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  1. Okay, I have been lurking long enough to read this entire thread, hope that's creepy enough for you all. Just wanted to pipe in that some of the pictures I've seen in this thread are amazing! That being said, I would like to see some more ideas for the helmet design if possible?

    I mean, I mess with the gimp a bit but I don't think I could come up with anything I would be proud to post here... In fact, you guys have me considering a change of hobbies, apparently design isn't my thing.

    Any relation to Sir Mike of Mitchell?


  2. This makes complete sense. I'm really hoping this is what the final design looks like.

    I hope you don't mind oldschoolvikings, but I transferred your idea onto my earlier mock-up to see what it would look like with the number font and such.

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    Hey Matt I love where this is going. I had one quick thought about the whole thing and that was socks! The stripe pattern lends it self for some sock stripes that I think make sense. I hope you don't mind, but I took your design and added them. Curious to what you think of the addition.

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    I also added a serif to the bottom of the 2's as well, just to complete them. Just something that I think we might see on the numbers when it's all said and done, although I could be totally wrong.


  3. Here's my thought on how the sleeve stripe could transition from home to road (keeping the gold surrounded by purple), and as a bonus, visually connect to the pants stripe.

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    (By the way, I think this counts as my first time ever for posting a concept)

    This makes complete sense. I'm really hoping this is what the final design looks like.

    I hope you don't mind oldschoolvikings, but I transferred your idea onto my earlier mock-up to see what it would look like with the number font and such.

    VikingsMockUp_zpsb36c691c.png

    Sorry for being late on the comment, I've was away all last week on business and just getting back to the boards today.

    First, great job you two! These look really solid, I'd be super happy if this is what the team rolled out. Yes, purple pants would be a nice addition, any thoughts on mocking those up?

    Second, I am on the fence about the typface Nike came up with for the Vikes. Rounded and sharp edges, I dunno. I was a little dissapointed to see that, but I am willing to keep an open mind. I dont notice it as much with the second mock-up here.

    One thing I think everyone is getting confused on is "Retro" and "Traditional". So far, the team hasnt said "Retro" or "Throwback", they have said a traditional look. Meaning, using the basic design elements of the past, but not copying the past. I think these two mockups really show how this design looks updated and new, yet harkens back to the standard design elements (mostly how stripes were used as basic horizontally and vertically without using the "swooshy" lines that we see today) of the past.

    Good job!


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    Just watched the video. That's two videos in a row they have gone out of their way to show those bags with purple stripes outlined in gold. There's got to be something to that.

    Not to read too much into those bags, but I will the for the sake of conversation. The straps on the bags do look close to the style of stripes above.


  5. So I did a quick mockup using the Bear's template, so pardon the sloppiness. Is this what everyone is picturing given the clue?

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    That looks really good!

    I agree with you, the more i look at it, the more i really like the asymmetrical stripe. It makes sense when looking at the Vikings helmet, and the small amount of yellow being used near the horn, which makes the use there asymmetrical too.

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    If you look very carefully at the lower right of this image you can see the purple ends with a white egde parallel to the other stripes... in other words, there isn't another gold and black stripe on the other side... its asymmetrical. Thin black/less thin gold/thick purple.

    After looking at the image on a contrasted background, you're right!

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    That is white, not yellow, meaning asymmetrical. Very interesting, wasn't expecting that! Now the question is, how does this work for shoulder stripes? Nice twist.


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    If you look very carefully at the lower right of this image you can see the purple ends with a white egde parallel to the other stripes... in other words, there isn't another gold and black stripe on the other side... its asymmetrical. Thin black/less thin gold/thick purple.

    I think what you are seeing there is the continuation of the pattern, just the edge of the next yellow stripe, not the white pant material. I think the purple is making a Northwestern stripe pattern with a yellow fill in between. Thats what I think I see. I know everyone probably sees something different, depends on the person.


  8. Clues 1 and 3

    the second one is a video

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    The video (43 seconds) is just an interview with the head equipment manager saying it's taken two years to make these uniforms and how the uniforms have a 'traditional look'.

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    Ok, so with those clues and the image above from a Vikings.com article today, we know a couple of things about the pants. First, with the buckle area. The vikings have opted to go with the "hot box" on the stomach, but not with the new Nike style belt area. They are sticking with the traditional loops instead of the "fold over" design.

