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  1. Sports logos first got my attention. I feel the exact, same way about the Vikings. In an attempt to take away the attention focused on off-field issues ( Love boat, Randy Moss, the whizzinator, etc.) the front office tried to fix something that wasn't broken. Yes. They thought it was time to get a new look. And they :censored:ed it up, royally. Actually, I'm surprised it took seven years for someone to put the breaks on, and change it. I think the new look is alright. But let's face it. The helmet should never have been messed with. That helmet is an institution (mostly for us long-timer fans). That would be like putting a differerent "C" on the Bears helmet, or substituting a slice of cheese for the Packer's "G". It was sacrilege. But, it was those types of changes that prompted me to reinforce my belief that good logos usually don't need fixing, no matter how old they are. We grew up with these logos. We loved them. They are iconic now. When they make some of the changes that they have, I think to myself..." I could have done better than that."
  2. It is definitely a good start. Lots of potential. Add a wordmark with a little simplistic personality, and you've got a good logo. I would even go so far as to offset the middle tree to either the left or right, just to take away the symmetrical look. I think that would add a bit of personality to it. But the overall look is pretty good, as is. Looking forward to seeing the finished product. Even though it does resemble the RedHook logo, it's still miles apart. Good job.
  3. It's been a little over a month since the last post, but I thought I'd chime in anyway... I would think that the people who truly "get" graphic design, and become good at it, are the ones that started at an early age. Sorta like your first love of anything. If you're X-mas list included colored pencils, right at the top, chances are that you might be headed down that path to graphic understanding. From the get go, you "wanted" to know how it all worked. You were in love with it, immediately. Then it became a passion. When anything becomes a passion, you're mind goes into auto-pilot, and you just do it. You don't decide whether it's something you want to do. You just do it. When I was very young, sports graphics appealed to me. Especially lettering. Without any prodding, I found myself doodling, drawing numbers & letters, staring at anything with a logo. I would try to duplicate what I thought was cool-looking. As I did this, I would start to see the methods as to how these things were created. During the 70's, being a huge Yankees fan, I would go out of my way to draw the teams script logo. After failing miserably, I still couldn't stop looking at it. Then it dawned on me... I took two pencils, taped them together, then drew the letters as if to write it cursively. Bingo! I was beside myself with this discovery. This is just an example of what someone will do when they're really "into" something. Having to decide whether you might want to dive into something is one indicator that you might not put your heart into it. That's what separates the good designers from the mediocre. Like anything else, desire & practice are key. It doesn't really matter what you have to work with. If you want it bad enough, you'll use anything you can get your hands on. I remember the days, before the computer, when you actually had to understand graphic theory and actually be a good artist to even stand a chance at a career in this field. Man, I'm gettin old.
  4. TSTP... Thanks for your submission. If you've followed the thread, you probably know that I circumvented the procedures for holding a contest. So, I'm not sure if this contest will be allowed to continue. As I mentioned in my previous post, I am waiting for the Competition Counsel's decision on this matter. So stay tuned.
  5. Thank you. I appreciate you reaching out. Well, I don't know what went on here that some have their panties in a bunch. Yes, I unwittingly broke the rules. I would have gladly followed the guidelines, if I knew they existed. But Golden One pointed me in the right direction. So I think I'm waiting on someone's permission to continue this contest. Hopefully, the sailing will get a little smoother.
  6. Slapshot... Thank you for taking the time to help me understand. As I am new here, I was not aware that previous contests had gone bad. Had I known the rules (which I still can't find), and the sad history of contests here, I would not have even attempted to do this. Believe me, I'm not gonna have a fit if I can't sponsor a contest. If it rubs everyone that raw, I'll move on. I just thought it would be fun to do. And seeing as how I was funding it and not asking for anything, what harm could it possibly cause? But if you feel that it's not in the best interests of the forum, I will understand. It's the 4th thread pinned at the top of this forum. http://boards.sports...tition-council/ Honestly it's pinned there so long, not sure if the users are active here anymore. Golden... Thanks for pointing that out to me. Much appreciated. I was not aware that the rules governing contests existed in this thread. That thread opened & closed 7 years ago. It's sketchy at best, and located in an area that literally no one would think to look. "The CCSLC Competition Council" sounds like it pertains to a list of people, with titles. I realize that everyone here has lives and more pressing matters to tend to. But would it be possible to have a formal set of rules constituted in the near future, so that new members don't make the same mistake as I did? Just want to spare the noobs, like myself, the unnecessary aggravation of having to find out for themselves.
  7. Slapshot... Thank you for taking the time to help me understand. As I am new here, I was not aware that previous contests had gone bad. Had I known the rules (which I still can't find), and the sad history of contests here, I would not have even attempted to do this. Believe me, I'm not gonna have a fit if I can't sponsor a contest. If it rubs everyone that raw, I'll move on. I just thought it would be fun to do. And seeing as how I was funding it and not asking for anything, what harm could it possibly cause? But if you feel that it's not in the best interests of the forum, I will understand.
