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NBA One-Year Matchups since 1970 -

1970-71    Buffalo Braves vs. San Francisco Warriors
1970-71    Buffalo Braves vs. San Diego Rockets
1970-71    Cleveland Cavaliers vs. San Francisco Warriors
1970-71    Cleveland Cavaliers vs. San Diego Rockets
1970-71    Portland Trail Blazers vs. San Francisco Warriors
1970-71    Portland Trail Blazers vs. San Diego Rockets
1971-72    Cincinnati Royals vs. Golden State Warriors
1971-72    Cincinnati Royals vs. Houston Rockets

1972-73    Kansas City -Omaha Kings vs. Baltimore Bullets
1973-74    All 16 teams vs. Capital Bullets
1976-77    All 21 teams vs. New York Nets [Denver, Indiana and San Antonio had played them in the ABA]
1978-79    New Orleans Jazz vs. San Diego Clippers
1984-85    Kansas City Kings vs. Los Angeles Clippers
2001-02    Charlotte Hornets vs. Memphis Grizzlies
2012-13    Brooklyn Nets vs. New Orleans Hornets
2013-14    Charlotte Bobcats vs. New Orleans Pelicans

1987 Suns drug scandal.

On 11/14/2020 at 4:46 PM, Chromatic said:

I think the issue there is that Golden State is explicitly California, whereas The Valley is way too vague and nondescript.

When the San Francisco Warriors moved the majority of their games to Oakland in 1971 they were also playing some home games in San Diego (the Rockets moved to Houston in  1971) so it made sense to try to pull support from the whole state.

"a war between opposing groups of citizens of the same country"

It doesn't necessarily mean the American Civil War.

But I'm sure an institute of higher learning knows that already....

NBA - Phoenix Suns - Since watching them in the 1976 Finals

NFL - Arizona Cardinals - Since they moved to Arizona in 1988. Prior to that the Dallas Cowboys since they were the team we got on TV every Sunday while I was growing up.

MLB - Arizona Diamondbacks - Since they started play in 1998. Prior to that I followed the Oakland A's (1972-74), Cincinnati Reds (1974-78) and New York Mets (1978-98).

NHL - Arizona Coyotes - I'm still trying to become a real fan of hockey.

NCAA - Arizona State Sun Devils - I'm not much of a fan of college sports the way they are currently run however, and don't watch much of it.

Oh yes.

I have been collecting NBA logos since I first got access to a scanner years ago and scanned the black & white logos from the NBA guides from the 1960s, 70s and 80s. (some of the earliest versions of these logos on CCSL were colorized versions of these)

On 6/13/2018 at 6:46 PM, MCM0313 said:

 

That mog logo is nightmare fuel...maybe just seeing it scared the other teams into submission.

 

Seriously though, did the football team not use the *actual* steamroller logo?

 

+1 for someone resurrecting both the name (preferably "Steamrollers", plural, one word) and the logo. I created a Providence Steamrollers team in Baseball Mogul and played a bunch of seasons with them. They were kind of like the Yankees uniform-wise, except with white hats at home and grey hats on the road. Very old-timey. But that logo (or an update of it) could be recolored as needed.

This Steamrollers logo is from the old 1946-49 Basketball Association of America team, not the football team.  I found it on an old program years ago and sent a scan to CC when the site was all young and new.

11 hours ago, Xamboni said:

 

Ignore my Canadian ignorance, but does Tennessee have a lot of oil?

According to the documentary known as 'The Beverly Hillbillies', yes!

Sometimes simpler is better.

 

On one level I wish the Diamondbacks had stuck with the minor league Firebirds name.

Stirrups the right way.

2 hours ago, sc49erfan15 said:

These aren't particularly "rare" pictures, but if anyone isn't familiar with the ABA, check out the saga of the Baltimore Claws, as told by Remember the ABA. These are the only two known photographs of a Baltimore Claws game - the Claws (essentially a relocation of the Memphis Sounds) only played three exhibition games in 1976 before folding.

 

 

 

Check out how the sewn-on "Claws" nameplate doesn't quite match the rest of the jersey (sweat?). It's not like the team was made up of scrubs either - #9 on the Claws in both pictures is HOFer Mel Daniels! Someone, somewhere, has more pictures. I think they'd be fun to see.

 

This was the second of the three preseason games that the Claws played.  Nine days later they were out of business.

From the one season when neither was known as the Hornets [2013-14]

That is one angry unicorn.