    The stripe patter looks like it goes: Skinny Purple, Thin Yellow, Thick Purple, Thin Yellow, Skinny purple. In other words, Northwestern stripes. I am guessing we'll see this on the jerseys as well. Just my guess.


  9. The slogan in the collar of the jersey is most likely designed so that it can change every year (even if the uniform design itself doesn't) which will "force" the hard core collector to buy a new one of his team's jerseys for each season just so he has every slogan.

    The idea that it's a "tribute" or "inspiring" to the players is laughable at best. It's marketing. I'm not saying that it's a bad thing, just let's not think that it's for any noble reason.

    I know every day when I put on a shirt, "Tumble Dry on Low" inspires me to greatness. It's kind of become a personal slogan for me and a tribute to me, the way it captures how I really wring people out and toss them around, but warmly and gently.

    Joking aside, is this any different than the "Tailored in England" tags Umbro put on their kits? To me, elements like these show that the designers go beyond the minmum scope. Designing the entire uniform as opposed to just the part that is visible from the outside is evidence of a thorough job well done. It's like the nice frame that completes a painting or the perfect dovetail joints that finish a drawer when nails would have done the job. People always moan when costs drive manufacturers to treat every team as an identical cog in a merchandising machine, but when designers add these unique details specific to each team, there's more moaning about it? Doesn't add up for me.

    Nailed it! It's totally an example of the designers going beyond the ask of the client. Delivering something that is thoughtful and exceeds client expectation should be the goal of any designer/design team. In this case, it's a personal touch that relates to the client/owner/team and is made for them. The fact that they show up on a jersey for the public is just a nice attention to authentic detail. I guarantee you that it has very little affect on amount of purchases. If you are already willing to pay $250 for a jersey, this is just a nice addition, thats all. Its about the what the team wants with these types of details.


  10. Appreciate the info!

    Cool insight, Paleface. As frustrating as it is for those of us who really know and care, I always assumed that any mistake was due to a process that was limited by checks and balances by the NFL, as we all know how rigid they have been about identity. (Probably why NBA games have small mistakes as well.)

    Thanks for sharing.

    Glad you guys enjoyed that bit of information, I didnt want to come across as a know-it all or anything. And for the record, it still kills me too when they dont get it right ;-)

    Alright folks, sorry about that, back on topic! Who's gonna be a champ and get us a Vikings leak!?


  11. Can't blame EA for the players in wrong numbers. Sure, they could have checked online, but I imagine those numbers will be fixed after they are given official rosters, before the game is released. I bought Madden 13 (my first in 3 years) and the regretted it. The uniforms looked terrible. The Bears' stripes looked like garbage. They were gigantic and looked like a zoomed-in raster image. The numbers on all the Nike uniforms were huge and poorly placed (although all Reebok and earlier jerseys had good numbers). They have always messed up the Bears sleeve font (ignoring the tiny differences they miss from front to back), but the entire uniform looked wrong in the last game. I can't believe they can't make more accurate models for uniforms to the point where they don't look distorted when the files are stretched across characters. I can't believe it's too hard for them to use a second font for sleeves/shoulders, considering those fonts are different from the front/back font for most teams. I was extremely disappointed and won't be buying another Madden for five years, or at least the last one they make for PS3 on sale a year later.

    I have a little inside to how that all works as I used to work at EA - Tiburon back in the early 2000's. Just a QA Tester at the time, nothing major, but I understand how some of the jersey mistakes can be made. I hope to shed just a little light... First, for the wrong numbers, they do not have the official roster yet with numbers, so the technically cant update them. And from a marketing perspective, most people associate a certain number with that player, and are not accustom to their new number with their new team. Its just name recognition at this point.

