric panels sewn in rather than the Bills who look like they screen printed them on. Thank you for humoring me today.
  13. Gothamite, I'm not taking a dig at you with this post, I just think your comment is a great spring board for some design discussion. I'd love to hear people's thoughts on this! Here we go... I am not the biggest fan of the shoulders stripe, but it doesnt bother me as much as the shoulder stripe on the previous uniform. I think most people now days look to new uniform designs to be somewhat theme like, kinda like a costume of the team name/mascot if you will. I also think people tend to get the phrase "inspired by" confused with "looks like". From The Nike video Todd Van Horne says "...the swoop of the serif of the font referencing the bow of the ship." Notice he didn't say, The numbers are supposed to look like a ship, it just a design element that takes is cue from an object of the viking culture. He also states "The level of craftsmanship and detail refers back to the armor that the vikings have." and pair that with the first uniform clue with all the rounded, swooping lines on viking design... I can totally see what the shoulder stripes were inspired by and can objectively say that they successfully created a Viking uniform that was inspired by viking culture and does look "Nordic" if you will. Subjectively, the stripe is not exactly what I wanted to see on shoulders, and I think could be revisited. Overall, its the subtle details that reference a culture, an area, a thing (whatever your team represents) that make it look like it belongs. Or everyone could just be over the top literal, for example, the Bengals. I know this is nerdy, but this is the type of conversation every designer engages in (or should) before and during a project.
  14. Yes it would. It wouldn't look like a 5 gmab, it still would. That's the problem with this point/serif set, in theory an interesting idea but not fully developed to work properly. I won't gyab. If you curve that part of the 5. it would look like an S. Plus it would look more out of place. But of course, the entire idea doesn't work to begin with This, it would look awful like that, the top left of a 5 needs to be squared off, it's what makes it a 5. I don't mind the the serifs not interlocking with all right numbers. The only one that looks just flat out bad is 11. The more I see the sleeve stripe the more I wish it were just straight stripes. It just doesn't look good, it doesn't even look like a sail unless pointed out or if you think about it really hard. If there's one thing that's silently tweaked in a year or two i hope it's that. It would still be a pretty unique stripe, the redskins have something like it but the stripes are smaller and touching. No one ever said it was supposed to look like a sail.
  15. Video of Jennings and Sullivan modeling the new uniforms. http://www.vikings.c...bd-e10e08189ab6 Two interesting comments are that Jennings hasnt worn the Nike uniform template in a game yet (Packers opted to stay with the traditional cut) an Sullivan likes that there are no side panels to accentuate fat.
  16. Greg Jennings in the new uni...
  17. With the unveiling of the new stadium renderings, it looks as though the Vikings' uniforms will see lots of daylight at home and will appear more purple in the natural light, than the blue-ish tone in the domed indoor lighting. That's a plus!
  18. Oh, I am far from sure that is the case. I'd tend to think just the opposite. I should say, the inspirational quotes such as the Panthers, "Keep Pounding" which was the saying Sam Mills, who was a player and coach for Carolina and later Died of cancer. Mills told the team to "Keep Pounding" in an emotional speech before the Panthers' victory over the Cowboys. So yeah, that's for the players and organization. Nothing wrong with a nice detail that relates to the team. As for the knots in the Viking's jersey, they just related it to actual vikings craftsmanship, nothing that inspirational, but a nice detail none the less. And because its in a spot where the fans wont see it, its hard to say its for them. We are the small percentage who actually notice these things. But I'll stop with this discussion here seeing as though we have already hashed this out earlier in the thread.
  19. I believe its on the inside collar on the back of the neck, so you won't see it while it's being worn. Ask and you shall receive... I wonder if the pattern will be in the fan jerseys just like the Panthers have "Keep Pounding" in Game, Limited and Elite versions. I know we have had this discussion before, ya know, whether or not it is necessary to put something in the collar. It's for the players and team after all. I think the viking knots are not a bad idea, but wouldn't it have been more relevant to the players if it said something like "SKOL" ? Either way, I'd still like to have the knots in my fan jersey, but that's just me, I like the small details.
  20. Here is a good example of how the horns don't always touch in the back and how they avoid some of the openings on the helmet. Overall, its nearly impossible to have the horn shape miss every vent for every type of helmet available.
  21. If I was 100X the athlete I am and was picked up by the Vikes this year, I would honestly be more selective about my number than I would with anyone else.. This clip (and the Patterson photo) tells me that I would not want a "4" as my second digit for example. That's why these numbers have already worn out their welcome. If all jersey's with a "4" on the right look bad, then it's not working. Prediction: the essence of these uniforms remains for a while, but the number font lasts about as long as the league minimum. Like I said, number parings aside.
  22. Something sort of uni-related, but just a great story: Connor Cosgrove, a former WR for the University of Minnesota was the first to receive a real game jersey presented by Rick Spielman and Leslie Frasier. Number pairing aside, this jersey just looks rad. Better yet, the video is worth the watch. http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Vikings-Welcome-Connor-Cosgrove-To-Winter-Park/b430a884-4155-495b-9f30-b1b647e6295d
  23. Yeah, those pants are strange. It's hard to believe they added them just because the primary white pant's stripe don't match the jersey because; A. In all the promo images released last week, these pants were never shown, including images of the white on white uniform, and... B. If matching the white jersey stripe and the white pants stripe was such a concern, why wouldn't they have just made the jersey stripe match in the first place? I wonder if these pants will never see the light of day, game-wise, and are just there to have the new redesign of the logo make an appearance somewhere in the official design sheet. I'm not sure what purpose that might serve, legally or otherwise, but I honestly can't see how the design fits into the overall package. Neither can I - this is just bizarre. If the white pants with regular striping "don't work" with the white jerseys, then that's just plain bad design. A lot of Vikings pants stripes have not matched the jersey, not that big of a deal.
  24. I have seen both white pant options. Not to sound nosey but can I ask where? And do you have any pics? Probably in the graphics he posted. At least, the official graphics are the only I place I've seen them. When the Vikings first released the the updated Norseman logo, they said they wanted to get it updated for the new stadium and for the uniforms. So it was a little surprising to see the uniform without the logo. Now hearing there was this other version of the white pants, their statement made more sense. I am guessing that it was more of a last minute decision to scrap the pants but too late to take them out of any official guidelines. I saw this happen with Buffalo and an alternate logo years back. Not too surprising. Have you seen the thick purple stripe pants yet? Or is this just based off Colorwerx' description? it's satin. the Seahawks did the same. and Texas A&M Anyone else to confirm this? The Vikings helmets definitely look a lot "flatter" to me than the Seahawks helmets. in those 2 pics they look very different, but the lighting/environments are also very different From what Nike has said, as well as the Vikings, it's matte. If you pay attention to one of the interviews of AP at Nike, he talks about the Matte helmet with silver flecks in it. I am guessing the addition of the sliver flecks makes it look more reflective than the average matte helmet, but not a shiny as a satin finish.