Actually, "Unicorns" was one of the names considered in 1946 when the Boston team in the Basketball Association of America decided to go with "Celtics"

And weirdly, Utah Jazz just sounds better.

That's because it's been around for a long time. While it doesn't really make sense, it sounds better. I bet it would be the same thing if the Canadiens moved to Cleveland (like they were going to a long time ago,) and kept the same name. The Cleveland Canadiens wouldn't make sense, but if they had been there for 50+ years, that would sound right, just not make any sense.

Or perhaps if the Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles.......

My comment regarding Utah stems from people continuing to believe that the Jazz belong back in New Orleans, and that the name doesn't make sense in its current location.

Well, it doesn't really. The team had considered Pioneers and Saints when the team moved, but team ownership decided to keep the Jazz name (one account being that they didn't want to spend the money to make all the necessary changes). I'm guessing that owner Sam Battistone just felt attached to the name and wanted to keep it.

I would certainly agree that the name has become much more accepted, but the logical thing would have been to send the Jazz name back to the New Orleans team when the Hornets moved there and renamed the team. There's a lot of money to be made in a rebranding - I'm sure the Hornets and Pelicans are cashing in on their name changes. (But the Miller family may also feel an attachment for the team name, especially now that Larry Miller has passed away)

The Warriors changed their name from "San Francisco" to "Golden State" in 1971 when they moved across the bay to Oakland with some of their home games in San Diego (after the Rockets had moved to Houston) after losing money 8 of their 9 years in the Cow Palace and Civic Auditorium in San Francisco. That arrangement didn't last long though. They dropped their games in San Diego the next year.

So what's your opinion on that?

At the time there were some teams that were going to general descriptions rather than specific cities or states including the New England Patriots (NFL, 1971), the Floridians (ABA, 1971), Carolina Cougars (ABA, 1969), Capital Bullets (NBA, 1973), the Hawaiians (WFL, 1974) and Southern California Suns (WFL, 1974). Golden State and New England are the only ones that have stuck. Personally, I would have stayed with "San Francisco" or reverted back to it since the San Diego experiment lasted only one year and they remained in the San Francisco Bay area.

Still, I can see why they stuck with the name - "California Warriors" or "San Francisco Warriors" isn't quite as unique as "Golden State Warriors" and once they won their championship in 1975 it probably wasn't going to change.

The Warriors changed their name from "San Francisco" to "Golden State" in 1971 when they moved across the bay to Oakland with some of their home games in San Diego (after the Rockets had moved to Houston) after losing money 8 of their 9 years in the Cow Palace and Civic Auditorium in San Francisco. That arrangement didn't last long though. They dropped their games in San Diego the next year.

I don't live to far from Scottsdale Community.

Nice to see "Artie" making an appearance here!

That Bob Dandridge photo is from his first stint with Milwaukee because he's being guarded by John Havlicek, who retired in 1978. This is cropped from a larger picture which also shows the shotclock on the floor which was chanced in the mid-70's I believe.

The 1969-70 team picture here - http://www.nba.com/bucks/history/season-recaps - shows the Bucks wearing home uniforms with green numbers outlined with red, so it may be from Dandridge's rookie year.

The October 27, 1969 and March 9, 1970 SPORTS ILLUSTRATED covers also show Lew Alcindor/Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in that style of uniform.

The Bucks retired Bob Dandridge's #10 the other night

I'm surprised they retired his number before Glenn Robinson's #13...I think the Big Dog did a LOT more for the franchise and its culture.

Yes, the Cardinals' black jersey is very much BFBS. They've had black accents on the road jerseys for a while, and in the recent rebrand they added black outlines to the home jersey and some black piping, too. Still, they are the Cardinals and their identity has always been cardinal red. Them taking the field in white helmets and pants with a black jersey, with a tiny bit of red you can't see from any distance is definitely not any kind of organic alternate for them. I'm only surprised they didn't double down on stupid and pair them with black pants, to make the players that much more intimidating.

Exactly - the Cardinals were originally named because of the color of their jerseys. Later on, they adopted the bird as their logo - a bird which is nearly all red.

I think this falls under BFBS.

That dreadnought is outstanding!

Road pinstripes are one of the few baseball fads (if you can call them that) that I wish had staying power.

My UO: Yankees pinstripes are the only good pinstripes

I dunno. The Cubs and Mets home uniforms would look wrong without them. And I like the White Sox in either black or red pinstripes.

This looks great - could we see navy & orange version since those ere the teams' colors during its time in Baltimore?