    As for jersey inconsistencies, it all depends on who is QA'ing the game for that system at the time. It may have changed a bit since I was there, but the QA testers look for every kind of bug in the game, crash bugs, wrong stats, and yes, art bugs (uniforms included). Now we were are there double checking for the developers, so its kind of a shared responsibility. But when I was there, I kinda made the art bugs, and more importantly, uniform and logo issues the main subject of what i was looking for. Its never official, but guys on the team know what one another likes to check for. So, I was was there when Buffalo changed to those TERRIBLE unis, boy was that a chore to check. So many small things to go wrong on that jersey. All i had to go off of was a printed out version of the NFL team style guide. I also remember seeing the secondary mark that was a Buffalo head with a Blue and Red "B" that actually never saw the light of day. Buffalo decided against it while we were in the middle of making the game. That's the other thing, if a team didnt update their style guide, it didnt go in the game. It also depended on what the game's uniform templates could handle at the time in terms of detail of design and lastly, time. Some times there was enough time to make these edits and some times you had to let them be wrong for sake of timing, money, ship dates, etc.

    That's why when I saw the yellow collar on the Viking's home jersey last year, I thought, oh man, some guy wasnt paying attention while QA'ing the game, or the Vikings made a color switch at the last minute and didnt get the style guide changed in time.

    So hate on Madden all you want, I get it. But just know that some times there are legit reasons for some of the issues.

    Just thought it would be fun to give you guys a little insight. And dont worry, I dont get offended if you talk crap about the game.

    i don't wanna turn this into an AMA, but do you know the process of the uniform editing? And would you happen to know if it's similar to modding like PES or MVP, where you have a flat uniform template and just edit it on there?

    this is the kind of template i was talkng about kitema.png

    Oh man, I wish I had an ansnwer for you shaydre, but that was above my level, figuratively and litterlly. The dev and designers sat a couple floors up, an area the QA team didnt have access too. Thats one thing about the company, they are pretty secraetive with all elements of the game and rightfully so. Sorry about that.


  12. Can't blame EA for the players in wrong numbers. Sure, they could have checked online, but I imagine those numbers will be fixed after they are given official rosters, before the game is released. I bought Madden 13 (my first in 3 years) and the regretted it. The uniforms looked terrible. The Bears' stripes looked like garbage. They were gigantic and looked like a zoomed-in raster image. The numbers on all the Nike uniforms were huge and poorly placed (although all Reebok and earlier jerseys had good numbers). They have always messed up the Bears sleeve font (ignoring the tiny differences they miss from front to back), but the entire uniform looked wrong in the last game. I can't believe they can't make more accurate models for uniforms to the point where they don't look distorted when the files are stretched across characters. I can't believe it's too hard for them to use a second font for sleeves/shoulders, considering those fonts are different from the front/back font for most teams. I was extremely disappointed and won't be buying another Madden for five years, or at least the last one they make for PS3 on sale a year later.

    I have a little inside to how that all works as I used to work at EA - Tiburon back in the early 2000's. Just a QA Tester at the time, nothing major, but I understand how some of the jersey mistakes can be made. I hope to shed just a little light... First, for the wrong numbers, they do not have the official roster yet with numbers, so the technically cant update them. And from a marketing perspective, most people associate a certain number with that player, and are not accustom to their new number with their new team. Its just name recognition at this point.

    As for jersey inconsistencies, it all depends on who is QA'ing the game for that system at the time. It may have changed a bit since I was there, but the QA testers look for every kind of bug in the game, crash bugs, wrong stats, and yes, art bugs (uniforms included). Now we were are there double checking for the developers, so its kind of a shared responsibility. But when I was there, I kinda made the art bugs, and more importantly, uniform and logo issues the main subject of what i was looking for. Its never official, but guys on the team know what one another likes to check for. So, I was was there when Buffalo changed to those TERRIBLE unis, boy was that a chore to check. So many small things to go wrong on that jersey. All i had to go off of was a printed out version of the NFL team style guide. I also remember seeing the secondary mark that was a Buffalo head with a Blue and Red "B" that actually never saw the light of day. Buffalo decided against it while we were in the middle of making the game. That's the other thing, if a team didnt update their style guide, it didnt go in the game. It also depended on what the game's uniform templates could handle at the time in terms of detail of design and lastly, time. Some times there was enough time to make these edits and some times you had to let them be wrong for sake of timing, money, ship dates, etc.

    That's why when I saw the yellow collar on the Viking's home jersey last year, I thought, oh man, some guy wasnt paying attention while QA'ing the game, or the Vikings made a color switch at the last minute and didnt get the style guide changed in time.

    So hate on Madden all you want, I get it. But just know that some times there are legit reasons for some of the issues.