  8. I appreciate your honesty. In my first post, I pointed out that I was new to this myself. The last thing I wanted was for this to appear rigged. But then again, why would I worry about that? After all, I'm supplying the prize. You came up with a good idea, and I was prepared to follow through. I had no problem with that. Trust me, I would have gone along with just about any intelligent suggestion. I accept constructive criticism. I'm not the least bit upset because I think I can't do something here. Not by any means. What really chaps my a$$ is the ignorant, jaded, self-entitled attitudes, that most times, infects a forum. Especially this one. I had been a lurker here for a long time. Perhaps I was lucky enough, back then, to not come across that kind of behavior while reading through the threads. I was under the impression that this forum was different and that I would do well here. Wow! Was I wrong. Common courtesy is like kryptonite in this neck of the woods. Thanks again for clearing that up.
  9. I need to understand. If there are rules, can you point them out to me? I actually looked around the faq's & and other site info. I'm not seeing them. I didn't choose to circumvent the forum's policy on contests. It happened because the rules weren't, as far as I can tell, in plain sight. And if I've violated the rules, then why was my thread moved, but not deleted? The moderator, who moved my thread, made no mention of any set of rules, nor did he imply that my thread was in violation of the rules. Why was I not informed that I was breaking them? According to you, I've broken rules (which you don't even know what they are). However, the thread is still open, and I haven't received a single warning. So then, are there rules governing this, or were you just feeling the need to pee in my cornflakes with that smarta$$ remark? I agreed with "pretentious" because you're comment was ignorant and undeserved. If you had said something like say... "please read the rules regarding contests", this nonsense could have been avoided. I had asked what you meant by that remark, but you chose to ignore me. Treating people with a little common courtesy goes a long way.
  10. Hi Cole. Yeah.... Never saw that coming. "Pretentious" is an understatement. All I was interested in doing was having some fun. I thought having a prize might attract some attention. The only attention I got was a couple of drive-by's, with attitude. You are correct, too. I had nothing but the best of intentions. Oh well. Thanks for stopping by.
  11. Wasn't the Competition Council established to stop something like this from occurring? I know it hasn't been active for years, well before I was on... (Why is that still pinned?). Aside from the whole contest council thing (like I said, don't know the whole story, but from what I've gathered, contests used to get abused a lot) this site has had some issues with trolls in the past few years. It's pretty much gotten to the point where nobody trusts anybody who is even remotely new. Give it time. I don't get it, Lafarge. With what do I need to be trusted? Am I supposed to hit the "post" button 9,000 times before I'm taken seriously, or shown some common courtesy? I'm finding out really quick that this forum isn't any different from any other. Oh wait! I got it! I'm making the mistake of trying to run a legitimate contest, in opposition to this popularity contest. What, are some posters worried that they might get screwed out of a couple decals? If I was asking for an entry fee, I could understand. This is insults my intelligence. I understand that respect is earned. But common courtesy costs nothing.
  12. The rules are at the top, in the first post. What is the rest of your post supposed to mean? Spell it out for me. He means you should probably wait more than half a month to start a contest. Wow. I can't even give something away with out someone making a snide remark. Is that really how it works here? Have I breached some form of forum ediquette? My post count not high enough? Nobody likes me? I'm a noob? I am not a professional contest holder. None the less, I started a contest, offered a prize, and this is how it gets received? Have I just been greeted by the Contest Police Department? This correlation between a member's join date and the lack of common courtesy received is really getting old. Thanks for chiming in, but I think I'd prefer McCall to respond. Why would I wait half a month to do anything here?
  13. The rules are at the top, in the first post. What is the rest of your post supposed to mean? Spell it out for me.
  14. I realize that I couldn't possibly win, so I put in an entry just to get the ball rolling. I also wanted this contest to be fair and out in the open. Submitting designs to me might have some members wondering if I'm rigging this. I think the members should see everything & vote on a winner. No, you need to have people submit their entries to you, and then post them in a photobucket album or something like that. Then that way people can vote. I realize this. However, we're only doing the jersey. I plan on separate helmet & pants contests. You need to have the whole uniform in a contest. It is completely pointless to do pants and helmet contests. Sorry if I'm sounding like an @$$hole, but I'm just trying to help. Please, don't take this the wrong way... While I appreciate your suggestions, the contest is for a jersey. Nothing more. If you feel that strongly about having it your way, then you might consider running your own contest and donating the prize. "Pointless" is "your" point of view. If you don't approve, don't participate. Your first suggestion is a good idea. I'll create an album for all to see. When the contest ends, the vote will begin.
  15. Folks... I'm pretty much winging this contest. As your suggestions come, I can adjust. Please bear with me.