    Just thought it would be fun to give you guys a little insight. And dont worry, I dont get offended if you talk crap about the game.


  13. Adrian is modeling the new uniforms at Nike headquarters today according to the Vikings Facebook page

    Per Dan Wiederer of the StarTribune:

    "Yep, new unis. Fresh. Clean. Expected to have a bit of a retro feel to them.

    But for those hoping that the visit by Peterson and Greenway will lead to a grand unveiling of the new attire soon, don’t hold your breath. The Vikings and Nike have opted to slow play the uniform reveal and the designs won’t officially be unveiled until April 25, the first night of the draft. The place for clues on the new uniforms: VikingsUniformInsider.com.

    In a quote released by the Vikings on Twitter, Peterson said today, “From the helmet to the jersey to the pants, the guys are going to love it.” That’s the endorsement from the league MVP."


  14. Just to get this back on topic, another not real concept that could have some elements that end up close (the sleeves being NWestern is pretty safe bet on the purple IMO.)..not that font though, wow.

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    they will push it more than that. nothing is different about the helmet, except he probably used a past purple there (and old logo treatment). but yea besides the spurs on the numbers it looks good

    There's a sublimated stripe down the center of the helmet that appears to be chain mail. I don't know that Nike'll push it to an extreme considering the backlash of the "extreme" Reebok design. I don't think expecting something much different from their throwbacks (except for a unified purple and some pointless sublimation) is unreasonable.

    Even though this wasnt my mock up, I made a few quick and minor edits to it to represent what I think we might actually see. Sorry if this was your creation and I just screwed it up...

    1. Continued pants stripe

    2. Standard slab serif typeface for numbers

    3. Matte helmet (no pattern)

    4. Black shoes

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  15. I'll also inject this into the "pastel ain't manly" conversation...

    ...The man who pretty much revolutionized the linebacker position in the NFL was also one of if not THE most feared man in the game during his time. The color he wore in college?

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    That nice, bright, pastel Carolina blue.

    /perspective

    Good point, Buc. And I'll bet some of the "purple ain't manly" crowd are the same guys who slobber over the Chargers' powder blue. I love those Charger unis as much as anyone but that shade of blue doesn't exactly scream machismo.

    Purple just isn't a great color for guys. It's not because its not manly, it just doesn't look very good. How often do you go out to buy a purple shirt unless you're a Vikings or Ravens fan? I own zero purple shirts... It's not just purple, its the same thing with orange. I've never bought an orange shirt by choice.

    That's not a fact, just an opinion. I know plenty of guys that wear purple non-sports related shirts, same for orange. Personally, I have some purple, non-vikings shirts and not many orange because I dont think orange looks good on my pale-ass skin, but hey, thats just in my case. To say purple isnt a great color for guys is a pretty sexist and general thing to say.

    You'd have a better argument if you came up with solid reasons as to why purple does not work for guys other than "it just doesn't look very good." because that is a statement that would never hold water in the creative field, my boss would laugh if I told him "it just isn't a great color for guys". The question you need to answer is why is it bad for guys? Does it make them look shorter? Does it make them look fat? Do guys in purple remind you of a scary dream? What is it? I'm not trying to be an ass, I am just trying to understand your reasoning.


  16. i never understood why people thought purple looked feminine....

    my favorite team is the titans/oilers... the oilers get infinite love on their uniforms and unique color scheme, but my mother put it best when she said "earl campbell was a bad ass. he'd be the most famous football player ever, if he wasn't running around in pastels. put him on the raiders, and he'd be a legend."

    this isn't meant to slag off my oilers/titans, because i think "scary/manly/tough" color are making sports look boring.... but which of these teams looks more manly and intimidating?

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    Not all women, but it is women. They think that royal blue and yellow-gold (golden yellow, athletic gold, sunlight yellow) are pansy colors. Same goes for Columbia blue and red combined. These new age women also believe that navy is the best blue to go with and it would show off the darkness of blue. It's that they want that in men.

    They want us men to be boring, dreary looking, and just flat. While the men do not pop in color, the women will pop out showing that they are the center of attention. That's where it's coming from.

    I we wear less yellow-gold, royal blue, red, Kelly green, Columbia blue, scarlet, crimson, royal purple, heliotrope, and peach-orange, then we are considered sexy looking in those type of colors. It's a mess to begin with, but it shows how we are not logical or creative with color.

    I am glad I haven't lost that touch, but damn!

    Ummmm... what?


  17. I know we have discussed a lot of different aspects on here, but there is one I dont think we have touched. Socks. I know most of the years we have worn plain purple socks, but in the begining we had purple socks with three yellow stripes which I thought was pretty nice and would totally like to see that come back. Here are a couple of shots with those socks, as well as one shot of CC wearing them with the 75th unis, which may have only been for one game, because photographic proof is hard to find. There are only of a couple shots of him with these socks on and this card was the only one i could find at the moment (i know i have seen at least one other images).

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  18. So wait.....the team "progressed" the logo, is unveiling "new" uniforms, but decided their dated wordmark didn't need an upgrade?

    That's about as sad as having purple & yellow as your primary team colors.

    Their wordmark needed no updating. It's a classic. You gonna ask the Giants or Packrs to do the same?

    No, because the Packers aren't changing their logo or uniforms and the Giants predominately use the "ny" logo, which they started using...when they last change their logo & uniforms. You missed the point.

    I don't mind that wordmark. Mainly because I grew up with this horrible thing.

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    And that is atrocious. Still, my point is that it's like painting your house a new color, putting on a new roof, putting in new windows, and then leaving the cruddy looking front porch with broken floorboards and chipping paint untouched.

    Except in this case the porch still looks pretty great after all these years, and will most likely perfectly fit in with all of the changes being made.

    I mean go ahead and not like the script, but at least understand why it's sticking around...

    Completely subjective statement. Again, you're missing the point; update the logo, update the uniform...update the wordmark. I understand that it was the original team wordmark for over 20 years, but the uniforms the team has worn since '06 is now also directly connected to it.

    I just think if you're "rebranding", then do it all, but I understand the historic significance of the wordmark, even if I personally don't think it's that great.

    I'm first going to say, the above word mark always bothered me from a design perspective. The typeface is called Braggadocio, which was made in the 30s and is an art decco typeface. Without sound like a snob and a know-it-all (too late, I know) this is a design fail because there is nothing art deco about vikings in general (wrong era) and nothing art deco about The Vikings, their identity, the year they were formed or even football for that matter.

    You're right, if you personally dont like the current word mark, that is up to you as everyone has their own taste, you cant change someone's mind about that. But I believe that the current mark is right for the current brand and doesnt need to be updated just for the sake of rebranding. Their goal is go stay more true to the heratige of the team, which originally used this mark, or a form of it. The letter forms have changed ever so slightly since the introduction of the original mark, but not by much. I also think it's a fun/interesting interpretation of a "viking-esque" typeface without using the actual hand-writing style of that time period (before the printing press and typefaces). So just because they are rebranding, I dont think everything has to change just for the sake of change.

    That's my two cents. Just an opinion, not an argument.


  19. That poll splits the vote among a bunch of traditional designs. To be it's 42 Seahawks and 58 "Not Seahawks". And just wait a couple years and see how everyone feels...

    Props to you good sir, an excellent stat reading. That poll is not a balanced poll at all. One super modern uniform and the rest are tradional (arguments either way for Chargers), but you're right, the readings actually say that more fans like the traditional.


  20. I strongly doubt that's the number font, since they just used an unmodified, italicized version of United Regular Black by House Industries instead of a proprietary font.

    You're right, that is definitely United Regular Black. Chances of them going with that as the number typeface is slim, although Fox Sports used to use it (not sure if they still do) as their typeface for broadcast graphics. Its not out of the norm for a company to purchase rights to use the type face as theirs, but the likely hood seems low. Anyhow, a standard, non-rounded, slab serif would be wonderful to see.


  21. Why is nobody else reading into the number font they used? Has to be something...right? Right?

    I'll give that to ya for sure. You could totally be right, the typeface used for the date could definitely be what they are using on the unis.


  22. That video is clever, but unfortunately tells us nothing about the new look.

    Agreed. They start off week 2 with two great teases (plus the article header) and end with that. Funny, but frustrating. Hat's off the marketing department though, they are stringing us along and we are eating it up!

    I CANT TAKE IT ANY MORE!